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Ethan Martinez11 said:I don't play stupid games. And that’s exactly where the issue lies. ☕
Ethan Martinez11 said:Maybe you should ask yourself if you’re becoming a nuisance, along with your group of clone colleagues. ☕
Bellwether, while you're at it, check the IP address of Jacob Thompson76's diligent lawyer, please. She clearly seems spooked, so find out if her fear is justified. I suspect it is, though my paranormal abilities aren't quite as sharp as hers—since she can apparently not only predict the future but also accurately profile everyone on Social Science after just fifty posts (we were discussing moderator objectivity, the good intentions of old-timers, or the motives of those popping up like mushrooms after rain despite their post counts and join dates making their true purpose obvious)... anyway, verify my assumption. And maybe reward her for all that effort.
Thanks.
Justin Newman38 said:I'm posting this here instead of on the SS forum because I'm still trying to play it safe...
Ashley Lopez75 said:Bellwether,
Could you please explain your claim that Haremszoon is just a clone of someone who was previously banned?
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One could easily get the impression that you can just label anyone a "clone" and then use it as an excuse to permanently ban whoever the moderators don't like.
Michelle Johnson16 said:Have some patience 😉 There is no need to start new threads; just reply to existing posts.
bluerider2;18427183 said:Look, instead of actually listing specific complaints, this is starting to look more like your usual style on Social Science: a whole lot of words, but very little substance...
It’s the other way around, bluerider2... It all started with general dissatisfaction... then the actual arguments started piling up. And there's a very clear reality in how many people have spoken out. That's the bottom line, if nothing else... Straight to the point... Data suggests massive dissatisfaction over at Social Science...
You’re doing it again... acting like some untouchable authority, deciding everyone else is just talking nonsense while you're the only one actually making sense...
Look, just for once, show some respect for others. That criticism you received wasn't meant to be malicious. I get it, it probably didn't feel great...First off: believe it or not, I don't personally know anyone from Social Science. At least, not that I'm aware of. So, all these claims about some connection between Stitch, Abyssus, and DementiaPraecox (Paul Price34)... who else did you drag into this? Some expert? steelskipper5? Colbert? Anyone else who ever dared to tell you that you were wrong? It just doesn't hold up. This is nothing more than one claim against another. Just try rewinding the tape a little...
Nobody claimed you knew them personally. That's irrelevant...
He keeps dragging in other names that nobody even mentioned... just seems like another attempt to shift the blame elsewhere. Take Sarah Garcia46, for instance. In my opinion, she’s beyond reproach. I’ve been reading her posts in this new thread about practicing English. She actually knows her stuff, she genuinely helps, and she isn't trying to act superior. You should take a page out of her book...
Sarah Garcia46 would have made a solid moderator...I banned Dementia early on once for acting out. Would I really do that if we were actually colleagues, buddies, or friends? Not unless we start diving into conspiracy theories... which, personally, seems pretty pointless.
There you go again, talking about something nobody else even mentioned...Since we’re already discussing Sarah Garcia46 and the sub-moderator proposal... At the start, I was told I wasn't competent in any aspect of Social Science other than linguistics. That was actually one of the core points discussed when deciding on a future sub-moderator: that they shouldn't be a linguist, but someone whose expertise or hobby lies in another field of Social Science, rather than language. Keep that in mind when reviewing the other proposals...
In any case, it would be better if Sarah Garcia46 were here. The way she demonstrates her competence is far more appropriate than yours...It seems to me that your complaints are, to put it mildly, inconsistent. bluerider2 doesn't swear—that’s wrong. Abyssus swears—that’s also wrong. I feel insulted here—based on comparisons, though that just shows we've actually learned a few rhetorical figures from Social Science. Every single attacker claims to be offended, the topic shifts back to Social Science, and when I ask for specific examples, I get hit with "we won't talk like that." The moderator deletes a post—not good. The moderator doesn't delete a post—not good again... Anyway, I'll set that aside. You're trying to express dissatisfaction in a very broad way, without providing a single concrete example...
You're playing word games again. Let’s be clear:
It’s fine that bluerider2 doesn't swear. But it isn't fine that bluerider2 feeds specific talking points to people who agree with her and sidelines others... (you can see examples of these maneuvers right here in your own post)
The issue is that bluerider2 doesn't call out those who insult others or use profanity.
Furthermore, there's the problem that she does everything in her power to make anyone she dislikes feel unwelcome.
Most likely, she would have suspended or banned the rest of us if we had given her even the slightest excuse. There were provocations coming from her side specifically designed to push things that way; it's a miracle no one crossed the line of decency.
That last part is purely speculative on my end.The causes, as usual, lie elsewhere. The first is the fact that nobody considers linguistics a serious science; instead, there's this general idea that anyone can just meddle in language.
That's the exact thesis Abby uses to justify her intolerance toward others. Personally, I don't think linguistics is any different from any other profession. People "meddle" in medicine, computers, law, and everything else too. In fact, people have every right to "meddle" in whatever interests them without running into the hostility of so-called "experts." Correct them, sure, but do it civilly. If it bothers you that people do this, then don't moderate a forum where such behavior is bound to happen and should be tolerated.The Language Advisor has been simplified that way—I didn't break it into several topics, which is untrue; it's still there, practically untouched. All participants were asked to post questions following it and potentially provide answers, rather than discussing their own opinions, as the latter is what the Lingy-cup is intended for.
