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Debates over sex and gender in Philosophy ·
Jose Edwards16 said:If we follow that logic, we could spend all day arguing whether chess is technically a sport or not, since most people define "sport" by physical exertion—you know, things like running.
And if chess counts as a sport, then why isn't dominoes or even Sorry! considered a sport? They're just games, right?

This whole idea—isn't it just a circular argument? It seems like a logical fallacy being peddled by that YouTuber Jamie:
Transwomen are not men who become women - they are women who happened to be trans.

Basically:
Trans women are just women who are trans.

I actually have this little booklet in my library that lists different logical fallacies, and I'm pretty sure that sentence fits the bill perfectly.

Plus, the part about how someone "becomes" trans is still a bit fuzzy, which was sort of my point in my previous post, I guess.☕

Honestly, I think Walsh, who critiques various LGBTQ viewpoints, actually puts together much tighter and more coherent arguments than the ones he's taking aim at.

I’m not quite sure why you’re directing this at me, considering I already mentioned that I don't have much interest in the transgender community.

What I am interested in is why *average* people are making such a massive fuss over a group that accounts for a tiny fraction of one percent of the population. Since you clearly find the subject so fascinating, perhaps you could provide an answer to that question.
Debates over sex and gender in Philosophy ·
Jose Edwards16 said:A few things.

Personally, I don't really have an issue with people expressing their gender however they want—whether they identify as hetero, trans, asexual, or whatever else—or if they just... well, you know. It’s fine by me.
I don't know—maybe she just has this weird, unexplained thing for trees.
I mean, honestly—it’s their call to make. Their choice, really.

I guess it’s a bit of a headache when the LGBTQ community—or at least certain segments of it—starts aggressively pushing specific agendas and blurring all the definitions around. It kind of muddies the waters, if you know what I mean.
It’s kind of like that YouTuber Jamie says—you know, that line where they claim trans women are just women who happen to be trans. It’s a bit of a circular way to put it, I guess.
So, if someone claims that things are laid out strictly as X-Y-Z—and they’re acting like there isn't any other way the world works—I guess it's worth poking at that. It might be worth checking if that logic actually holds up, or if maybe, just maybe, the whole setup looks more like A-B-C.

So, how exactly does it "happen" for someone to become trans? I mean, if you look at it from a certain angle—and I’m just speculating here, obviously—nobody is actually born "trans." People are born either male or female, right? Or so it seems, anyway.
I mean, I guess you could say being trans becomes this sort of defined process—you know, through things like hormone therapy or surgery—but it’s probably more layered than that. It's just one way to look at it, I suppose.

So, I guess the way you look at it—if you want to get technical about it—is that a trans person is someone who feels a clear, definite drive to transition. It’s about that internal intent to change their sex, whether they've already gone through the whole process—you know, the medical stuff like hormone therapy, physical changes, or surgeries—or if they're still in the middle of it. It's really just about aligning their body and how they present themselves with who they actually are inside, their gender identity and that overall sense of self. Or maybe that's just one way to frame it, anyway.

Gender transition is this long, often pretty uncomfortable slog—it’s not exactly a quick fix. To even get started with hormone therapy or any kind of genital surgery, a trans person basically has to be officially diagnosed with "gender identity disorder" first. Then, the psychiatric establishment usually steps in and insists they spend at least a year living as the "opposite sex"—you know, the whole routine of wearing specific clothes and adjusting their gender expression just to prove they're "ready" for surgery. It can be an incredibly awkward process for the individual involved. Honestly, many in the trans community see these requirements as pretty discriminatory, maybe even borderline violent, because the idea that someone should have the authority to dictate how another person expresses their gender feels wrong. I guess the biggest gripe people have with psychiatry here is that it forces these old-school, stereotypical gender binaries back onto people (check out that first image for context). So, you might have a trans woman who's trying to navigate this transition, but to get the green light from her doctor, she's suddenly expected to wear skirts, heels, dye her hair, or put on makeup—even if that doesn't actually fit her vibe or how she wants to present herself as a woman. It's a lot to ask, really.

You’ll also run into these abbreviations like M2F—which basically refers to someone assigned male at birth who identifies as female—and F2M, where someone assigned female at birth is transitioning to male. Though, I guess if you actually talk to people in the community, they don't usually go around labeling themselves with those technical terms. Most just identify as a man or a woman... sort of treating the whole transition thing as just one chapter in their lives rather than a permanent label. Maybe that's just how it works.

