darkowl72 said:Honestly, I think they should just appoint you as the CEO here—that way, whenever we want something, we can just come to you first for advice. 😬
Look, truth be told, I don't know about specific eras because you clearly don't remember when Corsair power supplies were actually highly regarded—one of the few branded units you could find alongside Fortron back in the day. But that was ages ago, back when their units were built by CWT and Seasonic. They really messed things up when they switched manufacturers just to cut costs (I'm talking about that infamous first run of CX series units), though finding hard data on that is tough since nobody wants to talk about it. Later, they went back to CWT, but not Seasonic. Again—to be clear—Corsair is essentially just a "design group" for PSUs, whereas Cooler Master has never actually manufactured anything; they just slap their stickers on existing hardware. And honestly, 😬 it happens all the time where they put different labels on the exact same unit—just like Corsair does—and sell them off as entirely different models.
However, there is this thing called a UL number that every PSU has to carry. You can use that to figure out who actually built a high-end CM unit—whether it’s AC Bell, Enhance, Hipro, or someone else... As for Fractal Design, there's no mystery there; everything they have is made by ATNG.
But hey, I'm sure you'll dig up some more reasons or explanations for why you claimed those companies were the actual manufacturers in your last post—probably just to pull something new out of thin air (I mean, did anyone even ask you about AIOs or fans?) just so you can act like the smartest guy in the room... You're drifting further and further into off-topic territory...
Just make up your mind: is the Hyper 500W any good or not? First, you trash it relentlessly, and then:
🤣 boring....
Well, I mentioned that Seasonic used to make Corsair units specifically to point out that Corsair still carries some of that old prestige—that's it. I know most vendors today don't manufacture their own power supplies, which is why I listed a few examples earlier; I was just trying to show that you can get much better quality for less money. As for the AIO fans, I brought that up because my point was broader—I don't respect Corsair as a brand in general, not just regarding their PSUs.
I never said the Hyper 500W was bad. I just said you need to understand component tiers and what they are actually capable of handling. That's why I told the guy it's perfectly fine for an AMD Radeon R9 380, but it's absolutely not enough for an AMD Radeon R9 390. Honestly, if you had posted that on any serious forum, the community would have roasted you so hard you wouldn't want to give recommendations ever again.
Robert Rodriguez2 said:Maybe you could show a bit more respect toward someone who was actually building rigs back when neither of us even knew which end of a screwdriver was which...
But in my nearly 8 years on this forum—from what I’ve seen—if someone actually has experience and backs their claims up with both hands-on knowledge and external data, then that’s darkowl72.
Look, I don't know you people, and I don't know anything about you—I just judge based on what's written and said, plain and simple. For the same reason, you have no clue how old I am, where I work, or how many components I've personally tested and assembled.
darkowl72 is a smart guy, that much is true—I can see he knows his stuff in certain IT niches (laptops, UPS systems, rendering, processing, etc.)—but when it comes to specific component builds and those deep-dive details, he isn't exactly an expert. It doesn't bother me at all, really; I'm just trying to clarify things and offer my own perspective so we aren't just taking everything at face value.
I have zero intention of starting any "feuds" with anyone—I just like to defend my stance. 👍
Anyone who actually keeps up with hardware knows this—it’s not exactly shocking that you're completely clueless about it.
Go ahead and read some actual customer reviews on other forums regarding their AIO solutions before you try to come at me.😉 The fans die within a few months—they just fail—and then you have to RMA them, but even when you get replacements, they leak again. It's a joke. I guess the only permanent fix is buying AM fans, which cost at least $67 2 units, bringing your total spend to over $200. For that kind of money, you could easily grab a 360mm AIO that absolutely crushes those 240-280mm Corsair setups. Not to mention that Cooler Master liquid coolers are either cheaper or just better built with stronger pumps—same goes for Fractal and a few other reputable brands.
As for the power supplies, they are massively overpriced—period. They use lower-quality fans, and the internal components in their budget and mainstream lines aren't anything special. Sure, their RM and AX series—which cost an absolute fortune—are fine, but they're way too expensive. For that price, you can easily pick up EVGA G2 or Superflower Leadex units, or even stick with Cooler master VS and Antec true power classic series.
Obviously, someone who doesn't follow this stuff wouldn't know that.
If you're still confused, I've got a ton of links I couldn't paste earlier that would back up everything I'm saying.😉
Corsair is honestly a joke of a company—and I'm not just talking about their power supplies—but mostly they just get picked up by people who don't know any better because of their old reputation and those "popular" AIO solutions where the fans die faster than you can buy a new pair of sneakers.
swiftfalcon89 said:It's not even that much more expensive—for example, the MSI Armor 2 x is one,$237 for cash, the Gigabyte WF2 is one,$257 for cash, and the Sapphire nitro is one,$250 for cash... so the Gigabyte is actually pricier, but everything is within about five bucks of each other.
