Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5
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Fine, name just one "successful dictatorship" from the last 200 years of human history. 😉
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Jose Clark2 said:There have certainly been effective dictatorships. Democracy is a relatively recent invention that wouldn't have moved civilization much forward through most of human history. Even in these so-called democracies, elites hold the reins; the idea of democratic choice is largely just a well-crafted farce.
crimsoncyclist71 said:In your view, yes. Plenty of people would disagree with you, and many currently do.
Michael Davis9 said:If I'm following your logic, then the leaders in North Korea come to power through democratic elections held by the people.
At this rate, you'll probably start telling me that sharks bark, too.
In school terms, I'd say: see me after class.
rowdytiger13 said:Nazism is a criminal ideology. Communism isn't inherently criminal. We can debate how impractical or utopian the idea is, but the concept itself isn't evil.
But... in practice, communism has always devolved into a dictatorship that was outright criminal.
It just doesn't work outside of small, self-sustaining communities. I always point to the Israeli kibbutzim as an example—they pulled Israel out of the sand and built the nation, and that spirit of communal living kept them going and defended them, but that way of organizing society has never truly scaled beyond the kibbutz, and for good reason.
The elders in a kibbutz live just like everyone else and have the same resources, regardless of how they lived or what kind of communist dictators were in power.
Unfortunately, equality just isn't part of human nature.
Unlike the kibbutzim, Nazi communes in the US were purely criminal, much like the ideology itself.
rowdyraven112 said:Who told you not a single Russian guard died? The Ukrainian side isn't out there blabbing about their losses either. ☕
Found this video:
So, the "fair" American justice system just sentenced a 21-year-old punk for murdering an old man. I guess they learned directly from Putin and the CIA, since we've seen plenty of scenarios like this in Moscow, right? I'm sure there was a promise involved: "confess and you can go home."☕
That's why I said... we'll count up who cut whose head off once the war is over.
brightheron64 said:That isn't "taking sides" at all; this is war, and honestly, shit happens...
By the way, I’m actually curious to hear what you think away from the chaos of Twitter—how exactly are the Russ supposed to have killed those prisoners? Did they plant a bomb, launch a missile, set them on fire...?
Melissa Rivera5 said:He’s not being as extra as Zakharov or that idiot over at NASA. If you honestly think someone can just drop atomic bombs on Europe and nothing happens—besides some weird fantasy where the EU joins up with Russia—you're forgetting that France and the UK have nukes too. Not to mention China and India definitely wouldn't be happy about that.
Like, let me say it again: using any kind of WMD, not just nukes, would basically be proof that he *lost* the special operation and had zero choice left but to go the WMD route. By his own logic, it would be fratricide because he doesn't even admit Ukrainians exist, claiming they're all just Russians. People make jokes about Biden being a diaper baby, but this guy? He’d just be a total lunatic.
It would also be the ultimate sign that negotiations were *never* actually on the table, because the guy is apparently willing to walk straight into a holocaust just to get his way.
Melissa Rivera5 said:Honestly, nobody is going to buy some story about a "accidental" tactical strike on Kyiv, even if it actually was an accident (which, I guess, would be the easiest excuse to make, because it implies it could have happened anywhere if there wasn't a war going on).
Timothy Williams5 said:... and also:The fairly influential Russian commentator Dmitriyev (who commands over 100k followers on Telegram) is weighing in on why the proposed solutions to counter Ukrainian missile strikes are essentially useless. His core argument is that the "decentralization" required by distributing ammunition runs directly contrary to the very nature of the Russian military and government structure.
You can find the source here.
A few more thoughts regarding the effectiveness of those Ukrainian missile strikes. There is a lot of chatter lately about how to minimize the damage from them. Beyond just beefing up air defenses, people are suggesting things like dispersing ammunition depots, avoiding clustering armored vehicles at a single base, making sure helicopters aren't lined up in neat rows, and generally embracing decentralization across the board. But here is the fundamental issue—you can certainly decentralize, but if you do, you end up with an entirely different kind of force, one that bears no resemblance to a Russian or Soviet-style military. Decentralization isn't just a tactical shift; it fundamentally clashes with the architecture of both the military hierarchy and the state apparatus itself. Furthermore, if you actually distribute ammo into various stockpiles and move vehicles into scattered forest locations, you would logically have to push decision-making authority down to those specific forests and depots. However, for centuries, that power has been meticulously concentrated in a single central point. That concentration is exactly how authority is preserved. To suggest decentralization in this context is to suggest something far more destabilizing than mere military losses.
Nancy Gomez26 said:No, they aren't acting like any other major power. I don't recall the Americans, the Chinese, the French, or the British ever openly threatening the entire planet with nuclear weapons like this. It’s primitive. It doesn't even work; if anything, it creates a massive backlash. The current leadership in the Kremlin is clearly out of its depth in a situation they manufactured themselves. At this point, Russia’s rhetoric is on the level of an Iran that openly threatens to strike Israel once they secure an a-bomb—except Russia is making threats against the whole world. And look at Israel: they neither confirm nor deny having the capability, and they certainly don't want to discuss it, let alone use it as a bargaining chip. That is a far more disciplined policy. I don't remember people making these kinds of threats during the Cold War; there was talk about stockpiles, sure, but everyone understood that pulling the trigger would likely mean the end of everything. It seems like Putin RF made a little bit of progress, only to slam into reverse at full speed.