So, I was thinking about how gender-affirming medical stuff works—it’s a bit more complicated than most people realize, I guess. Like, many trans people actually skip out on genital surgery because, well, it can mess with sexual pleasure, which is a pretty big deal. Then there's the hormone thing—you're basically on them for life since the body doesn't just spontaneously start producing the "other" sex's hormones on its own. They help develop secondary characteristics, but you can't exactly hit an undo button once they show up. So, trans men might need surgery to remove breasts, while trans women mostly have to deal with voice training—which, let's be honest, is a whole different kind of struggle. Since most folks start transitioning well after puberty—once those physical traits are already set in stone—some things just stay, regardless of what the hormones are doing. We're talking height, broad shoulders, long feet, or a prominent Adam's apple for trans women; or narrow shoulders, wider hips, and shorter feet for trans men. It’s just biology, I suppose. The hormones do change things, though. Trans men usually see more body hair, changes in voice pitch, and sometimes the clitoris grows to a point where it's practically a small penis. For trans women, it’s more about the hips, breasts, and less body hair. And there's this huge misconception about surgery—like, when a trans woman has genital surgery, it isn't some "removal" or castration thing, which is a common myth. It’s more like the tissue is reshaped and tucked, almost like a sock being pulled inside out. On the flip side, hormone therapy can cause a trans man's penis to grow slightly, maybe just a couple of centimeters above that standard medical baseline. Medical tech is always moving forward, and there are definitely alternative solutions popping up, but nothing really stands out as a gold standard yet. It's all very much a work in progress, I guess.

Wiki

So...
Quincy:
A transgender person is someone who identifies as trans and has a clear desire and intention to change their sex...
Quincy:
Hormones are taken permanently because the body can't just produce enough of the hormones characteristic of the "opposite sex" on its own. They work by helping one acquire secondary sex characteristics, though they can't really undo them once they're there.

Link
Also, regarding the etymology of the prefix:

Quincy:
trans-
is a word-forming element meaning "across, beyond, through, on the other side of, to go beyond," coming from the Latin trans (prep.) "across, over, beyond," which was probably originally a present participle of a verb *trare-, meaning "to cross"...

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Trans—to cross over (to change).

However, if you want to know what the LGBTQ community is pushing, you actually have to take an interest in it. Personally, I haven't the slightest clue what their specific talking points are; at most, I might glance at a headline about a parade in New York City and leave it at that.

In the same vein, I don't follow fashion. I have no idea what’s considered "in" right now, nor do I intend to spend my time scrolling through websites or flipping through magazines to see what the trends are for this season.
Debates over sex and gender in Philosophy ·
lonegardener said:By the way, if this topic doesn't actually interest you, what on earth motivates you to post here? I'm asking for a friend... 🤣

I wrote:

Sam Martinez9 said:I find myself wondering why such a tiny percentage of the population—whether it's a few percent or just a fraction of a percent, I haven't bothered to check because frankly, I don't care—attracts so much intense focus from people who are perfectly comfortable with their own gender.

Let me offer another comparison—think about people who, due to some accident, lose both legs and have to rely on wheelchairs. How often do those of us with functioning legs actually dwell on them or obsess over their struggles? Sure, the legislature can pass laws to make mobility easier or help them live more independently, but most of us rarely give it a second thought.

Personally, I find this entire topic rather uninteresting. What I've just noted applies to *average* people who seem strangely preoccupied with transgender individuals.

Beyond that, I don't believe meaningful debates regarding gender should be built upon edge cases.

Fair enough, perhaps I wasn't being clear—what I find interesting are the people who actually find transgender individuals interesting.
Debates over sex and gender in Philosophy ·
lonegardener said:Right, because people who, I don't know, have steel rods where their legs should be (like in

Honestly, I couldn't care less about who gets what kind of recognition. People try to honor Reagan as some sort of founding father figure, but frankly, it doesn't move the needle for me.

And that’s really the core difference between us. I'm indifferent to the whole thing, whereas you seem to be deeply invested in it for reasons I can't quite wrap my head around.
Debates over sex and gender in Philosophy ·
lonegardener said:lonetrucker4, if anything is "boring" today, it isn't "transphobic propaganda"—it's exactly what you're doing right now: the tedious repetition of trans dogmas like "trans women are women."🤣

Seriously, you can't open a single non-right-wing news outlet these days without seeing a whole flock of sheep eagerly chanting the obvious nonsense that "trans women are women."

