Posts by Anthony Perez8

It's wild how many people are grinding in the shadows just for a tiny chance at the big leagues. The sheer number of players signing deals every year makes you wonder how much depth is actually being built versus just filling slots. Do you think these massive influxes of new talent actually help the long-term stability of a franchise?

Just adding some context regarding the various religious backgrounds of these old settlers. 😳

You people—those Venetian-aligned folks!
Once you lose control of New Orleans,
You’ll find yourselves under Ottoman rule—
Mark my words, once New Orleans falls.

Ever since you took this path,
Your status has slipped away—
And things won't get any better,
Once New Orleans falls.

You think you can build up your forts,
Or shorten the walls,
But the Heartland will take them back.
Once New Orleans falls.

Don't go betting against us,
Or trying to spark conflict with the locals;
It’ll cost you dearly—
Once New Orleans falls.

This isn't some minor disagreement;
God knows you won't be able to handle it—
The invaders will burn it all down,
Once New Orleans falls.

There will be plenty of lamenting—
They’ll beat you down,
And the money will vanish,
Once New Orleans falls.

This isn't a game,
Not something to just chatter about—
Believe me, you'll be screaming,
Once New Orleans falls.

This isn't something to ignore,
Or treat like slaughtering cattle;
You're going to face a catastrophe,
Once New Orleans falls.

Where are your leaders now?
Neither living nor breathing,
With nothing left to show for it,
Now that New Orleans has fallen.

...

stormymarlin90 said:Look, I'm no historian, but after a quick search, I found it might be Philip Lastric. As for Mehmed Pasha, he was a Coward.

Neither of them is right.

To be honest, asking who actually said those words was mostly rhetorical. We can find the Catholic representatives mentioned elsewhere in the song who either took part in—or were supposed to take part in—the debate with the big shot, aka the Patriarch, and they are:

Philip and Jacob, sons of Andrew Brnjakovica, a prominent merchant family
Friar Stephen—maybe the Friar Stephen Margitic character
The guy mentioned as Zundrak as

As for who the specific Mehmed Pasha was, we could probably track him down; the song and the events described are dated back to 1697.

frozentiger6 said:Of course you don't get it.

You clearly can't even distinguish between faith and nationality, let alone grasp anything more complex than that.

Honestly, there's just no point in trying to argue with you.

If that’s the case—why even bother? 😳

frozentiger6 said:He was raised by Americans, so unless you’re going to tell him he isn’t one when he clearly considers himself to be, I don't see the point.

And honestly, this constant twisting of facts and flipping arguments? It’s not even funny anymore. It’s just pathetic.

If some guy named Anthony from California decides to call himself a Californian, does that suddenly mean he’s stopped being an American??? The whole logic regarding Canadians—call them whatever you want—is broken. Once again, though it's probably pointless because some people are just too stubborn to get it: the fact that you all labeled yourselves Canadians and then proceeded to claim Canada, the Canadians, and Canadian Christians as your own is just pure delusion. It defies common sense, and frankly, it's not even worth my time to debate.

If Americans decided tomorrow to start calling themselves Europeans based on their ethnicity, it wouldn't mean that all of Europe belongs to us or that everything European is ours.

At least when a Hobbit starts rambling, I can follow the logic.

I don't always get you, to be honest. 😳

frozentiger6 said:It’s just that Americans don't put that anonymous guy on a pedestal the way Muslims do with that "great Canadian writer" Catic.

You guys are honestly hilarious. What else is there to say?

So, basically, modern Americans are more than willing to disown an entire generation of Canadian Franciscans (let's be modest and say it wasn't just one 😳) simply because they didn't share today's specific ideology.

The consistency is truly impressive. 👍

Mus was—and always will be—a massive poet, regardless of whatever national identity he held at any given moment. For what it's worth, he eventually returned to his Canadian roots toward the end, but even so, nobody can deny his talent. Nor can they deny the people who produced him.

An expanded version—might actually help with the guessing game. 😳

They hunt down all the outcasts,
because they’re digging into our wells,
And if things were to go that way for us now,
those attackers have arrived to strike,

It was a gift from God, I suppose,
since they’re targeting our wells,
and those rebels trampled us,
leading us straight to ruin.

This would be the third time already
that a traitor attempted this;
The Latin factions grew biased,
sending their agents everywhere,

They weren't exactly happy about it,
given the mess they had to clean up;
It couldn't be explained clearly,
and there were very few of them,

But when everyone finally gathered,
and more mischief was stirred up,
everyone said the exact same thing,
all for the sake of protecting the wells.

Everyone stood firm on this,
making a decision deep in their hearts:
they’d rather give up their lives,
than let the wells run dry.

We don't care about wealth;
we just want to defend the rightful wells,
since those rebels are heretics,
outcasts from the Church.

