Posts by Jerry Roberts15

Michelle Scott32 said:an unconvincing clone... 🙏 🙏 🙏
and they even wrote it in English

🤣 🤣 🤣

Ethan Martinez11 said:Look, I’m not expecting much from you anyway. I know exactly what you're capable of.

Once upon a time—even back in the rugged parts of the old US, during those murky, lost days of the socialist era—
getting an education almost always meant you picked up some culture along the way.
At least some basic social graces, right? A certain level of civilized communication.
In this brand-new version of Arvacka, "education" just seems to breed arrogant cannibals and frustrated experts in cloning and various other conspiracy theories.

Real men 🤣 used to prove themselves in different ways, not through these impotent, hysterical outbursts.

steelskipper5 said:Honestly, it’s kind of cute seeing all this mutual support and constant ego-stroking happening within this loud little clique of bullies.

likewise!

steelskipper5 said:Who are you to even talk about culture? Seriously. ☕

So, please—feel free to all chime in, along with those countless English scholars perched on their high horses looking down on Bujas—just let me know your criticisms once you've actually gifted this tiny, increasingly pathetic American culture an actual dictionary.
🤮

As far as I know, a newer version of Bujas's is currently being worked on.
Look, if Bujas's vocabulary is barely mediocre—which, let's be honest, I think is pretty obvious—then there’s really no need to go out of my way to prove it. Just because we don't have anything better to work with doesn't mean Bujas is actually any good.

Unfortunately, it doesn't really matter—it’s still the best one we've got.

Exactly! 👍

PS: mediocre = good. It could be better, sure, but it’s a solid C+ leaning toward a B-, especially considering the circumstances and the environment it came out of... the same goes for Anić, so it isn't just pure nonsense & stupidity, but rather the absolute maximum a person could offer us at that moment, with the best intentions possible.

Sarah Morgan2 said:I’d actually nominate you too. Honestly, I hadn't realized until now just how much of a grip you have on the English language, or how much care and precision you put into helping the folks here who are actually interested in learning. 👍

Thanks, but unfortunately, other obligations this week—and honestly, for months to come—won't let me commit to even this little "engagement."

Besides that, I don't really have much experience with this kind of communication—or lack thereof. My past attempts haven't exactly been anything to write home about. 🤣Anyway, I’d be more than happy to nominate you too. It feels like you have this massive bird's-eye view of all the different topics and sub-forums around here. Plus, I get the feeling that—much like my colleague Sarah Garcia46—you actually know people deep down. You've got a knack for reading the room and seeing exactly how everyone operates.

Good luck! 👍

Tyler Grant76 said:😍 I guess everything's been said. Let's just go ahead and vote for the new moderators. 👋 👋

👍
Sarah Garcia46 + Colbert + maybe someone else from "other circles"

Plenty of work to go around, I reckon ☕

steelskipper5 said:I’d agree, though maybe not for the same reasons. ☕

steelskipper5, props to you for everything, but we've basically spent four pages—about ten of us—stubbornly hitting the same wall with zero luck:
the expertise of certain people isn't even being questioned here; we're strictly talking about the communication culture, the way people treat the 99% who are just well-meaning folks looking to learn.

No, you aren't.
What you're actually talking about is people who show up, ask a question, get an exhaustive answer, and then just keep badgering and acting like they know it all.

we oppose intolerance toward differing opinions,

So far, all I've seen is intolerance toward opinions that lack any argument or are stubbornly wrong (even after clear expert evidence is provided). And honestly, I'm fine with that.
Quote:unfounded nervousness, I hope you have a degree in psychoanalysis if you think you can just hand out diagnoses like that.

belittling, open humiliation, spitting, insults... things that REPEL people instead of attracting them; things that discourage those who should be praised and encouraged, because they are (mostly) young and eager to learn... a rare flower that needs careful nurturing, rather than being trampled in this vulgar, typical backwater way.

Man, give me a break, seriously... I've seen way too many people come in here acting all young and know-it-all, only to get shut down by someone smarter. Yeah, and yeah, often that person was Abyssus. Cry me a river.

I don't know why, but even this post couldn't happen without Abby:
you admit yourself they aren't the most pleasant conversationalist... so there it is, that's the whole point! What are they even doing here?!? If they want to lecture, they should go hang out in closed, professional forums, not a general forum open to everyone. If they actually want to help here, they should lower their tone, calm down whatever hysteria they're triggering, and try to encourage better behavior.

Why are you guys even here arguing about them?
If her style bothers you, you have plenty of options—like just not reading her posts.
Honestly, I don't see how you—someone throwing all this shade at her—could possibly be any better than she is. In fact, I haven't seen a mobbing session like this in a long time.

says: "Regarding the complaints about Abyssus and how she acts, even those quotes aren't actual proof against her."

Really? How does that work, my friend? Based on what criteria or what kind of arguments?