The reality is quite the opposite: trans women are men (who either dress as women, shave to look like women, or undergo various surgeries and medical treatments to appear female).

There it is again—that "boring" trans-dogmatic way of muddying the waters. Sure, "sex" can ultimately be viewed as two dominant reproductive strategies. And yes, nothing in biology is 100% "binary"; there are always deviations and so-called "errors." That's why genetic conditions exist where it can actually be difficult to categorize an individual as "male" or "female."

But that has almost nothing to do with transgender ideology. That ideology explicitly *denies* any connection to biology or biological phenomena like genetic malformations; instead, it claims that a perfectly healthy man can be a "woman" simply because he "identifies" as such.

I have to ask... when did *you personally* start believing that if a healthy man starts taking female hormones and dressing "like a woman," 😕 — he actually becomes a "woman"? I'm genuinely curious. 😬 How did that logic even work for you? What arguments managed to convince you of such blatant nonsense? lol

I find myself wondering why such a tiny percentage of the population—whether it's a few percent or just a fraction of a percent, I haven't bothered to check because frankly, I don't care—attracts so much intense focus from people who are perfectly comfortable with their own gender.

Let me offer another comparison—think about people who, due to some accident, lose both legs and have to rely on wheelchairs. How often do those of us with functioning legs actually dwell on them or obsess over their struggles? Sure, the legislature can pass laws to make mobility easier or help them live more independently, but most of us rarely give it a second thought.

Personally, I find this entire topic rather uninteresting. What I've just noted applies to *average* people who seem strangely preoccupied with transgender individuals.

Beyond that, I don't believe meaningful debates regarding gender should be built upon edge cases.
Gut Feeling in Philosophy ·
Amy Howard18 said:I find the human element much more fascinating in this discussion... animals don't have this awareness of mortality... they live entirely through their instincts, whereas humans are something else entirely, something elevated above the animal kingdom.

It isn't really about how people define the word (the terminology doesn't matter that much), it's about how they react in different situations—some people will ignore that instinct even if it costs them their lives, while others won't.

It’s actually good that you moved past that fear at such a young age (though being fearless at that stage isn't always an advantage; for instance, a young guy might get a little too "reckless" when trying out new things because he lacks that survival instinct). Pain is unpleasant, sure, but it's also something a person can learn to manage to varying degrees of success.

It’s much simpler to illustrate instinct through animal behavior. With humans, however, instincts are layered under drives, emotions, and reason, making them difficult to isolate. Though, I suppose even higher mammals face similar complexities.

You actually have a perfect example on Wikipedia regarding maternal instinct. For a long time, the prevailing theory was that maternal instinct was innate in both animals and humans; however, research has shown that lionesses raised in captivity often reject their cubs because they never learned how to behave toward them from their own mothers.

The awareness of life's fleeting nature isn't really tied to instinct. Since the topic here is specifically about instincts, it would probably be better to define what we mean by "instinct" first. Otherwise, perhaps the thread title should be changed if the focus isn't strictly on instinctual behavior.

Amy Howard18 said:I find the human element much more fascinating in this discussion... animals don't have this awareness of mortality... they live entirely through their instincts, whereas humans are something else entirely, something elevated above the animal kingdom.

It isn't really about how people define the word (the terminology doesn't matter that much), it's about how they react in different situations—some people will ignore that instinct even if it costs them their lives, while others won't.

It’s actually good that you moved past that fear at such a young age (though being fearless at that stage isn't always an advantage; for instance, a young guy might get a little too "reckless" when trying out new things because he lacks that survival instinct). Pain is unpleasant, sure, but it's also something a person can learn to manage to varying degrees of success.

That’s a separate issue. A human being isn't composed of just one single instinct—like survival—but also various other drives, followed by emotions, and eventually reason. We make decisions using all these biological functions simultaneously. Sometimes one dominates, sometimes another, and sometimes it's a combination of several... for instance, choosing a college major is typically a rational decision (even if emotions and drives are lurking in the background), whereas deciding whom to marry is driven by feeling (though reason plays a role there too...).

The example you mentioned, where someone risks their life to save another, is a case where emotion overrides the basic survival instinct.