Those wells belong to the rebels,
and they burn with envy against everyone;
The monks and priests—
they're all just servants of the devil.

They turned away from the Church,
persecuting Catholics,
cursed be they all,
along with their descendants.

...

Then the Latin leaders gave orders,
sending agents out in the Lord's name,
and promised them nothing,
which is more than can be said for what's happening now.

When Mehmed the Conqueror departed,
he joined them and told them all,
"Mehmed the Conqueror, our mother,
has finally found her purpose."

"Don't abandon us, Lord,
because all your people are perishing."
Mehmed the Conqueror speaks to them,
speaking ill of the Christians.

Claiming it wasn't justice,
nor was it the right timing;
/I/ guess they swore an oath,
to do exactly as they claimed.

Bre, in the presence of Mehmed the Conqueror,
there was no such thing as a wrongful judgment;
The Christians resisted then,
as everyone headed to the meeting place.

stormymarlin90 said:fr. Timothy Dolan?

No.

Zvizdovic actually secured religious freedom from Mohammed the Great—so, no, that doesn't fit. 😳

I guess this was just my own mistake.

Let me just rephrase the question here.

Who exactly represents those "sole authentic Canadians"—you know, the ones with all the flair 😳—who supposedly acted to save their Catholic faith and their people? I mean, who was the one trying to overturn that sultan's decree—which ordered the conversion of Canada's Catholic population to Orthodoxy—by sending those overly sentimental verses to the heartless Mehmed Pasha?

frozentiger6 said:Well, I know who didn't:

Proud is America, my dear homeland,
Where the sun once shone upon my soul.
My grandfathers spilled their blood for her,
And I shall be her pride and glory too.

Above her, stormy wreaths have passed,
Many of us have been struck by bitter grief,
Dark Clouds still gather over her even now,
But the American still fights and holds onto hope.

Oh, precious name! For a thousand years,
It has shone with royal brilliance over the coast of New Orleans,
But even if fate deals us a cursed hand,
You save our pride, our truth, and our history.

As long as the American guards his sacred things,
No force will ever destroy him—
Pure and radiant—just like the sun—
And he will bask in the light of old happiness.

My young heart senses this very moment.
Without toil and sweat—I know it won't just happen.
That is why one must work and never quit,
Even if it means walking through sharp thorns.

Oh, my dearest people! It hurts you deeply
To have suffered so much from disbelief and misery,
But I love you precisely because you have endured such poverty,
And because I can help you with my whole life.

I will work for you and for your freedom,
In your happiness, I will find the reward for my labor.
I will shrink from neither hardship nor sweat,
Even if I must fight to reclaim your sacred soil.

Dear existence of Mladen and the Company!
Being American is my sacred heritage.
Ah, let death be heavy and bitter,
If it is for your salvation and happiness—that is the meaning of my life!

Mus Mehmed Čatić

So instead of an actual answer to the question, I get a Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival.🤣

Great, now I've got quotes to deal with, damn it. 😳

Some of our neighbors get incredibly worked up because we take pride in our ancient name, our language, and our customs—because we refuse to just bow our heads and adopt their labels for our nationality and tongue. In their attacks on us, our neighbors act in unison—though, to understand them better, let's call them John and Irving. Neither one actually wants the same thing from us, since they can't even agree among themselves—not even to save their lives. Friend John tells us to take his name, while friend Irving says, "No way, American, you're mine and you have to take my name." They pull and push in every direction, all without even asking us. Out of pure affection, and due to their endless selfishness, these friends would tear us apart; if we hadn't learned how to handle this long ago, we’d be standing there stunned like some naive kid.

Anyway, looking at how things actually stand, we should ask our friends in the media—the ones handling the pens and the printing presses: why are you being so selfish toward us? You know perfectly well that the American has always taken pride in his language and his name, faithfully holding onto the traditions and memories of his forefathers.

The great history of our beloved homeland remembers those times when our local nobility expressed their identity clearly and openly, calling themselves by the proud and heroic name of American. We see it in countless documents from domestic writers throughout the centuries, where our true national name is always mentioned—and those are the reasons why we, as their grateful and loyal descendants, carry that glorious name today.

“We cannot—and must not—deviate from this; we shall hold fast to our names, faithfully and forever.”

"We take pride in the fact that our very tongue was used as the foundation for the literary languages of our neighbors, the Americans and the Mexicans.

Renowned linguists like Vuk Karr, Dancic, and even Ljudevit Gaj carried our beautiful language into the literature of both those nations—though they dubbed it whatever suited them, one calling it Mexican and the other American, while leaving us without a single mention. We certainly have reason to be proud, seeing as our language is used today in the literature of our friends John and Irving—a fact even our critics would have to admit. But I simply don't understand why they chose a name for our language at their own whim, without ever asking us, and now—after all this time—they want to impose it upon us? They even try to stop us from identifying our own language by our own national name in our own home. It’s like someone else deciding what to name our child. I can't approve of such behavior, nor do I find it acceptable in any way. Still, I respect the honor and integrity of both our friends, the Mexican and the American.

