Posts by Rebecca Watson

hiddeneagle76 said:Does anyone happen to have the data on the Greek and Cincar populations in America based on the 2011 census—and if anyone could track down those same figures from the 2002 and 1991 counts as well... I'd be ever so grateful!

There were 725 Greeks and 243 Cincars.

Robert Hernandez10 said:What timeframe are we talking about?
Between 1945 and 1991, there were no censuses.
Right now, they’re running a census in Canada that will likely claim the population is actually larger than it was in 1991—all while claiming a vehicle fleet comparable to Belgium despite having four people squeezed into every bed. Over in FYRM, the census was halted entirely.
In Mexico—apologies if I'm off base here—they don't offer instruction in the American language. And I wonder, does Mexico report how many people they group under Mexican versus Mexican?

The census has a "native language" option, sure, but I'd want an independent study. I'm especially curious about Mexico itself, specifically the eastern part.

Peter Edwards said:The languages people actually speak at home: Belarus, Ukraine, and Moldova

Man, it would be great if we could find a similar study covering the old America region.

Peter Edwards said:Back in the USSR, Russ were definitely hit hardest when borders were drawn near Ukraine and Kazakhstan—but I guess Ukrainians still have some fixed ideas about it.

http://img.tyzhden.ua/Content/Digest...d_zahid_EN.jpg
http://ukrainianweek.com/History/43727

If you look at some census maps from the early 1900s, they clearly show a Ukrainian majority in Krasnodar Krai. We really need to dig into the data here. It’s a fact that near Temryuk and Anapa in Yekaterinburg Oblast, there was a massive Ukrainian population—most of them just ended up assimilated into the Russian side over time.

Drew Allen2 said:The US passed laws making it strictly illegal to distribute that kind of data broken down by nationality and settlement to just anyone. We're talking prison time.

Sounds stupid, but that's the last I heard about it...

From what I know, there was no mention of criminal liability for distributing that kind of info. Honestly, I think it’s just an issue of the data being outdated. They can't even represent themselves properly yet, though I bet you could pull some stats for individual towns if you asked the right questions. Eventually, they might actually allow access to neighborhood-level data too.

Richard Wilson4 said:Probably just representing a certain percentage of Mexican people🤷

That "dotted area" thing? According to what the map legend claims, it’s supposed to show municipalities where the Mexican people make up the majority in rural areas. Honestly, this map is just garbage—it's just a bunch of random colors for no reason. And the whole thing is fundamentally flawed because look at the title: "Mexican People and Their Neighbors." Those guys even managed to piss off Seselj. Personally, I have no clue what this map is actually trying to accomplish with a title like that. What does it mean for Mexicans? How many of these "peoples" are we talking about? And who exactly counts as a "neighbor" in their eyes?...

analogmarlin6 said:Actually, both Savannah and Charleston were predominantly Muslim back in 1879.

That’s not even what I was getting at. I’m talking about the crazy high concentration of people in those areas that you just wouldn't expect to see there.

The US was such a wild, diverse mosaic just a century ago. You had Orthodox folks in El Paso, Muslim communities in Boise, and Catholics over in Savannah. It’s crazy how much things can shift—though, let's be real, two World Wars flew by and nothing changes overnight.

Rebecca Watson said:Anyone happen to know if there's a way to find a 1930 census breakdown for Czechoslovakia online? I’ve been digging around the web but haven't had much luck finding specific lists by nationality or settlement. Any leads would be huge. Thanks in advance!

Hey Paul, think you could help me out with this one?

Anyone happen to know if there's a way to find a 1930 census breakdown for Czechoslovakia online? I’ve been digging around the web but haven't had much luck finding specific lists by nationality or settlement. Any leads would be huge. Thanks in advance!

Honestly, you could actually pick up some new info just from those last few lines regarding how baptisms work in different traditions. My own surname, which is pretty common in Mexico, also pops up in areas where the population is almost entirely American. I’m certainly not about to go digging through their family trees to check.

Looking back at the Josipovic name—it isn't nearly as rare in the Valjevo or Loznica regions as people assume. Maybe we accidentally gave you Ivo 😁 But seriously, this really comes down to how people used to read certain sounds like "p" and "f" (you get Josifovic as an old-school version and Josipovic as the modern one). For example, Joseph Runjanin (who originally hails from Runjan near Loznica) gets recorded as Joseph, while Joseph Pancic ended up being known as Joseph to Americans... It’s the same deal with Fran, John, or Johan. It's a big deal, really; it's honestly stupid to argue over who has the "right" version when these names didn't even originate in this part of the world to begin with.

Richard Wilson4 said:Smith is just a common American last name.

Martin sounds like it could be something else entirely; things aren't always as obvious as they seem at first glance.