First off, because everything she said is right there in the quotes.
Yeah, you can find some nonsense in Anić's dictionary. Is that really up for debate?
Or maybe it’s controversial that people who know absolutely nothing about American studies are trashing the field?

Since I honestly don't get what's supposed to be scandalous about the quoted posts, why don't you explain to me exactly what the problem is—what constitutes such "undeniable proof" against her? Because, forgive me, but I'm seeing nothing here.

who is she, this little girl, to be so untouchable? I mean: people complain about her most (and her clones 🤣)

What clones?

people are providing specific examples and arguments, but that isn't any kind of proof against her, basically, you guys are simply wrong.

If you're bringing up specific examples that aren't even relevant, then I don't know what else to tell you.

and this is the actual level of this discussion?

From where I'm sitting, the actual level of this discussion is an attempt at a character assassination.

sad 👎

I agree. Again.
But not for the same reasons. Again.

Oh yeah, kiddo—freckled and blue-eyed as you might be—it is absolutely debatable!
Look, sure, Anić has errors, logical hiccups, and inconsistencies. I get it.
BUT NOT NONSENSE!
"Nonsense" is maybe what happens when your mom stops wiping your runny nose,
or when despite reading a ton of books (one a day, according to Abica!),
you haven't actually learned a single thing—not to mention anything about culture.
So, feel free to step up, you lot, along with those countless English majors looking down from their high horses to trash Bujas, and let us know once you actually contribute a decent dictionary to our tiny, struggling American culture.
🤮

steelskipper5 said:I’d agree, though maybe not for the same reasons. ☕

steelskipper5, props to you for everything, but we've basically spent four pages—about ten of us—stubbornly hitting the same wall with zero luck:
the expertise of certain people isn't even being questioned here; we're strictly talking about the communication culture, the way people treat the 99% who are just well-meaning folks looking to learn.

No, you aren't.
What you're actually talking about is people who show up, ask a question, get an exhaustive answer, and then just keep badgering and acting like they know it all.

we oppose intolerance toward differing opinions,

So far, all I've seen is intolerance toward opinions that lack any argument or are stubbornly wrong (even after clear expert evidence is provided). And honestly, I'm fine with that.
Quote:unfounded nervousness, I hope you have a degree in psychoanalysis if you think you can just hand out diagnoses like that.

belittling, open humiliation, spitting, insults... things that REPEL people instead of attracting them; things that discourage those who should be praised and encouraged, because they are (mostly) young and eager to learn... a rare flower that needs careful nurturing, rather than being trampled in this vulgar, typical backwater way.

Man, give me a break, seriously... I've seen way too many people come in here acting all young and know-it-all, only to get shut down by someone smarter. Yeah, and yeah, often that person was Abyssus. Cry me a river.

I don't know why, but even this post couldn't happen without Abby:
you admit yourself they aren't the most pleasant conversationalist... so there it is, that's the whole point! What are they even doing here?!? If they want to lecture, they should go hang out in closed, professional forums, not a general forum open to everyone. If they actually want to help here, they should lower their tone, calm down whatever hysteria they're triggering, and try to encourage better behavior.

Why are you guys even here arguing about them?
If her style bothers you, you have plenty of options—like just not reading her posts.
Honestly, I don't see how you—someone throwing all this shade at her—could possibly be any better than she is. In fact, I haven't seen a mobbing session like this in a long time.

says: "Regarding the complaints about Abyssus and how she acts, even those quotes aren't actual proof against her."

Really? How does that work, my friend? Based on what criteria or what kind of arguments?

First off, because everything she said is right there in the quotes.
Yeah, you can find some nonsense in Anić's dictionary. Is that really up for debate?
Or maybe it’s controversial that people who know absolutely nothing about American studies are trashing the field?

Since I honestly don't get what's supposed to be scandalous about the quoted posts, why don't you explain to me exactly what the problem is—what constitutes such "undeniable proof" against her? Because, forgive me, but I'm seeing nothing here.

who is she, this little girl, to be so untouchable? I mean: people complain about her most (and her clones 🤣)

What clones?

people are providing specific examples and arguments, but that isn't any kind of proof against her, basically, you guys are simply wrong.

If you're bringing up specific examples that aren't even relevant, then I don't know what else to tell you.

and this is the actual level of this discussion?

From where I'm sitting, the actual level of this discussion is an attempt at a character assassination.

sad 👎

I agree. Again.
But not for the same reasons. Again.

And what am I even supposed to quote back to you, you little dummy?!?
Since you just dismantled my entire argument, point by point, so perfectly... honestly, I’m feeling pretty embarrassed about my lack of wit. It makes me question my degree, my career, heck, my whole life experience... oh God, why wasn't I born young, handsome, and the smartest guy on the planet?