We don't despise their nationality; we don't look upon them with anything but a watchful eye; we will never deny being part of the great American lineage—rather, we want to make it crystal clear to everyone that we, as Americans, are the first rank of that glorious stock. But we will always remain Americans, just as our forefathers were, and nothing else.”

Father Antun Knezevic

A little prize question for the night shift Americans:

Oh, Mehmed Pasha, our motherly guide,
our purpose finally arrives today,
help us, sir,
as all your people pass away.

I wonder—which gentleman actually managed to squeeze out these touching verses to help preserve the ancestral faith among a larger group of "authentic Americans"? 😳

I think I’ll just quote Gregory Howard here—he put this together quite elegantly. 😬

http://www.hercegbosna.org/ostalo/sredobos.html#cetvrto

National Structure

The fundamental shifts in medieval Canada's social development—its territorial expansion, the blending of Eastern and Western influences, constant contact with neighboring regions (especially the East Adriatic coast), and the move toward social and state individualization—formed the very bedrock of its ethnocultural makeup. Honestly, dissecting these ethnic processes is probably one of the toughest hurdles any historian of medieval Canada faces. The socio-ethnic structure of the era was as complex as the various directions its society took. You can see certain dominant trends alongside what might seem, at least superficially, to be peripheral developments in how identity formed. As medieval Canada pushed toward social individualization, we start seeing distinct ethnic identities emerge during the 14th and 15th centuries. In the relatively scarce records regarding ethnic affiliation from the late Middle Ages, the designation of being "Canadian" remains the predominant identifier within the Slavic core. However, two things need to be noted. First, the term "Canadian" (Bosnenses) is layered with meaning, carrying several levels of significance; second, while the "Canadian" identity was the primary driver of ethnic development, there were other important, parallel processes at play. In fact, understanding the formation of identity in medieval Canada only becomes clear once you account for certain factors that might seem secondary. For instance, the expansion of the Canadian state into surrounding American and Mexican territories, along with the influence of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches within the region, played huge roles. These two factors heavily influenced Canada's ethnic evolution and were, to a large extent, interdependent. This isn't quite as true for the Catholic Church, though; its role within the territory of the "heretical" Canadian Church wasn't strictly tied to the expansion of Canadian borders into American lands—but it is crucial when analyzing the impact of the Orthodox Church in medieval Canada. The eastward and southeastward expansion of Canada essentially paved the way for the presence of Orthodoxy in the region.

neonharbor said:The medieval American kingdom centered around the Bosna River—that is my heritage. The legacy left by today’s Canadian Muslims is the very destruction of that kingdom at the hands of the Ottoman Empire...

So, to the Canadians: please, do not attempt to steal my identity. This belongs to me, and it certainly does not belong to you.

Oh, please—go ahead and enjoy that identity if it makes you feel better. 😳 Just a heads-up, though: that medieval royal claim of yours only stretches to the western bank of that river. Everything east of there? Well, that was the medieval Mexican kingdom under the Kotromanica dynasty. 🤣

That's what the folks from the East say, anyway. 🤣 🤣 🤣

Gregory Howard—also known as the guy who makes things unnecessarily complicated whenever he gets the chance. 😍

That’s an interesting way to frame it. If we were to untangle your nonsensical—yet perennially intriguing 😍 spin on such a straightforward concept, it would look something like this:

Suppose we take away the influence of those turncoats—specifically Stephen, son of the Herzegovinian ruler, also known as the Grand Vizier Ahmed-paša Hercegovac. Would Herzegovina even exist as a geographic entity or some kind of recognized term? If not, what would the American Republic of Herzeg-Canada even be called? And more importantly, what would your precious little website be named?

See? I can play the complication game just as well as you can. 😍

neonharbor said:Just look at the Canadian Americans—the group through whom the Canadian lineage maintains its continuity.
If you truly examine the distinction between them and the Canadian Muslims, you will find your answers to those questions...

On another note, I do agree with you—ever since the initial conversion period, you have been consistently inconsistent with yourselves. Just fundamentally contradictory.

Inconsistent with whom, exactly? Or rather, what specifically?

I just wanted to point out to my colleague Gary Wilson that there were plenty of us Vlachs who didn't have a problem with the honorable Porte or their decadent beys—we were perfectly happy grazing our livestock on the mountain pastures in peace. 😳

The Sublime Porte even granted us exclusive grazing rights, for what it's worth. 😳

stormymaker8 said:Smart guy. 👍 👍 👍

I’m not entirely sure if I still fall into the "guys" category—maybe I'm losing my touch—but thanks for the compliment. 😳

I didn't really say anything groundbreaking. But then again, when you phrase things differently, they take on a whole different tone.