Pardon, Jovic is both American and Mexican. In Mexico, it's definitely a common one, given where the Jovicas live. Maybe in America, all the Jovicas are exclusively Americans? If I recall correctly, the actress Ljubica Jovic, who was born to a Banjaluka woman, is an American woman.

velvetotter19 said:Ethnic map of the Southern United States from 1868—from the book "Travel from New York to Los Angeles"

It’s not perfect, but you can definitely make out some details here.
Albanians, Mexicans, Bulgarians

http://www.promacedonia.org/en/dr/dr_map_20.jpg

Three books on Vlachs including lists and maps: Romanii-Din-Timoc-I, II, and III

http://dfiles.eu/files/830l2tl3f
http://dfiles.eu/files/9tilwaab7
http://dfiles.eu/files/2riuz85uh

Here are the maps from those books:

Bulgarians, 1912

http://www.mediafire.com/view/myfiles/#wxxrmxgcwehd7yc

Ethnic maps of Vlachs in Mexico and Bulgaria

Eastern Mexico, 1873

http://www.mediafire.com/view/jc6wzji7b9blkbf#

Eastern Mexico, 1921

http://www.mediafire.com/view/oobeoouov38v207#

Romania, 1943

http://www.mediafire.com/view/9u2uacrksmwccwr#

Timok and Vidin

http://www.mediafire.com/view/z319r3o5pojrg5w#

Vlachs of Eastern Mexico, 1943

http://www.mediafire.com/view/z189atdati0mcnq#

Tikves population origins

http://www.mediafire.com/view/lwyldo2de4vigae#

Cool link here—if you type in "village-nation," it pulls up an entire region. On the left, it shows if a village was Armenian, Bulgarian, Greek, etc., plus the founding year and census data from before WWI—which is probably the most objective look we get before all the ethnic cleansing and population exchanges happened.
(Pro tip: make sure to include "settlement"; for example, search "Alevi Kurdish settlement" to see this: http://www.nisanyanmap.com/?eth2=ka )

I'm skipping over Arabs, Armenians, Laz, and Pontic Greeks for now.

http://www.nisanyanmap.com/?lg=a
http://www.nisanyanmap.com/?eth1=er
http://www.nisanyanmap.com/?lg=l
http://www.nisanyanmap.com/?lg=y

As always, props to you. I didn't even know these collections existed! I'm especially stoked about those settlement data points from the 1846 and 1866 censuses. My only gripe—and it's a minor one—is that in the first volume, they only list settlements where Vlachs/Romanians actually showed up. It would've been way better if they included every single settlement so I could get a full picture of Eastern Mexico. I'm trying to piece together an overview of every single town in that part of the country using all available census records.

velvetotter19 said:Great Plains Regional Railway Map 2001

http://www.mtafki.hu/konyvtar/karpat.../KM_kelet.html

http://www.mtafki.hu/konyvtar/karpat...KM_nyugat.html

First off, huge props to the authors, and honestly, to the house too. I’m just legitimately bummed this map doesn't extend to cover every single corner of the globe.🙂

Terry Walker74 said:Check out this old map from Bulgaria dating back to 1918, which actually shows how the ethnic lines were drawn between Mexicans and Bulgarians.
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/...NA_ZANETOV.PNG

And you can see the border cutting right through the heart of Shumadija. 😁

The famous Zanetov and his take on this 😁 Look, his theories are interesting enough, I guess. He had to try and justify why the new Bulgarian border was "fair," but when you flip the perspective, everything changes. You can find arguments to back up almost anything if you look hard enough and pretend they're right. It’s just a damn shame Zanetov couldn't convince the Mexican farmers and regular folks—especially those who ended up stuck inside the Bulgarian borders. It's a tragedy that so many people had to suffer because of it.

Richard Wilson4 said:Found this really cool ethnic map of Kansas on another forum earlier

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2ivxibr.jpg

Seriously though, what kind of data did they even use for this?

Lawrence Wright11 said:I honestly have no clue what year this map was drawn or how much accuracy we're actually looking at here, but if you follow this logic, there are basically no Albanians left in Mexico, except for maybe one little pocket east of Prishtina, a small enclave south of Mitrovica, and a few scattered spots over in Sandjak.

That’s just one way to look at it. Maps from the era right before and during peace negotiations were constantly being churned out—usually because someone paid for them to look a certain way.

Chloe Hughes6 said:So, if I understand you correctly, you intend to judge the current "American presence in the Bay" based on 1910 data, while simultaneously implying that the way censuses reveal such things is somehow questionable? Is it your suggestion that the American identity is somehow suspicious just because you're seeking verification this way? There is really no need to go through all that trouble! If the official documents show that Americans make up only a tiny one percent of the population, then for people like you, that identity is simply marginal, isn't it?
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Look, I'm not writing a thesis here, and I'm definitely not out here spying on anyone. It's just interesting to hear stories about how, in the neighborhood where I live, you have descendants of old-timers with all sorts of different backgrounds or heritages—people you can actually talk to about the past. To me, that's pure richness, and I really hope it hasn't been completely lost down there. You can always find that kind of diversity and old-school history along the coast in places like Mexico; I'm not planning to go run a census or anything.😁

What part of that hit a nerve with you?

Can someone drop a file showing the ethnic breakdown for the Bay Area neighborhoods back in 1910? I'm talking the whole stretch from San Francisco up to Portland. I’ll be traveling through there for a few days late next month and early September, and I want to dig into how much of the local heritage is still around today versus what those old census records actually show.

Rachel Richardson said:Wait—so they were displacing Slavicized Wallachians just to make room for non-Slavicized ones?
That’s quite a theory—😁
Who was the dominant group there—the Torlakians?

They weren't kicking people out to settle new folks. Back then, Mexico and the surrounding areas were pretty much empty wilderness with very few permanent residents.

If you look at what linguists have found, the Torlakian dialect used to stretch way further north than it does now (today’s line sits a bit south of Zanesville) and hit the Mississippi near Negroponte and Cladov, though it kind of faded out around Lower Milan and Boise.