The root of the people's dissatisfaction was cut short. Whether you did it for this reason or that, it's impossible to prove. But the fact remains that you chose this exact moment to do it, rather than any other. A diplomatic move, perhaps—but judging by the tone here, the resentment has already brewed too much for it to be effective.It would be interesting to see someone request help on the PZ regarding physics, chemistry, math... get an answer, and then have several people attack the responder with "arguments" like "the spirit of mathematical formulas" or "that works in math, but not in physics or chemistry." Not to mention how the same questions are asked a hundred times, and when the asker is advised to search the thread, they simply refuse. We once had a case where the same question was asked three times on a single page. You'll agree that this requires nerves of steel and patience. I have them, and I need them as a moderator; forum members aren't obligated to provide them.
Nerves and patience are required, I agree. That applies to every topic. I read other threads where I haven't even commented—those kinds of situations happen everywhere. And as for your nerves and patience... one gets the impression their range depends entirely on personal preferences.This isn't a matter of public interest.
It seems to me—though I won't go digging, as it's easily verified—that Abyssus has been repeatedly putting one specific individual on ignore. It makes one wonder if that person is just constantly cloning themselves to bypass the block...
To wrap this up:
I can testify, and it’s all written right here for everyone to see, that you have treated me with extreme rudeness and intolerance. And clearly, I'm not the only one who has experienced that from you.
But looking at the bigger picture—you don't strike me as someone who is "all bad." You clearly know your field, and you could perform much better than you have shown.
This isn't a witch hunt. Nobody is coming for your head.
An apology would be more appropriate, and certainly far better received by everyone here than these elaborations of yours, even if you are offering them in a tone somewhat milder than your usual style.
.... which, hopefully, means there's some positive takeaway from all this.
Sarah Garcia46 said:Exactly. And there is no desire here to mention those "senseless individuals" either. In fact, one of them is constantly disrupting the rhythm of Social Science. That is, of course, "Dementia praecox," a clone of "Paul Price34," whom LJES issued a lifetime ban to (in the "Asian Women" thread).
She is tolerated, and no one dares to oppose her because she is unpleasant (or perhaps because she is supposedly an "eminent professor"). Is it not surprising that you haven't noticed she is the very ulcer on Social Science?
No, it would be nice if you just left us alone if our society doesn't suit you.
Jerry Roberts15 said:Just one little thing—fresh and sweet:
@ Abyssus
I can't help with that specific request.
Don't go taking Anić's word for it. There’s some real nonsense going on in there.
@Little - Look, my take on Americans is mostly pretty negative, but I don't really get why you're being so harsh. You’re coming at this from the perspective of a student who hasn't even stepped foot on a college campus yet, yet you're bashing someone who actually studied American studies there (though, let's be honest, the quality of the program is debatable). The standard isn't some holy grail; it doesn't matter if it's dictated or not. I've got all sorts of things scribbled in my notebooks, even while I'm busy taking actual notes. If something bugs you, just fix it and move on. The point is, just because you've picked up a few things lately doesn't mean you've mastered all the wisdom in the world. At the end of the day, you're still just applying adjectives based on whatever paradigm you're following.
Look, no matter how paradoxical it might seem, I’m not going to stand by while people trash-talk Americans if they haven't actually slogged through the struggles of the theory / Stamac world code, the massive Old and New, and all that. Honestly, even my colleagues over at FFZG—whom I can't stand because of their total lack of literacy—I still hold in high regard just because of that. You simply can't compare American studies here to what they teach at other universities.
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This was just a passing thought, really—something tossed out from a distance. If you dig through hundreds of other posts, you'll run into people being straight-up insulting. It’s all that loud, jittery, aggressive venting, too. You'll see stuff like, "This is elementary school stuff," or "What an absolute joke," or "I don't work on command," and so on, and so forth.
Sarah Morgan2 said:I’m putting forward Sarah Garcia46. Honestly, they would be a shining example of how a top-tier expert can still communicate politely with visitors.👍
Tyler Grant76 said:Hey, Vojky The budo 🙂
Look, if bluerider2 had to address every single complaint about Abyssus... we could probably fill an entire PDF just for the Complaints section 🤷 I get why she deletes stuff or moves it to SIM, or even suggests starting a thread here; honestly, that’s all part of being a moderator.
As for those controversial posts, I imagine everyone would struggle to filter through every single one just to strip out the insults. Besides, even a perfectly clean sentence—meaning, zero literal slurs—can still be loaded with a malicious tone. And then you have to craft a response too. It's a total pain. 😁 😉
Either Abyssus will moderate herself or she'll just leave. 🤷 I doubt bluerider2 can do much to help.
hollowtrucker77 said:this thread is only going to stay active if people start bringing actual, concrete complaints to the table
otherwise, I’m going to be forced to label the whole thing as spam
and just so we're clear, this isn't just about this specific thread
so, I'm asking everyone hanging around here to please try to be as specific as humanly possible