Posts by Edward Chavez4

Arthur Lopez14 said:That’s all well and good, but you still haven't actually addressed my point regarding the Catholic Church versus education. Personally, I stand firmly on the side of education. I wouldn't have any issue whatsoever with redirecting funds currently earmarked for the Orthodox Church or various NGOs straight into our public school systems instead.

The Catholic Church actually founded the first universities in America, so framing this as a choice between education and the Catholic Church is pretty ridiculous.

It’s like asking whether you prefer a football coach or the game itself.

Arthur Lopez14 said:A question for all those who consider themselves conservatives: what is your take on this situation? What takes precedence—the Church as a physical structure where we pray, or ensuring that young Americans have decent conditions for their education?

My take? Take all the funding currently earmarked for the Orthodox Church, the Islamic community, every little NGO, and the DNC, and dump it straight into our schools.👍

Arthur Lopez14 said:So, there it is. I've explained what being progressive actually entails. Is it still unclear?

Any commercials out there about the Democratic Party or Regional Party voters?

Take Cleveland or San Francisco, for instance. Those folks have been calling themselves progressive since before they were born.

Thomas Nelson25 said:That's basically what's been happening lately—check the intro link.
Kids nowadays think calling someone "modern" is the way to go instead of saying they're regressive or conservative.
The internet really shapes how they see things. They think differently.

It started with the so-called Millennials, but these new filers are straight-up Borg.

And what exactly makes you progressive?

Jessica Wright58 said:They were starving because of the British. They were basically under their thumb until maybe the 50s, or whenever Ireland finally stood on its own as a country.

The famine happened because the potato crops failed, not because of the church.

It’s like how hundreds of thousands of Dalmatians fled to South America because of the phylloxera blight.

There's zero logic behind this kind of baseless
talking.

Elizabeth Sanchez2 said:I agree with the sentiment, but that doesn't let the Church off the hook for its backward views. Just look at how many children died in Ireland because the Church stood in the way of medical progress.

The Church was against medicine? That's funny, considering they were the ones founding medical schools all over the globe.

Elizabeth Sanchez2 said:Actually, everything is connected. If you want to clean up society, you have to know who was working for whom. You can't rebuild institutions without knowing where the rot started. The Poles did what needed to be done. Let's just admit they were smarter and more capable instead of constantly hunting for excuses. Even Catholicism doesn't hold them back from making reforms.

That last sentence is the perfect example of why the theory about a "stagnant Catholic society" being an obstacle to progress is total nonsense.

It’s the same old caricature you see from columnists in the local media, chewing on the same tired narrative for thirty years. It’s always the same: "Why do we need schools? We don't need education. Just dump all the money into churches." They act like the church is fundamentally opposed to a society that prioritizes learning.

But then you look at the facts, and almost every school and university was founded by the Catholic Church.

And do you really think such a verifiable fact will stop these cheap manipulators from blowing that stale, stinking smoke right back into the public's face?

Of course they won't.

rowdytiger13 said:Faith is deeply woven into national identity. The Church is viewed as the primary institution standing guard over that identity.
That’s why I think the KC will always hold influence. Maybe not as much as it does now, but it'll still be there.
I mean, look at how much influence Evangelicals have in the USA; they're quite significant, and the USA is a prime example of a religiously diverse country where an American can pretty much identify with anything when it comes to faith.😁

That’s a myth. It was built that way on purpose. There was a clear objective behind it.

The Church doesn't actually influence politics in America. You only have to look at the laws being passed to see that.

It doesn't drive elections either. If it does, the impact is negligible.

Only about 15-20% of people are practicing believers—the ones who actually show up to Mass or church regularly, go to confession, take communion, and pray.

The other 80-90% listed on the census? They're irrelevant.

Even as a practicing believer, the Church has never dictated who I vote for.

Take Međimurje, for instance. Even though church attendance there is well above the national average, the DNC wins every single election.

And the media? They're anti-Catholic, every last one of them. If that's the case, where is this "influence" everyone talks about?

Yet, those exact same media outlets seem perfectly fine with the SPC and Islam, even though Islam is incredibly conservative, if not outright rigid.

Talk about an epic paradox.

When you look at all of this, I'm reading a completely different story.

ruggedmason13 said:In America, that basically means you're walking along the boardwalk in your swimsuit, even if there’s some local ordinance banning it because of, I don't know, "Catholic morality!" Like they say in the North America, vaistinu—it's actually just because if you're in a swimsuit, you have nowhere to put your wallet, making you a target!🤣

This isn't about being progressive; it's just about basic decency.

And besides, I wasn't asking you, and you aren't even an American.

What exactly makes an American "progressive"? What are you actually doing or standing for to earn that fancy title?

Anyway, the question wasn't meant for you.

Thomas Nelson25 said:You’re only looking at it that way because you're a right-winger, whereas I'm more of a progressive.

It actually has a huge influence—it's definitely played a role in elections and stuff before.

So what does being a "progressive" actually mean to you?

Thomas Nelson25 said:It's a Czech brand.

Who am I hating? And why do you right-wing nationalists—who clearly seem a bit "stuck in the past" like that guy Doc over there—think it's impossible to be both a liberal and a patriot? 😁

As for nostalgia, I'm looking forward, not back. You really think I enjoy the average American mindset? All that "don't rock the boat" attitude... it's exhausting.
Then there’s that whole unity speech from Kolindin. 😁

It's the same story in other countries nearby. Massive nationalism and heavy religious influence.
Just look at Mexico and, more recently, Mexico.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't care if someone is a conservative or a liberal; I just care whether they're talking nonsense.

