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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
Kate Cook27 said:Is Belarus getting pulled into this fight too?

http://www.twitter.com/PavelLatushka...Czma2UkN0rAAAA

Our sources report: #Lukashenko agreed to deploy 120K soldiers during November-February. Belarus undertakes to supply 100K mobilized soldiers in addition. Lukashenko is preparing for a full-scale war. The West must issue an ultimatum he cannot refuse.

So—Russian troops moving into Belarus, plus local mobilization on top of that? It sounds like Lukashenko gave the green light, probably during a meeting in Sochi. Are we looking at a new push toward Kyiv?? 😁 Or maybe Kharkiv?

What if NATO just puts 50,000 troops on combat alert in Poland, right on the border with Belarus?
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Kate Cook27 said:I mean, they clearly had no clue what they were starting back in 2014. Did they seriously think they’d be greeted with flower petals? That people wouldn't fight back? They probably figured Zelenskyy and the rest would just pack up and run, too.

Given how much they've had to scramble and change their original plans, it's pretty obvious that was their mindset.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
Kate Cook27 said:But what's the actual reason behind the delay?

He probably figured the Ukrainians wouldn't scale up enough to actually win on the battlefield.
Just another massive miscalculation in a long line of them. Plus, mobilization isn't cheap. You need morale, too. We see the fallout: recruits who just fill out a uniform and carry a rifle, and border crossings that are completely jammed. I guess he at least predicted the chaos, if nothing else.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
analogbear5 said:The mobilization itself is just a desperate move. Whether or not he actually believes it’ll turn the tide—that's irrelevant.

Putin has already lost this war. It’s just a matter of when he finally admits it and how many more people he sends to die in the meantime. I think he knows it too, but he's backed into a corner.
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hollowdriver13 said:Honestly, it's just a lack of vocabulary in the American language. We tend to call everything "coal."

"Coal briquettes" usually refers to industrial coal or lignite briquettes.

"Charcoal briquettes" are those little things you grab at the store for grilling meat.

You're quoting the wrong person. I was just repeating what was said.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
analogbear5 said:Look, if Putin doesn't care about sending hundreds of thousands of his own people to die, he definitely isn't sweating an $11 billion loss.

Lost time is worth way more than that money. But when you're fighting a losing war, your thinking starts getting pretty short-sighted.

What’s actually worth more than that cash is the political leverage you hold over the economies of the strongest nations in the European Union. Plus, the annual revenue from selling gas isn't exactly pocket change either. That $11 billion comes back fast enough...
I read somewhere that Russia actually made more from selling gas this year at higher prices—even with sanctions—than they did last year when prices were lower and there were no sanctions.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
analogbear5 said:Just because Germany was dependent on Russian gas doesn't mean Russia isn't equally reliant on selling that gas to Germany—especially since they've already stopped using it themselves. Just as a reminder, gas exports are pretty much on par with coal briquette exports:

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I don't think anyone's suggesting it’s worth throwing $11 billion down the drain just so Germans can buy coal briquettes from Russians. Nobody is claiming there isn't a direct link between Germany's need for cheap gas and what Russia is exporting.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
hiddeneagle98 said:People throw all sorts of things around, but it's all just speculation at this point. When I see someone cherry-picking evidence to fit their own narrative—and then adding the claim that some former Polish minister, someone like a high-level advisor in D.C., is getting intel on matters that are inherently top secret—well, then it becomes obvious that the guy is just a mouthpiece looking for a paycheck.

Since the pipeline was under 100 bars of pressure (you can clearly see the sea bubbling and gas escaping to the surface), it means it was full, and I highly doubt the Russians were just giving it away for free; I’d assume they were trying to sell it.

Believe whatever you want, but verifiable facts don't care about your theories. NS2 was full of gas, but it was blocked on the German side; it never actually got the green light to operate.

As for NS1, the Russians shut it down claiming their turbines weren't working properly.

Of course. And if the Norwegian pipeline stays intact, then everything will be perfectly clear, right?

No. If that happens, things are still just as murky as before.

Fine, so we’re just going to ignore the statement from a former Polish defense minister because you don't like what he said? Sure. Not quite the level of Ćorić, but okay.
Here is a quote from the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth. How are you going to debunk that? You going to say he’s senile? That he has no idea what he’s talking about? This was reported by Reuters, not CNN.
https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ys-2022-02-07/

hiddeneagle98 said:People throw all sorts of things around, but it's all just speculation at this point. When I see someone cherry-picking evidence to fit their own narrative—and then adding the claim that some former Polish minister, someone like a high-level advisor in D.C., is getting intel on matters that are inherently top secret—well, then it becomes obvious that the guy is just a mouthpiece looking for a paycheck.

Since the pipeline was under 100 bars of pressure (you can clearly see the sea bubbling and gas escaping to the surface), it means it was full, and I highly doubt the Russians were just giving it away for free; I’d assume they were trying to sell it.

Believe whatever you want, but verifiable facts don't care about your theories. NS2 was full of gas, but it was blocked on the German side; it never actually got the green light to operate.

As for NS1, the Russians shut it down claiming their turbines weren't working properly.

Of course. And if the Norwegian pipeline stays intact, then everything will be perfectly clear, right?

No. If that happens, things are still just as murky as before.

Mouthpiece?🤣
I actually thought you were the one with the brainwashed, mouthpiece mentality, but I decided to keep that to myself.

hiddeneagle98 said:People throw all sorts of things around, but it's all just speculation at this point. When I see someone cherry-picking evidence to fit their own narrative—and then adding the claim that some former Polish minister, someone like a high-level advisor in D.C., is getting intel on matters that are inherently top secret—well, then it becomes obvious that the guy is just a mouthpiece looking for a paycheck.