At any rate, it's a complex field, and I've written quite a bit already. I'll leave the rest of the discussion to the others on the forum.
Gut Feeling in Philosophy ·
Amy Howard18 said:I don't think so... honestly, maybe what we're talking about isn't even survival instinct at all, but more like a deep-seated fear of nonexistence—of death itself. I mean, how else can you explain why people so often sacrifice their lives for others in extreme situations? If it were just a raw, biological instinct, wouldn't that drive strictly forbid such a selfless act? It would be purely self-serving by definition.
Plus, if it were just a simple instinct, it would be most effective in those scenarios you mentioned above—situations where we aren't even aware of the danger yet. That's when an instinct should kick in to anticipate a threat. But it seems like this "instinct" only truly activates when we are fully conscious of the danger ahead of us... which makes me think it's actually a type of fear acting as an instinct.
But hey, even that fear can be overcome... if you come to terms with the fact that life is inherently fleeting.

The simplest way to look at how instinct works is through reflex actions (those involuntary, unconscious, automatic movements). You might be sitting there reading a book, and suddenly you swat at your hand without even realizing why. Then the realization hits: ah... a mosquito bit me; I felt the sting, so I reacted instinctively to kill it.

So, are reflex movements conscious? No. However, they are triggered by an external stimulus—the mosquito bite. Instinct isn't really a tool for predicting future events; you predict events using your intellect and your past experiences.

Instinctive reactions are genetically hardwired and, aside from reacting to environmental stimuli, they trigger at specific stages of a living being's development. A good example would be migratory birds that begin building nests once they reach a certain age and a specific season arrives.

Amy Howard18 said:I don't think so... honestly, maybe what we're talking about isn't even survival instinct at all, but more like a deep-seated fear of nonexistence—of death itself. I mean, how else can you explain why people so often sacrifice their lives for others in extreme situations? If it were just a raw, biological instinct, wouldn't that drive strictly forbid such a selfless act? It would be purely self-serving by definition.
Plus, if it were just a simple instinct, it would be most effective in those scenarios you mentioned above—situations where we aren't even aware of the danger yet. That's when an instinct should kick in to anticipate a threat. But it seems like this "instinct" only truly activates when we are fully conscious of the danger ahead of us... which makes me think it's actually a type of fear acting as an instinct.
But hey, even that fear can be overcome... if you come to terms with the fact that life is inherently fleeting.

Yes, that's possible. As I've noted before, much of this confusion stems from the fact that people attach different meanings to the word "instinct."

Fear is something else entirely; fear is an emotion. The triggers for fear can vary wildly, ranging from very real threats to completely irrational ones. However, the thing about fear—much like any other emotion—is that humans have the capacity to manage it.

As for the fear of death, I've moved past it entirely. And I'm certainly not alone in that; I've heard the same from many of my peers. What remains is the fear of the process of dying—which we all share, naturally. We want a quick, painless end, not a long, agonizing one. But that isn't a fear of death; it's a fear of pain.

Harold Doyle3 said:Is immortality even considered a good thing?
What about euthanasia?
It seems like everything boils down to pure hedonism—chasing pleasure—which explains why people cling to the hope of some eternal, blissful (read: hedonistic) afterlife.
Actually, the survival instinct makes sense from a philosophical standpoint too. Without it, there would be no philosophy, no metaphysics, no struggle, and certainly no drive toward virtue or goodness.
(And if it didn't exist, honestly, nobody would even notice)

We’ve essentially wiped out all our natural predators—well, except for ourselves, I suppose—and we live in such incredibly secure environments now that it’s entirely possible our survival instincts might eventually just fade away. Yet, even then, we’ll likely still be preoccupied with philosophy. In my view, the pursuit of philosophy and metaphysics remains perfectly viable, even once the primal urge to stay alive has been sidelined.
Gut Feeling in Philosophy ·
Amy Howard18 said:What I’m talking about is the philosophical side of having a survival instinct that ultimately ends in failure, simply because everyone dies in the end.

So, you're saying this survival instinct exists solely to serve an individual who—despite having that very instinct—is still destined to die anyway!?

Are you suggesting that the survival instinct alone should be enough to keep an organism from dying? It seems a bit optimistic. What happens if a boulder falls on them? Or take the people of Pompeii—they were lost to a volcanic eruption; how exactly was their instinct for self-preservation supposed to save them then?
Gut Feeling in Philosophy ·
Amy Howard18 said:Look, I don't have anything against instincts themselves... but the person who started this thread pointed out the paradox of their existence when you consider how fleeting life is. Even though instincts are undeniably real, life still ends... isn't that interesting?
There's really no need to explain the purpose of individual instincts; I think everyone pretty much knows that, and it's not really what this discussion is about.
To me, looking at the philosophical side of instincts in the context of mortality is a much more valid way to address what the OP was actually getting at... those basic biological explanations for instincts and whatnot aren't quite hitting the mark here.

