Ryan Fowler6 said:So, we’re supposed to believe there is such a thing as "real" karate versus "fake" karate? If you ask me, there was no esotericism in the original art. It seems to me that figures like Yamaguchi or Egami were the ones who introduced those mystical elements, blending in various Eastern philosophical or religious teachings that they personally found interesting. They essentially rebranded the practice to reflect their own specific visions. On the other hand, I suppose all that mysticism serves as a sort of magnet for people like you—those who are drawn to the idea of secrets, miracles, or the supernatural. It offers a convenient way to feel like you're achieving something profound without actually putting in the grueling, repetitive work required by honest training...
placidbison20, it might be best if you moved this entire discussion to a new thread.
What you call "mystical" or "supernatural," I consider totally normal, everyday stuff. And as for being lazy? Give me a break. I train six hours a day, plus extra conditioning. If you think Tai Chi is some easy walk in the park, let me tell you: most karate guys can't even hold a proper stance for more than ten or fifteen minutes without shaking, whereas I can hold it for an hour and a half, maybe longer. Let's get back to the actual point: we have sport karate, which is one thing, and true skill, which is something else entirely. We're talking about mastery here. You know damn well this stuff traces back to China, with techniques coming from Shaolin, which inherited them from Bodhidharma. If he wasn't a mystic, then who was? Plus, plenty of techniques come from Southern China, a place crawling with Taoist shamans and black magicians. Do yourself a favor and actually study Tensho and Sanchin kata. Between the eight Bagua palm positions in Tensho and all the Pinan stuff involving the five elements... you've got a lot of reading to do.