I think those are the 2GB models at around $1700-$600, but the cheapest 4GB models start at $633.
As for the power supply, I guess a hyper 500w is enough for this setup—though my recommendation would be to go with a hyper 600w just so you have some breathing room if you decide to upgrade to a higher-draw card later on.😉
Secondly—and just to be clear—I haven't participated in a single discussion on this forum without providing actual, concrete evidence, whether it’s my own photos or specific links that back me up. (Look at the NESHO45 and Fl@tron situation), and I intend to handle you the exact same way 😉
You claim you saw a buddy of yours running an R9 390 on a Hyper 500w? Fine—show me a photo so I can admit I'm wrong, or are you just throwing out random claims because you're short on actual arguments...?
Regarding OCZ—they don't even exist anymore, so EVGA isn't manufacturing anything for them—which just shows how little you actually know. It's common knowledge that companies like EVGA (Superflower Leadex), AMD (Seasonic), and Corsair (who used to use Seasonic, though I think it's Chicony now) don't even make their own power supplies; that's nothing new in this industry.
Now, let me lay out the facts in order 😉
1. I don't recall exactly which OCZ unit that guy was using for his R9 290, but I'm pretty sure it was a GOLD rated unit—meaning high quality—something that this Hyper couldn't even dream of competing with.
2. As for the rest of the system, we can easily calculate the approximate power draw for the remaining components. Let's break it down:
motherboard - 20w one HDD - 8 to 10w case fans - 8-10w 8GB RAM - about 7w motherboard chipset - 15w
So, roughly 57w SOURCE: http://www.buildcomputers.net/power-...omponents.html
3. Regarding the power supply, I already mentioned that they lose efficiency during use, just like any other electrical equipment (batteries, accumulators, etc.).
4. What's printed on that label is one thing, but the reality regarding that Hyper is something else entirely. If you actually looked at some reviews, you'd see that this EVGA unit isn't all that great. Higher-end power supplies have various protections, better voltage regulation, superior components, higher efficiency, and so on...
5. Why do you think people pair 600w units with an R9 390? It's not for nothing. I wouldn't put anything with a TDP higher than an R9 380 on that Hyper; there is absolutely no chance it could run reliably under the load of an R9 390. Even if you did use an R9 390, it probably wouldn't last more than two weeks before being constantly on the verge of failure. But what fascinates me most is how you claim it would work without issues, and then turn around and tell me I'm not being helpful—all while you're potentially risking someone's entire PC and then trying to lecture me... honestly, I mean, really.
6. This stuff you're saying about refunds is so ridiculous I don't even know what to say. Have you ever actually heard of someone getting a refund because their PSU died from being overloaded beyond its intended purpose? You're even claiming that EVGA would pay someone compensation for every single component fried by a failing power supply. I haven't heard of such a thing in my life. Give me a link to back up that nonsense, because I also wonder how long it would take to resolve such a case through all the legal red tape in the courts—I highly doubt you'd get anything out of it.😁
EDIT: One last thing: since it seems like you don't quite grasp how components and system builds work, understand this—the power supply is the circulatory system of any build. It feeds every single component, so never, ever skimp on it!
swiftfalcon89 said:I'm strictly sticking to 1080p gaming—as for these cards, a buddy of mine mentioned on his site that those ASUS R9 3xx models are pretty subpar because they run way too hot (even hotter than an AMD card, which is already known for high temps)... so I guess what would even be worth getting from this list at Best Buy?
Newegg MSI R9 380 2GD5T (Armor 2x) — apparently Ghost Disaster thinks these MSI Armor 2x cards aren't all that great. ASUS R9 380 WF2 OC — silvermoose14 said he actually looked into getting this one himself, but after some digging, found out it’s not the best choice either since ASUS tends to focus more on Nvidia chips anyway. Sapphire R9 380 nitro Dual-X OC Boost — seems excellent from what I can tell—though my only gripe is that it comes with a year less of warranty. Sapphire R9 380 Dual-X OC Boost 2GB GDDR5 256bit UEFI 1792 stream Processors — -||- XFX R9 380 4GB Black — honestly, for the past year, I've been reading nothing but bad things about XFX cards—overheating, loud fans, frequent failures—and they only offer a 2-year warranty, so I don't know... MSI GTX960 2GD5T OC, 2GB GDGD5, Armor 2x — the only reason I’d pick an R9 380 over the GTX960 is that 128-bit bus; I know they hold their own in performance, but it still kind of puts me off...
Anyway, what do you guys think? Which of these is the best move? After listening to everyone's opinions, I'm basically back to square one and sure of nothing...
Those R9 390 models from ASUS are trash and have issues—I'd never recommend them—but the 380 models shouldn't be a problem.