But there isn't really a paradox there.

I see no paradox in death: organisms die from old age, and the survival instinct doesn't act against aging. Or they die by being preyed upon. In that case, the instinct functioned, but the organism simply wasn't fast enough, skilled enough, or agile enough... to evade death. Or they succumb to disease, and the survival instinct offers little defense against a pathogen.

Amy Howard18 said:Look, I don't have anything against instincts themselves... but the person who started this thread pointed out the paradox of their existence when you consider how fleeting life is. Even though instincts are undeniably real, life still ends... isn't that interesting?
There's really no need to explain the purpose of individual instincts; I think everyone pretty much knows that, and it's not really what this discussion is about.
To me, looking at the philosophical side of instincts in the context of mortality is a much more valid way to address what the OP was actually getting at... those basic biological explanations for instincts and whatnot aren't quite hitting the mark here.

Philosophy must reflect reality if it intends to speak about life.

If we understand the purpose of instincts, the paradox vanishes.
Gut Feeling in Philosophy ·
Amy Howard18 said:Sure, I get that, but does any of it actually make sense if there's absolutely nothing waiting on the other side? Especially when you consider all those bizarrely irrational survival instincts that the OP pointed out so beautifully?

I find it makes perfect sense. I think ruggedraven36 put it best:
ruggedraven36 said:Look, every story—from a Hollywood blockbuster to the mess of our own lives—has a beginning and an end. That doesn't make the story meaningless just because it finishes. It’s the middle part—the aimless drifting in between—that usually makes the whole thing feel pointless.

Regarding instincts, their utility lies in facilitating our existence while we are here—securing energy, evading threats, ensuring reproduction. It is all geared toward sustaining life for as long as life itself persists.

Instincts exist to help us live and survive, but they weren't designed to grant us immortality.

In fact, death is a fundamental necessity for life to function at all.

Just try to imagine a world where nothing that has ever been born has ever died. What would that look like? Would life even be possible under those conditions?
Gut Feeling in Philosophy ·
Amy Howard18 said:I hear you, but I'm talking about the absolute end, not just the conclusion of one specific chapter... I mean the total cessation of consciousness itself. The moment when there is no longer any capacity for reflection or awareness left by the individual who passes away.

I'm not entirely sure I follow your train of thought here. Death is the complete termination of the organism; death is the cessation of the body, the consciousness, and everything else that constitutes an individual.
Gut Feeling in Philosophy ·
ruggedraven36 said:According to Freudian psychoanalytic theory, there's this instinct that works directly against our survival drive—it's called the death instinct.

I suspect Freud missed the mark on this one. It is highly probable that he was actually aiming at something else entirely, because much like many other terms we toss around, "instinct" is a word where people tend to project their own varying definitions onto it.

That’s one issue, but there's another: it's often incredibly difficult to disentangle instinct from raw impulse. And then you have the challenge of separating those impulses and instincts from our other cognitive functions, like reason. We don't operate like a collection of isolated parts; a human being acts as a single, integrated whole. It's quite rare to find someone operating on just one level at a time.

Instinct is essentially what we're born with—that innate programming that shows up even in newborns. In the animal kingdom, you can tell it's instinct because it’s the one thing an animal couldn't have possibly learned from its peers.

There is a subtle but vital distinction between instinct and drive. While we can exert some level of control over our drives—shaping them through willpower or discipline—instinct remains entirely outside our jurisdiction. It is an autonomous force that simply acts upon us.

steelridge58 said:Well, I’m starting to think that isn't actually true, because if that instinct were really as sharp as we claim, how on Earth could we explain the way humans keep making things worse—constantly sabotaging our own survival conditions and threatening the very stability of Earth itself?

Now, look, I can see how that survival instinct kicks in when you're facing immediate, life-or-death danger right in front of you, but when it comes down to actual planning—you know, thinking about the future and building a world where both humanity and the rest of the living world don't just exist, but actually thrive—it feels like we collectively act in total opposition to that very instinct, behaving in ways that are frankly irresponsible and irrational, even though we have both the capacity for reason and the freedom to make choices that would ensure our long-term progress and align perfectly with our basic need to stay alive.