Since the pipeline was under 100 bars of pressure (you can clearly see the sea bubbling and gas escaping to the surface), it means it was full, and I highly doubt the Russians were just giving it away for free; I’d assume they were trying to sell it.

Believe whatever you want, but verifiable facts don't care about your theories. NS2 was full of gas, but it was blocked on the German side; it never actually got the green light to operate.

As for NS1, the Russians shut it down claiming their turbines weren't working properly.

Of course. And if the Norwegian pipeline stays intact, then everything will be perfectly clear, right?

No. If that happens, things are still just as murky as before.

Just because it didn't get clearance doesn't mean gas can't flow through it.

hiddeneagle98 said:People throw all sorts of things around, but it's all just speculation at this point. When I see someone cherry-picking evidence to fit their own narrative—and then adding the claim that some former Polish minister, someone like a high-level advisor in D.C., is getting intel on matters that are inherently top secret—well, then it becomes obvious that the guy is just a mouthpiece looking for a paycheck.

Since the pipeline was under 100 bars of pressure (you can clearly see the sea bubbling and gas escaping to the surface), it means it was full, and I highly doubt the Russians were just giving it away for free; I’d assume they were trying to sell it.

Believe whatever you want, but verifiable facts don't care about your theories. NS2 was full of gas, but it was blocked on the German side; it never actually got the green light to operate.

As for NS1, the Russians shut it down claiming their turbines weren't working properly.

Of course. And if the Norwegian pipeline stays intact, then everything will be perfectly clear, right?

No. If that happens, things are still just as murky as before.

Seems like everything looks shady to you.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:A pipeline likely needs to maintain constant pressure regardless of whether it's actively in use or not. If there’s even a minor leak, keeping the internal pressure higher than the surrounding seawater prevents the ocean from forcing its way inside. Furthermore, maintaining steady pressure limits the system to a single stress cycle. If you subject the material to constant fluctuations—pressure rising and falling repeatedly—you run the risk of metal fatigue. Just because a pipeline is pressurized doesn't mean gas is actually flowing through it.

If the hydrostatic pressure at that depth is roughly 10 bar, they would only need to maintain 11 bar to stop water from leaking through weak joints. But this pipeline was sitting at 100 bar. That gas was screaming toward Germany, and like someone already mentioned, Americans decided enough was enough.
If they had just pressurized it to a certain level and left it, that pressure would have equalized with the sea floor almost immediately. You wouldn't even see gas escaping into the ocean on camera. There was definitely a massive flow...
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
wanderingdriver68 said:I wonder if Nord Stream 2 managed to escape unscathed, or if it’s also been compromised? As far as I can see, there are really just two ways this whole mess plays out, which are:

a) The Russians pulled this off to exert pressure on European Union nations, serving as a sort of secondary threat to force Germany and everyone else into a corner in the dead of winter, essentially coercing them to restart Nord Stream 2 and back away from those sanctions. It feels almost too symbolic, doesn't it, considering how this happened on the exact same day the Norwegian pipeline was opened toward Poland?

b) The Americans were behind it, all to ensure Europeans don't cave when the pressure mounts mid-winter or once gas prices hit levels that are simply impossible to stomach.

I'm leaning toward scenario a), though I certainly wouldn't rule out b).

As if anyone would ever try to run Nord Stream 2 now that it's trashed. Hello? Are you even following the news?

Forget about Nord Stream 2. Gas isn't flowing through that anytime soon. The real question is if it ever will.
So, your theory "a" is completely useless.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
Timothy Williams5 said:Yeah. This is old news. It would be better to just delete it. 🙄

Ugh, we could actually use this. Even the color scheme works for us. 😁
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
hiddeneagle98 said:We can only assume he's making the same educated guesses we all are. If the Americans did pull something like this, there's no way they'd orchestrate it so that some former Polish minister could just broadcast that kind of info to the whole world.

Besides, Russ isn't even selling gas through NS1 anymore, and they never really used NS2 for that either. So, they aren't exactly sitting on that branch, nor do they have any hope of ever sitting on it again. The European side has already written off any investment in NS2 as a total loss.

We'll see what happens next, and that should make it pretty obvious who was playing what game. Honestly, I'm worried the Norwegian pipeline might be the next target.

Look, the guy just knows way more than any of us here. Him talking faster than he can think is a separate issue entirely.
And then there’s the statement from the President. Even if a Pole isn't authorized to speak for the US government, Joe Biden certainly is.

hiddeneagle98 said:We can only assume he's making the same educated guesses we all are. If the Americans did pull something like this, there's no way they'd orchestrate it so that some former Polish minister could just broadcast that kind of info to the whole world.

Besides, Russ isn't even selling gas through NS1 anymore, and they never really used NS2 for that either. So, they aren't exactly sitting on that branch, nor do they have any hope of ever sitting on it again. The European side has already written off any investment in NS2 as a total loss.

We'll see what happens next, and that should make it pretty obvious who was playing what game. Honestly, I'm worried the Norwegian pipeline might be the next target.

The pipeline was under 100 bars of pressure—you can clearly see the sea churning and gas bubbling up to the surface. That means it was full. I highly doubt the Russians were just giving it away for free, so I'm guessing they were selling it.

hiddeneagle98 said:We can only assume he's making the same educated guesses we all are. If the Americans did pull something like this, there's no way they'd orchestrate it so that some former Polish minister could just broadcast that kind of info to the whole world.

Besides, Russ isn't even selling gas through NS1 anymore, and they never really used NS2 for that either. So, they aren't exactly sitting on that branch, nor do they have any hope of ever sitting on it again. The European side has already written off any investment in NS2 as a total loss.