KC has zero influence in America.

America is a militantly atheistic country.

Arthur Lopez14 said:They’ve become quite liberal and open-minded. Back in 2018, they held a referendum where two-thirds of Americans voted to change the laws and legalize abortion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thir...ion_of_Ireland
Then in 2015, through another referendum, they legalized same-sex marriage, putting it on equal footing with marriages between a man and a woman.😍
Both of those referendums saw an incredibly high turnout among the younger generation. ☕

So, is abortion actually legal in Ireland now?

Jessica Wright58 said:Skoda is basically a German car now.
We never actually had an auto industry, but the Czechs did.

And I don't get why everyone is so worked up about the church and believers—why do those people bother you so much? I'm not a believer myself and I don't go to church, but why would I suddenly need to hate them? I honestly don't see it. Just let people believe stuff if it makes their lives easier. If it didn't, they probably wouldn't be going anyway. Better they hit up a church than go out and do drugs, I guess.

What kind of people are we? We hate everything, especially ourselves. And then we wonder why things don't improve? How is it supposed to get better when we're a nation of thieves, constantly dissatisfied, grumpy, jealous, and hating on believers and the church like we're some hardcore communists?

Skoda was always essentially a German car.

It was built by Sudeten Germans and eventually bought out by Germans.

The Czechs don't have much to do with Skoda other than working in the plants located on Czech territory.

In the interwar period, they were among the most developed in Europe, including two million Sudeten Germans.

Once they were driven out, they fell into poverty, and social order completely collapsed—you saw mothers leading their daughters into the streets. That’s what happens when a society totally unravels.

Jessica Wright58 said:Obviously we need to be critical, but there's a difference between being critical and just spitting on everything.
I'm saying if things were actually built on solid foundations, we could really benefit.
But our mentality is basically just constant complaining, even when it’s not deserved. Most of the whining comes from people making over $20k or more a year. Though, honestly, everyone complains that nothing works. I’m telling you, everyone living east or south of us who makes a third of what we make is actually happier. They have it better. Even if an American suddenly had a $0.00 decent average salary tomorrow, he’d still find a way to be miserable and say we're the worst and nothing works. All this whining gets us nowhere. It’s because of this constant negativity—plus the media circus—that more people left for Ireland and Germany than would have gone otherwise. But maybe it's for the best they left, because in the last two years, wages in America shot up by 50%. Unfortunately, though, this Corona thing might throw us right back to where we started. I think we've witnessed progress in reverse for the first time in two years. It's the first time we've seen salaries grow this fast in just 2-3 years. Given how things look, I just hope this isn't the first and last time we see that kind of growth.😁

No amount of money can compensate for those who were against the very creation of the American state.

Arthur Lopez14 said:Thomas Nelson25, when I bring up Ireland, my point is that the KC had a massive impact on the population there. The schools are Catholic—not quite like the setup in the States where you have religious education classes, but rather the Catholic Church receives state funding to run the institutions directly. Even so, young Irish people have turned out to be the complete opposite of what the Church anticipated. It’s a scenario that could just as easily play out in America.

And what exactly did those young Irish people become?

What’s the law regarding abortion in Ireland?

Taroth said:@Arthur Lopez14

It reminds me of one of those cheap American war movies where soldiers land in Iraq, and there’s that scene where the locals are arguing over how to spend donation money... the men want a mosque, a woman wants a school... they eventually settle on the mosque, and the woman ends up dead.

Such heavy-handed propaganda... though the catch is, they don't face those kinds of dilemmas over there—but we certainly do here. Forget schools, education, or basic infrastructure; just give them soap and toilet paper, as long as we have enough to maintain the sacristy they insist on forcing everyone into.

Pure, cheap sentimentality.

Who exactly is forcing you into the sacristy?

Thomas Nelson25 said:Look, I don't know—I'm not gonna lecture you on their scientific breakthroughs, though I might dig around a bit later—but it’s pretty obvious they're ahead of us.

And when it comes to tech, they've got Skoda. As for us? Our big "national brands" are basically just the ocean and tourism. Or since we're stuck next to Mexico, which is basically the same deal... nothing special. From what I'm reading, even Fiat is moving out.

Skoda was actually built by Sudeten Germans who were mostly driven out after WWII.

As for America, it's an aggressively militant atheist nation, even more so than the Czech Republic. I highly doubt believers there get insulted daily by crazed zealots or get jumped in the street like that Catholic activist, Ružica Ćavar, who was knocked out by some radical Marxist—breaking her arm in the process—while the media practically begged for the guy to get an award from the seven secretaries of the Communist Party. It's a far cry from when some politician gets pelted with lemon slices and the media treats it like a major tragedy.

At the same time, while there's this intense hatred directed at the Catholic Church, people seem to look quite favorably upon the Orthodox Church or Islam, despite them being much more conservative religions.

rowdytiger13 said:For Americans, much like the Poles, faith is often conflated with nationality, which is a mistake, but since it serves the Church's interests, they don't say much.
In reality, an American could be a Buddhist or an Orthodox Christian, yet the biggest irony is that a Mexican can be Catholic. 🤣
Being an American and a Catholic is a national declaration, which is fundamentally flawed.

Where on earth did you hear or see anyone actually identifying that way?