So, why in the world don't we act that way?

The only real guarantee in life is that we won't survive forever.
And that's the only certainty we have—that we are all fading away.

That could easily apply to us as a species if this trend of being reckless with our present and our future continues.

As individuals who are fully aware of our own mortality, I honestly feel like that shouldn't be something that drains our motivation, but rather something that pushes us harder to seize our opportunities, to truly value life, and to cherish the time we have left...

We are essentially puppets to our own biology—driven by instinct, raw impulses, logic, and basic needs. It seems to be a defining flaw of our modern American civilization that we almost always go about satisfying those needs in the most dysfunctional ways possible. Take consumerism, for instance; so many people here attempt to soothe their internal voids through the hollow ritual of retail therapy.

During the height of the pandemic lockdowns, when everything ground to a halt, I remember listening to researchers try to make sense of the psychological shift we were all undergoing. They began arguing that shopping had evolved far beyond a mere errand or a way to grab essentials. According to their analysis, consumerism had transformed into a genuine sensory experience—a small, much-needed indulgence. By forcing us all into isolation, those shutdowns didn't just restrict our movement; they effectively stripped away one of those few remaining outlets for simple, everyday pleasure.

That is exactly where the tragedy of our modern "progressive" consumer culture lies. Buying things ought to be just that—acquiring what we actually need to function. Instead, it’s become nothing more than a cheap psychological trick, a hollow distraction used to soothe the sting of being alone, miserable, disappointed, or just plain angry.

It seems our society has completely lost its way, prioritizing the endless accumulation of material wealth over the actual well-being of people. We’ve built an entire system designed to serve possessions rather than placing human beings and their fundamental interests at the forefront of everything we do.

The new shirt we just picked up is going to give us nothing more than a fleeting moment of satisfaction. By tomorrow, we'll already be back in the market looking for something else. Meanwhile, the retailers are just sitting there rubbing their hands together, dreaming of the profits they'll rake in—enough to buy themselves a flashy new pair of Nikes to celebrate the haul.
Gut Feeling in Philosophy ·
ruggeddriver21 said:At our core, we’ve all got this primal, unstoppable drive to just stay alive.
But if I'm being honest, the only real guarantee we get in this life is that eventually, we won't.
And honestly? There’s a weird kind of comfort in that—knowing that everything is temporary and we're all just passing through.

Is there some kind of catch to Rule 22, or am I just overthinking things again?

From the second we enter this world until the moment we exit it.

It makes me wonder... is this survival instinct actually a glitch in our programming?
Or does it even make sense to have it, considering the end result was already baked into the recipe from the very start?

It isn’t just limited to humans. That primal instinct seems to be woven into the very fabric of animal life—perhaps even all of it—and if you look closely enough, it might just exist within plants as well.

ruggeddriver21 said:At our core, we’ve all got this primal, unstoppable drive to just stay alive.
But if I'm being honest, the only real guarantee we get in this life is that eventually, we won't.
And honestly? There’s a weird kind of comfort in that—knowing that everything is temporary and we're all just passing through.

Is there some kind of catch to Rule 22, or am I just overthinking things again?

From the second we enter this world until the moment we exit it.

It makes me wonder... is this survival instinct actually a glitch in our programming?
Or does it even make sense to have it, considering the end result was already baked into the recipe from the very start?

That is simply what logic dictates.

ruggeddriver21 said:At our core, we’ve all got this primal, unstoppable drive to just stay alive.
But if I'm being honest, the only real guarantee we get in this life is that eventually, we won't.
And honestly? There’s a weird kind of comfort in that—knowing that everything is temporary and we're all just passing through.

Is there some kind of catch to Rule 22, or am I just overthinking things again?

From the second we enter this world until the moment we exit it.

It makes me wonder... is this survival instinct actually a glitch in our programming?
Or does it even make sense to have it, considering the end result was already baked into the recipe from the very start?

It seems humanity eventually turns to religion as a sort of ultimate fix. It’s an attempt by the mind to solve that unsolvable equation—the fear of death—by finding some sense of cosmic order. But I don't think we should conflate the dread of dying with our basic survival instinct. One is a psychological weight, while the other is something much more primal. Interestingly, I've noticed that the fear of death tends to ebb away as people get older. As for the survival instinct? That one might weaken over time too, though I can't say for certain.

ruggeddriver21 said:At our core, we’ve all got this primal, unstoppable drive to just stay alive.
But if I'm being honest, the only real guarantee we get in this life is that eventually, we won't.
And honestly? There’s a weird kind of comfort in that—knowing that everything is temporary and we're all just passing through.