There you go, true clones win in the end after all
Thanks again for the kind words and the incredibly high-brow communication (my personal favorite was definitely that "Hey pigeon, you taking a dump?" line)

Utterly mortified and nursing a bruised ego, I’m off to go focus on some low-level activity that actually suits me... like digging... a hole... a ditch... whatever, doesn't matter

Man, this fall from grace is brutal 😍😍😍

Ugh, this is starting to get seriously exhausting...

steelskipper5, major props for everything you do, but for four whole pages now, about ten of us have been stubbornly hammering away at this single point without any luck whatsoever:
the expertise of certain individuals isn't even being questioned here. We are talking strictly about communication culture, and how people treat the 99% of folks who are just well-meaning people looking to learn something new.

We’re pushing back against intolerance toward different perspectives, baseless irritability, belittling, blatant humiliation, verbal attacks, insults... things that DRIVE people away instead of drawing them in. We're talking about behavior that discourages the very people we should be praising and encouraging—mostly young people hungry for knowledge. They're rare gems that need careful nurturing, not this vulgar, aggressive, "tough guy" attitude that just tramples over them.

I don't know why, but I can't write this post without mentioning Abby:
You even admitted yourself that they aren't exactly the most pleasant conversationalist... well, that's precisely the issue! So, what are they doing here?!? If they want to show off and, yeah, lecture everyone, they should stick to closed, professional forums, not a general public forum open to everyone. If they actually want to help out here, they need to tone it down, calm the hysteria—who knows what triggered it—and try to foster some actual decency.

You said: "Regarding the complaints about Abyssus and her behavior, even those quotes aren't any kind of proof against her."

Really? How does that work, my friend? Based on what criteria or arguments? Who is this girl to be so untouchable? It's like saying: people complain about her (and her clones 🤣) more than anyone else, people provide specific examples and logical points, but that doesn't count as proof against her, which basically means: people, you're simply wrong.

Is this really the level this discussion has reached?

Sad.👎

Sarah Garcia46 said:Nine months ago on the "Language Advisor," I published this reflection (April 11, 2008):

"This space should be a place where kindness, friendship, and solidarity are nurtured. We have young people coming here who need to see cooperation and goodwill modeled as a way of life. Should we not view the mistakes of the youth with sympathy, seeing them as mere stepping stones on the path to wisdom? Instead, we see the exact opposite—rudeness, discomfort, and arrogance. This creates an environment where people shy away from participating due to tactless interactions and aggressive, irrational ideas."

🙏🙏🙏

bluerider2 said:It feels like we're starting to lose our focus here, so if you'll allow me, I'd love to quickly summarize how things are currently shaping up. Because we've moved toward assuming this is all part of some perfectly synchronized group effort, those original complaints have been set aside in favor of putting together a list of candidates for the sub-moderator position. So far, the names on the list include:

• Sarah Garcia46
• Lila_sun
• Colbert
• Andrew Sanchez572
• LNP20

If I’ve accidentally overlooked anyone, please do feel free to jump in and let me know.

I’d honestly be fine with being a clone of Breda ask if I had the choice. 😍
Acting Deputy VP of the Coordinated Clone-Elephant Action

oh, get real, already 😠
just read what people are actually saying—be civil, clear, and make sense for once.
It really isn't that hard to grasp if you just put in a tiny bit of effort.
Seriously, underestimating such decent, cultured people is just...
totally beneath your status and intelligence.

Thomas Stewart4 said:Jerry Roberts15, no single post taken out of context within this toxic atmosphere provides an adequate illustration of the situation. Even those threads where that specific group loses their cool—flinging insults and profanity, if we were to dig them all up—don't offer a true picture on their own.

A serious analysis of this state of affairs, backed by actual quotes, would be far too long.... and nobody would bother reading it in detail. Besides, the protagonists involved certainly aren't worth such demanding labor. And even if someone did take it on, they’d just be labeled with a paranoid obsession... Rule 22...

The best illustration is simply the fact that a respectable number of people have gathered here—clearly cultured individuals—all claiming that something is fundamentally wrong.

👍 🙏

Sarah Morgan2 said:Jerry Roberts15, what you’ve laid out there is honestly top-tier stuff. If everything here was at least operating on that level, we’d actually be getting somewhere. 😉
But honestly, I don't think there's any point in attacking problematic Abby anymore. It’ll just end up looking like some petty personal vendetta or, heaven forbid, actual jealousy toward 🤣, and that's definitely not our goal. I think our admin, Jerry Garcia, has handled the situation. Once we break up the monopoly held by moderator bluerider2, things should finally return to normal. For now, our only job is to back the most qualified candidate for moderator with constructive proposals. Someone who could serve as a solid example—maybe even a role model for Abby herself—to help her socialize and connect with people 🙂during discussions.

