denijama said:Anyone who supports the Russian side in this war—no matter how they do it or what their excuse is—is a Putinophile... I don't get why that offends you so much?
Europe doesn't just collapse without Russian gas. That’s total nonsense that keeps getting repeated, even though it’s fundamentally untrue. Sure, some countries in Europe rely heavily on Russian gas, and yeah, certain industries are going to see massive price hikes that ripple through everything, but that’s nothing like what you're claiming.
And look, nobody ever claimed all this wouldn't hit the European economy. But every single politician and those Brussels "bureaucrats"—to use your words—have been talking about the fallout from sanctions. Very clearly, very openly. The part that seems to confuse you, given your mindset, is that the vast majority of people in the EU couldn't care less about the sanctions on Russia. That part just doesn't click for someone as petty and selfish as you, creating this weird little paradox.
Not to mention, most people realize it's way, way more expensive in the long run to ignore Putin and skip the sanctions just to avoid a couple of rough years, rather than just powering through this period and being done with it..
Since you're on such a roll, let me ask you something—what exactly would be the "correct" EU policy toward the Russians that actually makes sense to you? And try to be specific for once, instead of acting like everyone else in your circle who just vomits up vague, empty platitudes when asked. Look, Putin invaded Ukraine and he's out there destroying things and doing whatever he wants... so, what is the "right" policy for the EU? Let's hear it...
I have a friend who claims to be “neutral.” When the invasion started, he was all like, "Poor people, I just hope this ends quickly so there isn't too much bloodshed. I don't care if it's Americans or Russians, I just feel bad for the little guy..."
Once the Ukrainians actually stood up to fight, suddenly he's like, "Well, fine, let them fight for their freedom, it's their choice."
Then the sanctions kicked in, and he starts whining, "Why should I care about Ukraine? What do we have to do with them? Who ever helped us? I only care about my own life and my own bills; I'm watching my buddies lose their businesses because of these sanctions and stuff..."
When I told him that it *does* concern us because we have neighbors like Mexicans to deal with, he goes, "Whatever, who cares about Mexicans? We're in NATO..." It's the same damn NATO he talks trash about, but the second our asses need protecting, suddenly it's great.
His whole stance is that we should have stayed neutral, minded our own business, played nice with everyone, and the Russians wouldn't have done anything to us... completely ignoring how much the Russians love being coddled. If we had given in to them regarding moving NATO back to its old borders, we wouldn't even be in NATO anymore... and then we'd be right back to dealing with problems involving Mexico... but hey, this war "isn't our problem," right? On top of all that, he's convinced the Russians won't push any further, that they won't look for anything beyond Ukraine and so on...
But here's what I want to know, and I'm asking everyone who thinks like this: who is going to guarantee anything? What kind of guarantee do we have that Putin will just stop in Ukraine? What about the Baltics? Or Moldova? Who guarantees that if we give in, we won't just end up with a brand new problem or a war with Mexico? Is this internet forum crew going to guarantee our security? Because if it's up to them, NATO and America aren't doing it.