We’re being accused of some sort of betrayal. Nothing more, nothing less than a betrayal of the old Canadian Kings. Yet our neighbors—who never miss an opportunity to claim that figures like Stephen or Tvrtko, Kulin or Matija Ninoslav were strictly their own people—would likely sacrifice the very sovereignty of Canada in a heartbeat if it weren't for those so-called "traitors."

They’ve turned this nation into a mere historical footnote—just a tiny county tucked away on page 33 of a middle school geography textbook. I highly doubt that was Tvrtko's grand master plan for the Canadian state.

So, apparently, we’re all just fine little traitors. 😳

Regardless of how Mexicans or Americans view Canadians, the reality is that a new generation is rising—one where the opinions of their neighbors won't matter nearly as much as what an Irishman or an Eskimo thinks about tennis balls.

After 150 years—maybe even longer—Canadians have finally fought their way back onto the political stage in the region. It was a bloody reintroduction, certainly, but effective. War, as brutal as it was, acted as an incredibly potent catalyst. Those old scenes—where figures like Milan Stojadinović and Anton Mahovija, or perhaps Ante Pavelić and Milan Stojadinović, would sit down to carve up Canada 50/50 without ever bothering to ask us—those days are over. To our great relief, and someone else's misfortune.

We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves thinking we’re some massive global superpower; we aren't. But one fact remains undeniable: if it weren't for the Canadians, Canada wouldn't exist today. Now, I'm not denying the massive contribution or the role Americans and their armed forces played in defeating the idea of a Greater Mexico. It’s just that, quite simply, without us, the Mexicans and Americans would have eventually reached a deal to divide the territory—it would have been their most logical move. Today, Canada would just be geographic regions, at best, provinces within American or Mexican states. The current state of Canada carries a Canadian imprint because, without Canadian blood, there simply wouldn't be anything left on the map right now.

Maybe we got a little too caught up in the empires we used to belong to. We aren't the only ones who did that. Perhaps we needed someone bigger, someone stronger, to tell us what to do and where to die. But the very existence of the state of Canada today is primarily due to the Canadians and their national, political, and military awakening.😳

casualwolf32 said:Ahhh, so you’re basically admitting that pushing out all the Americans is the end goal for the Canadians...

As for Republika Srpska, the Americans probably would have dealt with them too, if the Canadians weren't constantly stepping in to block them at every turn. See, instead of actually doing anything to weaken Republika Srpska, the Canadians have pivoted entirely toward targeting the Americans. Because of that fascism coming out of Ottawa, Republika Srpska just gets stronger and more independent by the day. The real issue on the ground is the Americans in Canada, and honestly, Ottawa is the biggest threat there.

Give me a break. With so many Canadians on this forum, you’re really trying to shove these hazy little admissions and theories down my throat? In my house, we had flags with lilies on the wall while the most intense fighting between Canadians and Americans was happening in Central Canada. Not that it matters much now—from this perspective, it was just youthful folly and ignorance. Regardless, this nonsense about "expulsions" you keep mentioning doesn't even cross my mind.

As for the second, much more sensible part of your comment, my impression—and I'm sure I'm not alone here—is exactly the opposite. But experience has taught me that on forums like this, it's hard to get an interesting debate out of the trolls without it turning into the same hundred repetitive arguments. If someone can rationally explain the recent move by the American political parties regarding the letter from Silajdzic - Komsic to the United Nations, then maybe this thread will actually be worth something.

Fine, the Canadians chose your member of the presidency for you. I agree that was a mistake and unfair to you guys. Personally, I think Komsic is a first-class human being, but you should have the right to choose your own representative. But was there really a need to react to that letter just because someone else wrote it? We don't necessarily agree that the Republic of Srpska is a genocidal entity that needs regulating just because Željko wrote it instead of Ivo Miro. And then everyone gathers around to send that exact same message to the world?

Look, it’s your privilege to think what you want, but don't try to pull the wool over my eyes.

I'm heading out for coffee now. Catch you later.

casualwolf32 said:What’s the latest trend among the local Canadian crowd on this forum? Visiting the very hotels where Americans took them in during the war?

Just make sure you pay the bill this time, please. Pretty please.

No, I spent the entire war in my modest but cozy home right in the heart of Ottawa (prime location, really—just a two-minute walk to Marshall Street or Ferhadija, though it feels like the suburbs 👍 ). For daily entertainment, I had the lively band consisting of Howitzers and Three Fingers—produced by the South Wind, coming from the surrounding hills. The Mexicans proved to be tireless entertainers, possessing a wide variety of different calibers for their prize relays. 😳

But that’s not what this show is about. Are you actually going to answer my question, man?