We'll see what happens next, and that should make it pretty obvious who was playing what game. Honestly, I'm worried the Norwegian pipeline might be the next target.

Obviously. If the Norwegian pipeline stays intact, then we'll know exactly what happened. Right?
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
Jessica Peterson2 said:Look at this. They’re deploying 13 or 14 (!) officers just to detain one (!!) protester who was simply holding a solo picket with a sign saying, "Mobilize yourself, you bald idiot."

To reiterate, there are 13 or 14 of them!!!
And I can only assume there are a few more units currently patrolling the streets nearby. 🤦

You can see it on some of those cops' faces. They clearly agree with him, but hey, duty calls.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
cosmicgull52 said:The entire free world is trembling! Journalists are completely lost.

As I have already stated, pure logic dictates that the Americans are behind this. I can only applaud them, especially seeing how these people whine. 👍

From what I gather, Russia uses the NS1 and NS2 pipelines to sell gas to the European Union, and they use that cash to fund the war in Ukraine. No pipeline means no gas sales, which means no money for the war. Why would Russia cut off the very branch they’re sitting on?
If someone were actually going to blow up a pipeline, wouldn't it make more sense to hit the one running from Norway toward Poland? That way, they force the European Union to play ball on everything—from energy prices to how much weaponry gets sent to Ukraine. The fewer alternatives you have, the more you're forced to compromise. Simple math.
For years, the Americans have been telling the European Union—specifically the Germans—that they're too dependent on Russian gas and need to scale back. Now, it looks like the "nice" approach failed, so they're doing it the hard way. You even have that Polish politician publicly thanking the Americans for liberating them from Russian gas. I'm assuming the guy is sane and better informed than everyone on this forum combined. Etc, etc. But sure, let's all just pretend Martians did it instead.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
dustyfalcon122 said:I mean, if you ask me, Americans probably would've just taken out the Turkish pipeline way before this one, especially since this thing isn't even running anyway.
It feels pretty obvious to me that the only real motive here would be some kind of false flag operation.
I just can't wrap my head around why the US would bother blowing up an empty pipeline.

Empty? It’s leaking gas straight into the ocean. You can see it right there in the photos.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
It’s hard to address everything here. There are too many clichés, buzzwords, and twisted arguments. I have no interest in arguing just for the sake of arguing. So, I’ll just pick a few things to respond to.

Anthony Perez9 said:This is basically a fight for Russia's survival because things are starting to fall apart internally. There's this growing trend of moving toward the West. They're losing pieces one by one... How does Putin stop that?
By tightening control through fear and manufacturing an external enemy.

That Russian excuse about wanting a buffer zone between NATO and Russia is total nonsense.

True. But they want to freeze the borders where they are forever, not have countries breaking away on their own terms.

The most valuable stuff Ukraine has is the oil and gas in the Sea of Japan (allegedly not quite as much as Norway has) and the mineral wealth in the Donbas mines.

What's left for the Russians if they lose access to that?

So, exactly what the Russians took and are currently holding.

Basically, they grabbed their "Frontier," but the real plan was to take the whole damn cake.

Nobody cares about sunflower fields—not one side or the other.

Who are "the others"? Given its role as the world's breadbasket, Ukraine matters.

Do you really think ExxonMobil or Chevron are going to ask for concessions on sunflower fields? Americans and the British have already burned tens of billions of dollars; that's nothing compared to the hundreds of billions or even trillions in oil and gas. Zilch.

So, "the Americans and the British cooked everything up," while Putin's Russians are just innocent bystanders...

The Russians know it too. If they let the Americans and the European Union take those deposits, they can kiss selling their gas to the European Union goodbye.

Smart Russians, indeed...

So they claim they're defending themselves from, I don't know, some "conspiracy and shadow elites pulling the strings".
And you don't even mention the Ukrainians, like they have any say in it. Are they just being played by the, uh, "greedy capitalists" in some conspiracy theory?
There’s zero chance Americans and Englishmen are just going to let Russia annex what they're holding right now.
Always "Americans and Englishmen" blocking someone. What exactly is this "territory Russia is holding"?

It means they raised the stakes for nothing and are folding now just when they actually have the better hand. Basically, they'll keep raising until Russia folds and asks for a truce—just enough to save face or salvage something.

"Russia asks for a truce," sure... while the US and UK won't budge an inch. Real villains, aren't they?

Just look at the kind of hardware they're sending to the Ukrainians.

What else should they send? Magic wands?

About twenty HIMARS batteries completely flipped the script on the battlefield. Now imagine if they sent three times that along with ATACMS. They have them. Anyone who knows how to play poker knows you raise the stakes when you're holding a winning hand...

What poker? What hands? Who we even talking about?

So yeah... watching how this plays out is going to be interesting.

Yeah, "interesting" to watch Russian tanks rolling over someone else's land...

Stakes are up for now, but there's plenty of room to go higher. If you're bluffing, you're busted.
In my book, Russia lost the war the second they sent that first soldier into Ukraine.

And we're still waiting for them to fold. They'll fold because they ran into people who refuse to surrender, and people who were smart enough to get out of their way fast.
Did the West push them into this, or did they just ignore the warnings?

Putin realized he didn't just swallow one bait, he swallowed the whole damn bucket, and he figured that out pretty much immediately after the invasion started. But hey, no turning back now...

He learned the hard way that his cronies gave him a totally skewed picture of how much Ukrainians actually care about their freedom.

The Chinese are staying quiet and playing it smart.

They've started distancing themselves from Russia, because nobody likes rooting for a loser.