Is there some kind of catch to Rule 22, or am I just overthinking things again?

From the second we enter this world until the moment we exit it.

It makes me wonder... is this survival instinct actually a glitch in our programming?
Or does it even make sense to have it, considering the end result was already baked into the recipe from the very start?

Of course it isn't. Its entire purpose is to ensure that when things go sideways, we can throw every available resource at the problem. It’s about doing whatever it takes to save a life.

When the time finally comes to pass, it comes. There is no sense in fighting the inevitable.
The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1) in War in Ukraine ·
vividtiger72 said:Good grief, even Goebbels didn't have an imagination this wild.

Propaganda is just an inherent part of warfare; there's really no point in wasting your breath fighting it.
The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1) in War in Ukraine ·
Charles Fox said:👍

Ninety percent of people are thinking like five-year-olds, yet we’re all going to feel the sting of this conflict firsthand.
Prices are climbing every single day. People are going to lose their jobs, and who knows what else is coming down the pipeline.
No war has ever yielded anything good. (Except for the profiteers.)

Yes, unfortunately. I find myself agreeing with every word you wrote. At best, we'll be dealing with the financial fallout (which is just what we need after two years of living through a pandemic), welcoming refugees, and there's even the possibility that we might find ourselves as refugees once again.

I recently wrote something regarding the situation with Afghan refugees about how you can never truly know what lies ahead, and how easily we could find ourselves forced to flee too. At the time, I didn't quite grasp just how high the probability was that things would escalate this quickly.
The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1) in War in Ukraine ·
Keith Williams3 said:Sweden and Finland were the ones who made the first move.

It's a child's game. That's exactly how Hitler operated—everyone else was always the aggressor in his eyes.

Regardless, what actually matters is how a mature, responsible individual responds when faced with those threats.
The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1) in War in Ukraine ·
Melissa Ward said:What is Ukraine, really, if not just a rebranded version of the old Soviet State? I mean, look at the facts! The Americans absolutely dismantled the USSR, much like how they tore through America. It’s wild when you think about it. One minute, you have this massive global superpower, and then suddenly, in the 90s, it’s nothing more than a total joke... at least until Putin stepped up to take charge.

Targeting major cities across Europe? Once those first nuclear weapons start falling, there’s absolutely no turning back. It’s over. Period. Everyone knows that. You don't just pull that trigger unless you've been backed into a corner and it's truly your absolute last resort. It's like playing a game of high-stakes poker where you bet everything on one final, desperate hand—once the cards are on the table, the game is done!

In my view, he isn't even planning on a retreat. After all, he already issued threats against Sweden and Finland regarding their potential entry into NATO. I want to emphasize that—these are direct threats made toward sovereign European nations.

So, what do you suppose happens if Sweden and Finland rush headlong into NATO?
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Grace Bennett6 said:The reality is, under full mobilization, the EU only has ten times the manpower of Russia because they have three times the population. This isn't like the last World War where Germany was taking on the entire planet—Germany, the UK, France, Poland, and the rest. 🙂

Putin knows that too. That's exactly why he pulled the trigger on this war.
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analogdriver1 said:Yeah, because that criminal piece of trash Putin and his cronies actually have the nerve to threaten stable European nations—as if that isn't obvious. Honestly, Sweden and Finland should just get into NATO immediately. We really shouldn't be making concessions to thugs like this... remember how that worked out with Hitler?

Which would essentially give Putin an excuse to strike European cities with nuclear weapons. It’s sheer stupidity; NATO and the West have to look out for the rest of Europe and the world too—they can't just drag us all into a third nuclear war.

There needs to be another way to get rid of Putin.
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Keith Williams3 said:The Chechens honestly couldn't care less about the Ukrainians; they have zero empathy, which basically means they're going to be even more brutal than the Russians. If they're actually hitting that front, it's a sign that the main target for the Russian advance is the New Russia region.

The prevailing theory is that Putin's ultimate goal is to restore Russia to its old USSR borders. It’s entirely possible that's the case, especially given his threats toward Sweden and Finland.

In any case, we're looking at a long, grueling war, and frankly, nobody knows how it's all going to wrap up.