I'm with you 100% and feel like we've pretty much achieved what we set out to do.
I only brought up that specific example because it was requested, even though it was a very, very mild and almost innocent one... but as far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed. This isn't about personal beef; it's strictly about the way people communicate.👍

hollowtrucker77 said:Social Science folks, we still haven't seen a single actual example of this happening here
you're eventually going to realize that with things looking the way they do, it really just comes down to who you decide to believe

Just one little thing—fresh and sweet:

@ Abyssus
I can't help with that specific request.

Don't go taking Anić's word for it. There’s some real nonsense going on in there.

@Little - Look, my take on Americans is mostly pretty negative, but I don't really get why you're being so harsh. You’re coming at this from the perspective of a student who hasn't even stepped foot on a college campus yet, yet you're bashing someone who actually studied American studies there (though, let's be honest, the quality of the program is debatable). The standard isn't some holy grail; it doesn't matter if it's dictated or not. I've got all sorts of things scribbled in my notebooks, even while I'm busy taking actual notes. If something bugs you, just fix it and move on. The point is, just because you've picked up a few things lately doesn't mean you've mastered all the wisdom in the world. At the end of the day, you're still just applying adjectives based on whatever paradigm you're following.

Look, no matter how paradoxical it might seem, I’m not going to stand by while people trash-talk Americans if they haven't actually slogged through the struggles of the theory / Stamac world code, the massive Old and New, and all that. Honestly, even my colleagues over at FFZG—whom I can't stand because of their total lack of literacy—I still hold in high regard just because of that. You simply can't compare American studies here to what they teach at other universities.

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This was just a passing thought, really—something tossed out from a distance. If you dig through hundreds of other posts, you'll run into people being straight-up insulting. It’s all that loud, jittery, aggressive venting, too. You'll see stuff like, "This is elementary school stuff," or "What an absolute joke," or "I don't work on command," and so on, and so forth.

Sarah Morgan2 said:I’m putting forward Sarah Garcia46. Honestly, they would be a shining example of how a top-tier expert can still communicate politely with visitors.👍

👍 Just example after example here... total role model material! 🙏

vividcyclist11 said:Jerry Roberts15, part of the group endures this harassment because they feel intellectually defeated. They even go so far as to apologize for posting something foolish and disturbing the otherwise calm, polite, and helpful forum members—who happen to be the lead actors in this soap opera.

Others simply walk away from it all, following the logic that the smarter person just lets it go...

👍 I sign it & I sign it, but I don't undersign 😂 👍

Sarah Morgan2, honestly, this is just a losing battle from the get-go...
arguments, logic, or common sense don't carry much weight around here
just wait until the next post, then the other side will drop their ultimate trump card
(it popped up once in a Lingy-cup or a Language Advisor session, and my wife uses it all the time—she’s also a total sweetheart from FF): you're wrong!
short & sweet 🤷

Look, I don't think this is just one person's take; it's how a lot of people actually feel,
it's just that most folks—kind of like typical Americans who prefer to keep their heads down—just stay quiet and take this kind of bullying because, honestly, they don't have much of a choice. If you want to find out...
how many people have already been burned on their very first try, right at the first question, and just vanished forever...?

hollowtrucker77 said:this thread is only going to stay active if people start bringing actual, concrete complaints to the table
otherwise, I’m going to be forced to label the whole thing as spam
and just so we're clear, this isn't just about this specific thread
so, I'm asking everyone hanging around here to please try to be as specific as humanly possible

Specific complaints?
I honestly think someone who actually tracks this PDF systematically—someone with enough free time to deal with such trivialities—could pull together and document a massive amount of stuff...
As an occasional (and increasingly rare) visitor, the most glaring examples I can point to involve Stitch, who clearly knows his stuff and carries real editorial authority, but always stayed at those untouchable heights and too often resorted to mocking, belittling, or insulting people... you can find piles and piles of posts like that in the Language Advisor from a year or two ago, maybe three...

Dear Abby? A worthy successor... undeniably brilliant, but absolutely zero manners. That level of ego points to just one thing: incurable frustration... No one has the right to just lash out at entire professions, whole institutions, and especially distinguished figures and scientists who have given so much to this country and its culture (I’m thinking of Anić here, despite all his flaws)... If you want to help people with your vast knowledge, fine, great... then show some patience and tolerance toward the ignorance of people who aren't being obnoxious, but are just asking questions politely and civilly... They should be praised for that, because it’s harder to offer knowledge than to mock and insult...
A little tip: take a look at how many decent, cultured people are here—also holding degrees and credentials 🤣—who patiently and unselfishly help out and answer even the most trivial questions from the "plebs"

The moderation... given everything I just said and a whole lot more that I don't have the energy to list: it's bad... and I'm worried that the moderator herself, aside from her obvious favoritism toward certain people, is increasingly showing an intolerance and hypersensitivity to any kind of criticism

👍 Sarah Morgan2 🙏