Same deal with India. Iran sent over some drones and ended up getting a half-baked revolution in return, courtesy of those women's rights protests.

"A half-baked revolution" received? You're back at it again, seeing some conspiracy where A&E "gifted" Iran something? Instead of realizing Islamism just shoved those women right into a corner?

I doubt they'll be sending any more drones their way.

Because... why bother?

Americans don't make threats; the one holding the weak hand does.
Putin might be a decent chess player, but he’s a terrible poker player. And this isn't chess, it's poker.

Putin is just a delusional spy with a massive Napoleon complex. ☕

Which part of Russia has actually fallen away so far?

Anthony Perez9 said:This is basically a fight for Russia's survival because things are starting to fall apart internally. There's this growing trend of moving toward the West. They're losing pieces one by one... How does Putin stop that?
By tightening control through fear and manufacturing an external enemy.

That Russian excuse about wanting a buffer zone between NATO and Russia is total nonsense.

True. But they want to freeze the borders where they are forever, not have countries breaking away on their own terms.

The most valuable stuff Ukraine has is the oil and gas in the Sea of Japan (allegedly not quite as much as Norway has) and the mineral wealth in the Donbas mines.

What's left for the Russians if they lose access to that?

So, exactly what the Russians took and are currently holding.

Basically, they grabbed their "Frontier," but the real plan was to take the whole damn cake.

Nobody cares about sunflower fields—not one side or the other.

Who are "the others"? Given its role as the world's breadbasket, Ukraine matters.

Do you really think ExxonMobil or Chevron are going to ask for concessions on sunflower fields? Americans and the British have already burned tens of billions of dollars; that's nothing compared to the hundreds of billions or even trillions in oil and gas. Zilch.

So, "the Americans and the British cooked everything up," while Putin's Russians are just innocent bystanders...

The Russians know it too. If they let the Americans and the European Union take those deposits, they can kiss selling their gas to the European Union goodbye.

Smart Russians, indeed...

So they claim they're defending themselves from, I don't know, some "conspiracy and shadow elites pulling the strings".
And you don't even mention the Ukrainians, like they have any say in it. Are they just being played by the, uh, "greedy capitalists" in some conspiracy theory?
There’s zero chance Americans and Englishmen are just going to let Russia annex what they're holding right now.
Always "Americans and Englishmen" blocking someone. What exactly is this "territory Russia is holding"?

It means they raised the stakes for nothing and are folding now just when they actually have the better hand. Basically, they'll keep raising until Russia folds and asks for a truce—just enough to save face or salvage something.

"Russia asks for a truce," sure... while the US and UK won't budge an inch. Real villains, aren't they?

Just look at the kind of hardware they're sending to the Ukrainians.

What else should they send? Magic wands?

About twenty HIMARS batteries completely flipped the script on the battlefield. Now imagine if they sent three times that along with ATACMS. They have them. Anyone who knows how to play poker knows you raise the stakes when you're holding a winning hand...

What poker? What hands? Who we even talking about?

So yeah... watching how this plays out is going to be interesting.

Yeah, "interesting" to watch Russian tanks rolling over someone else's land...

Stakes are up for now, but there's plenty of room to go higher. If you're bluffing, you're busted.
In my book, Russia lost the war the second they sent that first soldier into Ukraine.

And we're still waiting for them to fold. They'll fold because they ran into people who refuse to surrender, and people who were smart enough to get out of their way fast.
Did the West push them into this, or did they just ignore the warnings?

Putin realized he didn't just swallow one bait, he swallowed the whole damn bucket, and he figured that out pretty much immediately after the invasion started. But hey, no turning back now...

He learned the hard way that his cronies gave him a totally skewed picture of how much Ukrainians actually care about their freedom.

The Chinese are staying quiet and playing it smart.

They've started distancing themselves from Russia, because nobody likes rooting for a loser.

Same deal with India. Iran sent over some drones and ended up getting a half-baked revolution in return, courtesy of those women's rights protests.

"A half-baked revolution" received? You're back at it again, seeing some conspiracy where A&E "gifted" Iran something? Instead of realizing Islamism just shoved those women right into a corner?

I doubt they'll be sending any more drones their way.

Because... why bother?

Americans don't make threats; the one holding the weak hand does.
Putin might be a decent chess player, but he’s a terrible poker player. And this isn't chess, it's poker.

Putin is just a delusional spy with a massive Napoleon complex. ☕

It's the same reason Putin—according to Kolinda herself—tried to pressure the US to drop their plans for building an LNG terminal. Nobody likes competition. Especially not in their own backyard.

Anthony Perez9 said:This is basically a fight for Russia's survival because things are starting to fall apart internally. There's this growing trend of moving toward the West. They're losing pieces one by one... How does Putin stop that?
By tightening control through fear and manufacturing an external enemy.

That Russian excuse about wanting a buffer zone between NATO and Russia is total nonsense.

True. But they want to freeze the borders where they are forever, not have countries breaking away on their own terms.

The most valuable stuff Ukraine has is the oil and gas in the Sea of Japan (allegedly not quite as much as Norway has) and the mineral wealth in the Donbas mines.

What's left for the Russians if they lose access to that?

So, exactly what the Russians took and are currently holding.

Basically, they grabbed their "Frontier," but the real plan was to take the whole damn cake.

Nobody cares about sunflower fields—not one side or the other.

Who are "the others"? Given its role as the world's breadbasket, Ukraine matters.

Do you really think ExxonMobil or Chevron are going to ask for concessions on sunflower fields? Americans and the British have already burned tens of billions of dollars; that's nothing compared to the hundreds of billions or even trillions in oil and gas. Zilch.