Actually, you could go with the XFX R9 380 4GB if you're worried about reliability. The absolute best version is the Sapphire nitro, but man, it's overpriced. Just aim for $633 and pick a 4GB model there; spending more than that just isn't worth it.
1. i5 4460 max TDP = 84W http://ark.intel.com/products/80817/...up-to-3_40-GHz 2. R9 390 Peak = 253 W Max = 323 W https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/...S_Plus/28.html 3. Hyper 500W +12V = 38 A = 456 W http://fsp-europe.com/hyper-500w600700w/
Everything else is negligible...
And the EVGA Hyper is just a mainstream 80+ / 85+ Bronze unit with a 5-year warranty...
So why wouldn't it work?
Seriously, please think before you post something like that.
First off—your math isn't even accurate, let alone complete. If you calculate 250+84=334W, you’re still forgetting about the rest of the system—roughly 50W—which brings us to, say, 380W once we round up. That EVGA unit definitely can't reliably deliver all those watts it claims on the 12V rail, and the real question is how much load it can actually take before the whole system starts tripping out.
Secondly—no sane person recommends running any PSU above 80% capacity; it just heats up and gets loud. You need a quality power supply with at least 100-120W of headroom to operate correctly—plus, PSUs lose efficiency over the years anyway.
No sensible person would even consider that power supply, let alone pair it with a GPU that has such a massive TDP.
Just stretch those $33 and grab that Gigabyte card with 4GB of VRAM—it'll make a massive difference, and honestly, you’ll probably regret it later if you don't.
There is absolutely no way that R9 390 is going to run reliably on a Hyper 500W power supply—that’s just a basic unit, nothing special at all. I mean, maybe it would work on a decent 500W, I know some guy who runs an R9 290 on a 500W OCZ unit, though I can't recall the exact model—but it was a pretty solid one.
swiftfalcon89
Either go with a Gigabyte R9 380 4GB
Or the Sapphire nitro r9 390—the MSI model is just way too overpriced right now
Just watch out for your case when picking the R9 390; it’s either too long or it just overheats in smaller builds—honestly, a mainstream 550W 80 Plus Bronze power supply should handle it without any issues.
I wonder how Micro Center actually handles returns and how fast they swap things out—I mean, at a high-end retailer, you’d probably be waiting 7 to 10 days, so I doubt these guys are quite that efficient or accessible. Plus, you have to consider that almost all suppliers are doing inventory right now, and since most US computer stores follow suit, I wouldn't bother going anywhere until Thursday if I were you. Maybe just head over there tomorrow right when they open at 9 AM and try handing it directly to someone at the door.
Carl Turner2 said:I'm not exactly planning on hitting 4K—maybe just some World of Tanks at 1440p with the settings cranked up a bit
The real issue is that when you start dropping the resolution below native on those kinds of monitors, the GPU performance just goes straight down the drain—it's a total mess, I guess.
crimsonstag84 said:Don't you see the CPU usage in Speccy—and maybe those component temperatures too? 😛
As for the monitor, that Dell should be fine enough...
My brain was moving way faster than my actual common sense there 😵 Just glancing at it quickly—it honestly looked like some overly complicated setup from an Instar shop 😬
Don't even consider that—it’s way too much resolution for a card like that, not to mention how bad the screen tearing is going to be since you won't actually hit frame rates that match your monitor's refresh rate. Just stick to a standard 2560x1440p monitor—ideally one with FreeSync, maybe something like this https://www.nabava.net/monitori__90/...-led__17356731
Anyway, did you already pull the trigger on that PC and you're just upgrading the GPU now, or are you buying everything all at once?
What kind of power supply and case are you running?
Your GPU is probably at least a $1000 absolute bare minimum—especially since you're trying to push that 4K monitor, which, let's be honest, is basically budget tier anyway—you really should have just gone with a 27" 2K IPS instead.
Even if it performs better—which is debatable—it’s just smarter to pick a platform with a clear upgrade path... otherwise, you're basically stuck in a dead end where you'll eventually have to swap everything out.
EDIT: That CPU BOSS site is absolute garbage, honestly.
Well, for $200, an Intel Core i3 would be the way to go—mostly because all this talk about the FM2+ socket dying is basically a lost cause. Also, if you don't mind stretching the budget to maybe $1167, I’d honestly suggest doing that—it just makes sense so you can build everything out properly without having to cut corners or force things together.
Personally, up to $467 I wouldn't even bother looking at them, let alone dropping cash on a new GPU from a retail store. I guess once you hit the GTX 950, maybe it starts making sense to consider buying new—mostly because used GTX 760 cards are hovering around $400 with a warranty, while the GTX 950 is barely any stronger and costs an extra hundred bucks at the shop for a 3-year warranty, lower power draw, and less heat.