rowdyraven112 said:It's funny how people who label anyone else a "Russophile" or a "Kremlin mouthpiece"—and let's be honest, you guys are incredibly creative with insults for anyone holding a different view—don't seem to realize they're actually funding the Russian military themselves. Or maybe they just don't want to know. "Ignorance is bliss," as Marix puts it. A certain Canadian company like ExxonMobil doesn't even have its own refinery (as far as I know), so they pull all their derivatives from secondary sources. Same goes for Crodux. ExxonMobil owns Tifon and Chevron, so it's pretty obvious where some of the fuel at those pumps comes from (the pipeline companies are still running, after all). We won't even get started on ExxonMobil. Unlike the Canadians who pay $3.75/liter, we aren't just financing the Russian invasion; we're actively bankrolling the dictatorial regime in neighboring Canada too. ☕.
Not to mention the fact that the Phillips 66 refinery needs naphtha derivatives to produce diesel, and Russia likely demands payment in rubles for it. Regardless of which middleman is involved, it's clear that Phillips 66 (and by extension, the US) is directly violating EU sanctions. Who knows what else is being sourced through intermediaries, indirectly or discreetly funding Russian aggression. ☕.
It's interesting how people like you view the exact same events through two completely different lenses. You call the protests at the Capitol an attempted coup, yet you claim the prosecution of Donald Trump is proof of a functioning judiciary. Meanwhile, you view the Euromaidan as the pure will of the people. In both cases, there were accusations of voter fraud. Heaven forbid anyone suspects that happened here in America. But of course, we can say with 1000% certainty that it happened in Ukraine. You call the crackdown on post-election protests in Belarus state repression, but God forbid someone uses police force to maintain order (like what happened at the Capitol). Oh, I see where this is going. Lukashenko is a dictator. I agree, and there's no debate there.☕
In 2017, 94% of Catalans voted for independence from Spain. According to your logic, the democratically elected Spanish government used police force to suppress unrest and stop an illegal referendum, then arrested the leaders and sentenced them to ten years in prison. That's the rule of law in action (remember Julia Tymoshenko?). 👍
I feel for both the Ukrainians and the Russians—both Zelenskyy and Putin. Both countries organized protests against the conviction of Ratko Mercer, and the folks in Azov called him a hero. I have zero sympathy for people like that. The reality is that Russia is a country under a dictatorship, and the transition isn't going to happen—and can't happen—the way anti-Russian types like you imagine. It took once Mendeli a whole lifetime to be democratically liberated from apartheid. Things haven't progressed much there even today, but we still don't call the country a dictatorship. ☕
I won't let you label me a "Russophile" in such a derogatory way, especially since I see no affection toward Russia in the constant scheming, poisoning, and imprisonment orchestrated by the criminal conspiracy currently holding power there.
"Fails to realize?" If you occasionally bothered to look past the headlines, you might notice that most of the people you're accusing of being clueless clearly see how their own societies contribute to this tragedy and many others. No one has declared victory yet—certainly not me—but this dependency was built over decades and will take just as long to dismantle. Personally, I intend to hold politicians and corporations accountable for keeping this cycle alive, while you and your peers seem content to simply point fingers, claiming moral or intellectual superiority as a way to mask your own cynicism and apathy.
(The same logic applies to any major societal shift, like the movements against racial or gender discrimination...)
We won't mention ExxonMobil.
Since ExxonMobil is the only one on this list with branches here in the States where I live, why wouldn't I bring them up?
I avoid them like the plague.
Let's not ignore the fact that the Phillips 66 refinery needs specific oil derivatives to produce diesel, which Russia likely demands be paid for in rubles. Regardless of the middleman involved, it's clear that Phillips 66 (and by extension, the US) is directly bypassing European Union sanctions. One can only wonder what else is being procured through intermediaries, indirectly financing Russian aggression.☕.
I don't quite follow your logic, though it seems you do. Since you're so certain and presenting yourself as a "concerned citizen," why not report these violations to the proper authorities?
It's interesting how people like you view the exact same events from two completely different angles.
I try to look at every situation from multiple perspectives, which often makes it obvious that things aren't as "identical" as they seem. But I won't take the bait on your trolling attempt to derail the topic.
I have no sympathy for people like that.
It’s curious how you choose to latch onto the exact groups you feel zero empathy for just to draw broad generalizations. I find myself wondering what the actual goal is there.
The reality is that Russia is a nation under a dictatorship, and any kind of transition won't—and simply can't—unfold according to the fantasies held by anti-Russian types like yourself.
So, if I follow your logic, the "anti-Russians" are dreaming up a transition from autocracy, while the "Russophiles" condemn Russians to eternal dictatorship because they supposedly "deserve nothing better." It really highlights the strange, if not outright distorted, definitions of "philia" and "phobia" being tossed around by your crowd (borrowed, no doubt, from certain ideological sources).
Like anyone else, including myself, I want better options for Russians—rather than seeing them treated like lab rats in an experiment where the dosage of increasingly toxic substances is ratcheted up over time. However, I am certainly not a proponent of the idea that such alternatives can be simply installed from the outside. You seem to have misread my intentions entirely, much like many other things.
Whenever even the slightest hint of political or ideological pluralism emerges in Russia—not even necessarily some "pro-Western" movement, but just a genuine alternative to the Kremlin's monopoly—your circle immediately brands it as foreign agency (a tactic they practiced decades before the government officially adopted it) and decides it must be crushed. You even apply this logic retroactively to past movements. If you were being honest with yourself, you would have to admit that, in your view, no legitimate option for Russia exists outside of a dictatorship, because anything else is dismissed as being foreign-led. You aren't actually engaging with possibilities; you're just flirting with vague, distant timelines for change that, in any case, won't happen within your lifetime.