So, "the Americans and the British cooked everything up," while Putin's Russians are just innocent bystanders...

The Russians know it too. If they let the Americans and the European Union take those deposits, they can kiss selling their gas to the European Union goodbye.

Smart Russians, indeed...

So they claim they're defending themselves from, I don't know, some "conspiracy and shadow elites pulling the strings".
And you don't even mention the Ukrainians, like they have any say in it. Are they just being played by the, uh, "greedy capitalists" in some conspiracy theory?
There’s zero chance Americans and Englishmen are just going to let Russia annex what they're holding right now.
Always "Americans and Englishmen" blocking someone. What exactly is this "territory Russia is holding"?

It means they raised the stakes for nothing and are folding now just when they actually have the better hand. Basically, they'll keep raising until Russia folds and asks for a truce—just enough to save face or salvage something.

"Russia asks for a truce," sure... while the US and UK won't budge an inch. Real villains, aren't they?

Just look at the kind of hardware they're sending to the Ukrainians.

What else should they send? Magic wands?

About twenty HIMARS batteries completely flipped the script on the battlefield. Now imagine if they sent three times that along with ATACMS. They have them. Anyone who knows how to play poker knows you raise the stakes when you're holding a winning hand...

What poker? What hands? Who we even talking about?

So yeah... watching how this plays out is going to be interesting.

Yeah, "interesting" to watch Russian tanks rolling over someone else's land...

Stakes are up for now, but there's plenty of room to go higher. If you're bluffing, you're busted.
In my book, Russia lost the war the second they sent that first soldier into Ukraine.

And we're still waiting for them to fold. They'll fold because they ran into people who refuse to surrender, and people who were smart enough to get out of their way fast.
Did the West push them into this, or did they just ignore the warnings?

Putin realized he didn't just swallow one bait, he swallowed the whole damn bucket, and he figured that out pretty much immediately after the invasion started. But hey, no turning back now...

He learned the hard way that his cronies gave him a totally skewed picture of how much Ukrainians actually care about their freedom.

The Chinese are staying quiet and playing it smart.

They've started distancing themselves from Russia, because nobody likes rooting for a loser.

Same deal with India. Iran sent over some drones and ended up getting a half-baked revolution in return, courtesy of those women's rights protests.

"A half-baked revolution" received? You're back at it again, seeing some conspiracy where A&E "gifted" Iran something? Instead of realizing Islamism just shoved those women right into a corner?

I doubt they'll be sending any more drones their way.

Because... why bother?

Americans don't make threats; the one holding the weak hand does.
Putin might be a decent chess player, but he’s a terrible poker player. And this isn't chess, it's poker.

Putin is just a delusional spy with a massive Napoleon complex. ☕

Without A&E, Russia would have steamrolled Ukraine already. Whether they've been betrayed or will be, I don't know. I assume every single Javelin or NLAW comes with a bill. Still, it's better than being occupied by Russia. I'm not saying the Ukrainians don't have a say; I'm saying they don't have much of a choice. When someone attacks you, you really only have two options.

Anthony Perez9 said:This is basically a fight for Russia's survival because things are starting to fall apart internally. There's this growing trend of moving toward the West. They're losing pieces one by one... How does Putin stop that?
By tightening control through fear and manufacturing an external enemy.

That Russian excuse about wanting a buffer zone between NATO and Russia is total nonsense.

True. But they want to freeze the borders where they are forever, not have countries breaking away on their own terms.

The most valuable stuff Ukraine has is the oil and gas in the Sea of Japan (allegedly not quite as much as Norway has) and the mineral wealth in the Donbas mines.

What's left for the Russians if they lose access to that?

So, exactly what the Russians took and are currently holding.

Basically, they grabbed their "Frontier," but the real plan was to take the whole damn cake.

Nobody cares about sunflower fields—not one side or the other.

Who are "the others"? Given its role as the world's breadbasket, Ukraine matters.

Do you really think ExxonMobil or Chevron are going to ask for concessions on sunflower fields? Americans and the British have already burned tens of billions of dollars; that's nothing compared to the hundreds of billions or even trillions in oil and gas. Zilch.

So, "the Americans and the British cooked everything up," while Putin's Russians are just innocent bystanders...

The Russians know it too. If they let the Americans and the European Union take those deposits, they can kiss selling their gas to the European Union goodbye.

Smart Russians, indeed...

So they claim they're defending themselves from, I don't know, some "conspiracy and shadow elites pulling the strings".
And you don't even mention the Ukrainians, like they have any say in it. Are they just being played by the, uh, "greedy capitalists" in some conspiracy theory?
There’s zero chance Americans and Englishmen are just going to let Russia annex what they're holding right now.
Always "Americans and Englishmen" blocking someone. What exactly is this "territory Russia is holding"?

It means they raised the stakes for nothing and are folding now just when they actually have the better hand. Basically, they'll keep raising until Russia folds and asks for a truce—just enough to save face or salvage something.

"Russia asks for a truce," sure... while the US and UK won't budge an inch. Real villains, aren't they?

Just look at the kind of hardware they're sending to the Ukrainians.

What else should they send? Magic wands?

About twenty HIMARS batteries completely flipped the script on the battlefield. Now imagine if they sent three times that along with ATACMS. They have them. Anyone who knows how to play poker knows you raise the stakes when you're holding a winning hand...

What poker? What hands? Who we even talking about?

So yeah... watching how this plays out is going to be interesting.

Yeah, "interesting" to watch Russian tanks rolling over someone else's land...

Stakes are up for now, but there's plenty of room to go higher. If you're bluffing, you're busted.
In my book, Russia lost the war the second they sent that first soldier into Ukraine.

And we're still waiting for them to fold. They'll fold because they ran into people who refuse to surrender, and people who were smart enough to get out of their way fast.
Did the West push them into this, or did they just ignore the warnings?

Putin realized he didn't just swallow one bait, he swallowed the whole damn bucket, and he figured that out pretty much immediately after the invasion started. But hey, no turning back now...

He learned the hard way that his cronies gave him a totally skewed picture of how much Ukrainians actually care about their freedom.

The Chinese are staying quiet and playing it smart.

They've started distancing themselves from Russia, because nobody likes rooting for a loser.

Same deal with India. Iran sent over some drones and ended up getting a half-baked revolution in return, courtesy of those women's rights protests.

"A half-baked revolution" received? You're back at it again, seeing some conspiracy where A&E "gifted" Iran something? Instead of realizing Islamism just shoved those women right into a corner?

I doubt they'll be sending any more drones their way.

Because... why bother?

Americans don't make threats; the one holding the weak hand does.
Putin might be a decent chess player, but he’s a terrible poker player. And this isn't chess, it's poker.

Putin is just a delusional spy with a massive Napoleon complex. ☕

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Anthony Perez9 said:This is basically a fight for Russia's survival because things are starting to fall apart internally. There's this growing trend of moving toward the West. They're losing pieces one by one... How does Putin stop that?
By tightening control through fear and manufacturing an external enemy.

That Russian excuse about wanting a buffer zone between NATO and Russia is total nonsense.

True. But they want to freeze the borders where they are forever, not have countries breaking away on their own terms.

The most valuable stuff Ukraine has is the oil and gas in the Sea of Japan (allegedly not quite as much as Norway has) and the mineral wealth in the Donbas mines.

What's left for the Russians if they lose access to that?

So, exactly what the Russians took and are currently holding.

Basically, they grabbed their "Frontier," but the real plan was to take the whole damn cake.

Nobody cares about sunflower fields—not one side or the other.

Who are "the others"? Given its role as the world's breadbasket, Ukraine matters.

Do you really think ExxonMobil or Chevron are going to ask for concessions on sunflower fields? Americans and the British have already burned tens of billions of dollars; that's nothing compared to the hundreds of billions or even trillions in oil and gas. Zilch.

So, "the Americans and the British cooked everything up," while Putin's Russians are just innocent bystanders...

The Russians know it too. If they let the Americans and the European Union take those deposits, they can kiss selling their gas to the European Union goodbye.

Smart Russians, indeed...

So they claim they're defending themselves from, I don't know, some "conspiracy and shadow elites pulling the strings".
And you don't even mention the Ukrainians, like they have any say in it. Are they just being played by the, uh, "greedy capitalists" in some conspiracy theory?
There’s zero chance Americans and Englishmen are just going to let Russia annex what they're holding right now.
Always "Americans and Englishmen" blocking someone. What exactly is this "territory Russia is holding"?

It means they raised the stakes for nothing and are folding now just when they actually have the better hand. Basically, they'll keep raising until Russia folds and asks for a truce—just enough to save face or salvage something.

"Russia asks for a truce," sure... while the US and UK won't budge an inch. Real villains, aren't they?

Just look at the kind of hardware they're sending to the Ukrainians.

What else should they send? Magic wands?

About twenty HIMARS batteries completely flipped the script on the battlefield. Now imagine if they sent three times that along with ATACMS. They have them. Anyone who knows how to play poker knows you raise the stakes when you're holding a winning hand...

What poker? What hands? Who we even talking about?

So yeah... watching how this plays out is going to be interesting.

Yeah, "interesting" to watch Russian tanks rolling over someone else's land...

Stakes are up for now, but there's plenty of room to go higher. If you're bluffing, you're busted.
In my book, Russia lost the war the second they sent that first soldier into Ukraine.

And we're still waiting for them to fold. They'll fold because they ran into people who refuse to surrender, and people who were smart enough to get out of their way fast.
Did the West push them into this, or did they just ignore the warnings?

Putin realized he didn't just swallow one bait, he swallowed the whole damn bucket, and he figured that out pretty much immediately after the invasion started. But hey, no turning back now...

He learned the hard way that his cronies gave him a totally skewed picture of how much Ukrainians actually care about their freedom.

The Chinese are staying quiet and playing it smart.

They've started distancing themselves from Russia, because nobody likes rooting for a loser.

Same deal with India. Iran sent over some drones and ended up getting a half-baked revolution in return, courtesy of those women's rights protests.

"A half-baked revolution" received? You're back at it again, seeing some conspiracy where A&E "gifted" Iran something? Instead of realizing Islamism just shoved those women right into a corner?

I doubt they'll be sending any more drones their way.

Because... why bother?

Americans don't make threats; the one holding the weak hand does.
Putin might be a decent chess player, but he’s a terrible poker player. And this isn't chess, it's poker.

Putin is just a delusional spy with a massive Napoleon complex. ☕

Is the goal defense, or actually reclaiming what was lost?
For the second one, they’re going to need a lot more offensive firepower. You aren't getting territory back with just six Gepards and two NASAM batteries.

Anthony Perez9 said:This is basically a fight for Russia's survival because things are starting to fall apart internally. There's this growing trend of moving toward the West. They're losing pieces one by one... How does Putin stop that?
By tightening control through fear and manufacturing an external enemy.

That Russian excuse about wanting a buffer zone between NATO and Russia is total nonsense.

True. But they want to freeze the borders where they are forever, not have countries breaking away on their own terms.

The most valuable stuff Ukraine has is the oil and gas in the Sea of Japan (allegedly not quite as much as Norway has) and the mineral wealth in the Donbas mines.

What's left for the Russians if they lose access to that?

So, exactly what the Russians took and are currently holding.

Basically, they grabbed their "Frontier," but the real plan was to take the whole damn cake.

Nobody cares about sunflower fields—not one side or the other.

Who are "the others"? Given its role as the world's breadbasket, Ukraine matters.

Do you really think ExxonMobil or Chevron are going to ask for concessions on sunflower fields? Americans and the British have already burned tens of billions of dollars; that's nothing compared to the hundreds of billions or even trillions in oil and gas. Zilch.

So, "the Americans and the British cooked everything up," while Putin's Russians are just innocent bystanders...

The Russians know it too. If they let the Americans and the European Union take those deposits, they can kiss selling their gas to the European Union goodbye.

Smart Russians, indeed...

So they claim they're defending themselves from, I don't know, some "conspiracy and shadow elites pulling the strings".
And you don't even mention the Ukrainians, like they have any say in it. Are they just being played by the, uh, "greedy capitalists" in some conspiracy theory?
There’s zero chance Americans and Englishmen are just going to let Russia annex what they're holding right now.
Always "Americans and Englishmen" blocking someone. What exactly is this "territory Russia is holding"?

It means they raised the stakes for nothing and are folding now just when they actually have the better hand. Basically, they'll keep raising until Russia folds and asks for a truce—just enough to save face or salvage something.

"Russia asks for a truce," sure... while the US and UK won't budge an inch. Real villains, aren't they?

Just look at the kind of hardware they're sending to the Ukrainians.

What else should they send? Magic wands?

About twenty HIMARS batteries completely flipped the script on the battlefield. Now imagine if they sent three times that along with ATACMS. They have them. Anyone who knows how to play poker knows you raise the stakes when you're holding a winning hand...

What poker? What hands? Who we even talking about?

So yeah... watching how this plays out is going to be interesting.

Yeah, "interesting" to watch Russian tanks rolling over someone else's land...

Stakes are up for now, but there's plenty of room to go higher. If you're bluffing, you're busted.
In my book, Russia lost the war the second they sent that first soldier into Ukraine.

And we're still waiting for them to fold. They'll fold because they ran into people who refuse to surrender, and people who were smart enough to get out of their way fast.
Did the West push them into this, or did they just ignore the warnings?

Putin realized he didn't just swallow one bait, he swallowed the whole damn bucket, and he figured that out pretty much immediately after the invasion started. But hey, no turning back now...

He learned the hard way that his cronies gave him a totally skewed picture of how much Ukrainians actually care about their freedom.

The Chinese are staying quiet and playing it smart.

They've started distancing themselves from Russia, because nobody likes rooting for a loser.

Same deal with India. Iran sent over some drones and ended up getting a half-baked revolution in return, courtesy of those women's rights protests.

"A half-baked revolution" received? You're back at it again, seeing some conspiracy where A&E "gifted" Iran something? Instead of realizing Islamism just shoved those women right into a corner?

I doubt they'll be sending any more drones their way.

Because... why bother?

Americans don't make threats; the one holding the weak hand does.
Putin might be a decent chess player, but he’s a terrible poker player. And this isn't chess, it's poker.

Putin is just a delusional spy with a massive Napoleon complex. ☕

The Chechens tore through them in two different wars, yet Russia still brought them back under control eventually.

Anthony Perez9 said:This is basically a fight for Russia's survival because things are starting to fall apart internally. There's this growing trend of moving toward the West. They're losing pieces one by one... How does Putin stop that?
By tightening control through fear and manufacturing an external enemy.

That Russian excuse about wanting a buffer zone between NATO and Russia is total nonsense.

True. But they want to freeze the borders where they are forever, not have countries breaking away on their own terms.

The most valuable stuff Ukraine has is the oil and gas in the Sea of Japan (allegedly not quite as much as Norway has) and the mineral wealth in the Donbas mines.

What's left for the Russians if they lose access to that?

So, exactly what the Russians took and are currently holding.

Basically, they grabbed their "Frontier," but the real plan was to take the whole damn cake.

Nobody cares about sunflower fields—not one side or the other.

Who are "the others"? Given its role as the world's breadbasket, Ukraine matters.

Do you really think ExxonMobil or Chevron are going to ask for concessions on sunflower fields? Americans and the British have already burned tens of billions of dollars; that's nothing compared to the hundreds of billions or even trillions in oil and gas. Zilch.

So, "the Americans and the British cooked everything up," while Putin's Russians are just innocent bystanders...

The Russians know it too. If they let the Americans and the European Union take those deposits, they can kiss selling their gas to the European Union goodbye.

Smart Russians, indeed...

So they claim they're defending themselves from, I don't know, some "conspiracy and shadow elites pulling the strings".
And you don't even mention the Ukrainians, like they have any say in it. Are they just being played by the, uh, "greedy capitalists" in some conspiracy theory?
There’s zero chance Americans and Englishmen are just going to let Russia annex what they're holding right now.
Always "Americans and Englishmen" blocking someone. What exactly is this "territory Russia is holding"?

It means they raised the stakes for nothing and are folding now just when they actually have the better hand. Basically, they'll keep raising until Russia folds and asks for a truce—just enough to save face or salvage something.

"Russia asks for a truce," sure... while the US and UK won't budge an inch. Real villains, aren't they?

Just look at the kind of hardware they're sending to the Ukrainians.

What else should they send? Magic wands?

About twenty HIMARS batteries completely flipped the script on the battlefield. Now imagine if they sent three times that along with ATACMS. They have them. Anyone who knows how to play poker knows you raise the stakes when you're holding a winning hand...

What poker? What hands? Who we even talking about?

So yeah... watching how this plays out is going to be interesting.

Yeah, "interesting" to watch Russian tanks rolling over someone else's land...

Stakes are up for now, but there's plenty of room to go higher. If you're bluffing, you're busted.
In my book, Russia lost the war the second they sent that first soldier into Ukraine.

And we're still waiting for them to fold. They'll fold because they ran into people who refuse to surrender, and people who were smart enough to get out of their way fast.
Did the West push them into this, or did they just ignore the warnings?

Putin realized he didn't just swallow one bait, he swallowed the whole damn bucket, and he figured that out pretty much immediately after the invasion started. But hey, no turning back now...

He learned the hard way that his cronies gave him a totally skewed picture of how much Ukrainians actually care about their freedom.

The Chinese are staying quiet and playing it smart.

They've started distancing themselves from Russia, because nobody likes rooting for a loser.

Same deal with India. Iran sent over some drones and ended up getting a half-baked revolution in return, courtesy of those women's rights protests.

"A half-baked revolution" received? You're back at it again, seeing some conspiracy where A&E "gifted" Iran something? Instead of realizing Islamism just shoved those women right into a corner?

I doubt they'll be sending any more drones their way.

Because... why bother?

Americans don't make threats; the one holding the weak hand does.
Putin might be a decent chess player, but he’s a terrible poker player. And this isn't chess, it's poker.

Putin is just a delusional spy with a massive Napoleon complex. ☕

Look, Ukraine didn't just suddenly break away from Russia; they've been enjoying their independence for 30 years. My take is that this is a war over resources. Russia doesn't want anyone else getting their hands on them. Sure, they wouldn't have minded if their poorly planned blitzkrieg had swallowed all of Ukraine whole, but since the Ukrainians weren't buying what they were selling, they pivoted to whatever they think they need to seize at any cost.
So, what's your angle? Why did Russia invade Ukraine? Because of Nazism?
Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5 in War in Ukraine ·
I’ll throw my two cents in too.
This is a war over resources. That Russian excuse about wanting a buffer zone between NATO and the Russian Federation is nonsense. Just look at the map. Why aren't the Russians making an effort to seize territory along the eastern and northeastern borders? Like around Sumy, for example.
The most valuable things Ukraine possesses are the oil and gas deposits in the Black Sea (allegedly a bit less than what Norway has) and the mineral wealth in the Donbas mines. Basically, exactly what the Russians have already seized and are currently holding.
Nobody cares about sunflower fields—not one side or the other. You really think ExxonMobil or Chevron is going to come knocking for concessions on sunflower patches? Americans and Englishmen have burned through a few dozen billion dollars so far. What's that compared to hundreds or thousands of billions in oil and gas? Nothing. The Russians know it too. If they let the Americans and the European Union take those deposits, they can kiss their gas sales to Europe goodbye. There isn't a theoretical chance the Americans and Englishmen will just let Russia annex everything they're holding right now. It means they've raised the stakes and they aren't folding now that they have much stronger hands. They'll keep raising the ante until the Russians fold and try to negotiate a peace treaty just to salvage something. Just look at the weapons being sent to the Ukrainians. About twenty HIMARS batteries changed the entire battlefield. Now imagine if they send three times that amount plus ATACMS missiles. It's not like they don't have them. Anyone who plays poker knows you raise the stakes when you're holding a winning hand...
So... watching how this ends will be interesting. The stakes have been bumped up for now, but there's plenty of room to go higher. Whoever's bluffing is the one who's going to lose.
My take is that the Russians lost this war the moment they sent that first soldier into Ukraine. Putin didn't just bite the bait; he swallowed the whole bucket, and he realized that on the second day of the invasion. But hey, no turning back now...
The Chinese are staying quiet and wise. India is doing the same. Iran sent drones, and in return, they got a partial revolution in the form of women's rights protests. I doubt they'll be sending many more drones. Americans don't make threats; only the person with the weaker hand does that.
Putin might be a decent chess player, but he's a lousy poker player. And this is a game of poker, not chess.
George Sanders37 said:One way to handle this is by using the LOOKUP function:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ex...010069832.aspx

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The setup:
In column D, use =MIN(C2:C5)
In column E, use =LOOKUP(MIN(C2:C5); C2:C5; B2:B5)
The first part is what you're searching for, the second is the range to search, and the third is the value to pull once it finds a match.
In column F, use =D2/E2

Edit: My bad. I misunderstood how LOOKUP fails. It’ll just grab the last value from the lowest prices and overwrite accordingly.

You completely flipped the table layout. Is there any way to make it work exactly the way I laid it out?
No, you've got it wrong. Column C is Peter's initial bid, and D is his final one. Column E shows Mark's starting price, while F is his final offer. Basically, the program needs to identify which bidder hit the lowest price, drop that value into column G, and then calculate the ratio between that first bid and the final price for whichever bidder was cheaper—and it doesn't have to be the same person for every item. For apples, Mark wins on price; for pears, it's Peter; for plums, we're back to Mark.
How do I actually pull this off? Any ideas?
Hey there,
Does anyone here know how to write an Excel formula for column H? I need to divide the lowest price by the initial starting price for whichever bidder happens to be the cheapest for that specific row.
Here’s the setup: we have two vendors, Peter and Mark. Each one submits a starting price and then a discounted price. In the first row, Mark is the winner because his discounted price is 6 and his start was 8. In the second row, Peter wins (20 vs 8), and in the third, it's Mark again (35 vs 32). I'm trying to figure out the math for column H so it calculates the ratio between the starting price and the final discounted price for the cheapest vendor in every single row. I already have the formula for column G to find the minimum price, which is =MIN(C5:F5), but what goes in H?

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