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Jose White18 said:I won't quote everything, especially since you mentioned you aren't exactly thrilled about this "purge" either. Thanks for laying it out so clearly—you put into words exactly what I was struggling to express. 👍

So, let me get this straight: you all were just posting nonsense just to keep a thread alive that should have sunk a long time ago? 😵 Thanks for clarifying that even better than I did—you hit the nail on the head regarding why that switch should have happened ages ago. As for you old friends hanging out at your therapy sessions, that’s really not an issue at all. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from continuing to stay close.

Thanks for looking out, but that’s really up to the moderatorit. New users will be starting their own threads to kick things off. Everyone is more than welcome to join the conversation, but there won't be any live chat on those topics for the time being. 🙂

That’s easily the best euphemism for a chat I've ever heard. 😂 🙏
That whole grasping at straws thing doesn't really hold water with me anyway, but honestly, can you seriously not see the irony here?

Besides, why did the Topic even need to be shut down?
Give me one logical reason, if you can manage it.
And if you can't... 😍

Are we here for the forum, or is the forum here for us?😕

but there won't be any chatting on those threads for the foreseeable future. 🙂

Can I get just one sensible argument?

neonsailor58 said:Honestly, I have absolutely no clue what they’re trying to get at here. What is the point?

In my estimation, these discussions ought to be filed under ZUD so that the community can actually find their way back to them. That said, there’s absolutely no need to start foaming at the mouth over it. Honestly, I am struggling to wrap my head around some of these reactions. I mean, seriously—if you can let something like this get you this worked up, how on earth do you manage to navigate actual life problems?🤷

It simply isn't worth my effort.

I have said this many times before, and I was certainly not the most popular person for saying it, but I believe this Topic regarding affairs became OFF topic a long time ago. It should be the one place where I would actually step forward first if I ever found myself in a bind. Some people, thank God, did chime in. Especially lately, there have been pages upon pages of absolute nonsense. Honestly, I just couldn't bring myself to read through all that, watching how Zeli ends up in a complete mess.

Actually, because of those particular individuals, it might be better if things reverted back to ZUD. Not that I’m suggesting the current Topic is high quality—not by a long shot—but circumstances dictate a change.

When I open a new thread, whoever feels like posting can certainly do so. As for the moderators, they are right there, performing their duties to the best of their abilities.

If you honestly consider this to be oppression, or some kind of blatant disrespect, or whatever else you want to call it, then I can only assume you’ve lived a life entirely devoid of any actual hardship.🤷

The only real issue I see here is that newcomers are going to have a hell of a time tracking down this thread, especially if the posting frequency starts to taper off. Once the activity dies down, it’ll just vanish into the digital abyss. Beyond that, I don't see any other problems. As for myself, I can't quite tell if I've gone too far OFF topic, or if I'm being low-brow, or whatever else you all might say. Honestly, I've lost track of where I even stand.

I think I've said enough about this matter. We're done here. It was amusing for a moment, I suppose, but now it’s simply grating on my nerves. Consider this discussion closed.

All those pages of nonsense were really just an attempt to keep the Topic alive for everyone new coming in, and if you ask me, I don't see anything wrong with the old-timers hanging out and chatting like that. In fact, that whole process was part of our therapy, wasn't it?
If people couldn't even stomach reading that, how on earth are they going to manage when they get to the places where the arguments are actually flying thick and fast?
Do you really think any newcomer is going to step in and truly bare their soul?
Don't you see that the original Topic is basically dead, and we're all just using its name to keep things moving?

The only real issue I can see here is that it's going to be incredibly tough for the new folks to actually track down this thread, especially if the posting starts to dry up.

And even if they do manage to find it, do you really think they’ll actually start writing?
I can't quite put my finger on where I saw it just now, but I was reading earlier that one of the moderators mentioned how the exact same group of people has been showing up across all three of our main topics.
So what's the deal with that?

Does the forum rules actually specify any kind of limit on how many posts a single user can drop or how long they’re allowed to stay active?
And honestly, why don't you guys just issue us membership cards with an expiration date when we sign up?

Maybe if someone comes here to vent about a problem, you could take a quick look and estimate how much time they'll need to work through it or get over it, so you could just shorten the process for everyone involved.😢It feels so abrupt, you know, to just snatch away a precious spot and all those friendships in one fell swoop... it's truly heartbreaking.
hollowtrucker77 said:The threads haven't actually been moved; they aren't locked, they haven't been deleted, and nobody is being stopped from continuing the chat on them

Oh, fantastic!
Just keep going right ahead, 🤣

neonsailor58 said:Exactly.

Maybe if you had actually communicated this within the threads themselves—or better yet, before moving them—we wouldn't be seeing such explosive reactions.🤷

Personally, it would have felt somewhat more normal to see the usual bickering over the last few days. Or am I just not reading the room correctly?

You too!
(selling your soul like that😢, it really doesn't suit you)
Jose White18 said:If the ZUD PDF really relies solely on just three threads like you're claiming, then honestly, the whole ZUD might as well collapse along with them. It wouldn't be worth saving. Personally, I don't think it's that dependent, and I doubt it'll actually happen like that. 🙂

No one has had a single post deleted because of this move.
Nobody.
Not one.

Oh, I definitely think so!
And it's not just a hunch, either—I know for a fact you've got it wrong.
Don't you think all the other folks on this forum who have chimed in up to this point serve as plenty of evidence that you're mistaken?

Is it really that hard to just act like a decent human being and own up to a mistake? 😲
John Hill said:It wasn't clear, and honestly, we didn't let even one problematic person on ZUD get away with it. Especially since the whole debate was constantly jumping from one thread to another anyway, so keeping it all in one place would have been easy. First, there was the thread about cheating, then the adulteresses started complaining they were being targeted and demanded their own space. They split up, and some of them opened their own thread because they felt like they were whining too much on the original one. There were attempts from a few other groups—both cheated spouses and adulteresses—to start their own discussions, but we shut that down early on.
If we made a mistake as moderators, it was only because we didn't force everything to stay under one single thread from the jump.

What kind of "intense fighting" are we even talking about here???
Having different opinions isn't the same thing as fighting. And if things actually reach a breaking point, why shouldn't adults be allowed to argue it out?
And yeah, people did split off by topic, but only a handful of individuals were crossing over to the next topic... even if it became a widespread thing, it wasn't banned, and I don't see the issue.
Or what, are we supposed to treat people like sheep that need to be kept from wandering into another flock?


As long as everyone follows the rules of conduct, I don't see any problem with people posting in whatever threads they want. But we had threats of lawsuits, people sliding into DMs demanding we punish someone from a certain camp, and requests for moderators to act like judges in every debate. If we actually moderated, we'd just get accused of playing favorites based on who got penalized.

Is it really that hard? If someone reports a problem on a topic, just take a quick look to see what's happening.
If there aren't any reports, then everything is fine, and you can just go about your moderator duties in peace.
If there truly were that many reports and complaints about specific dialogues and debates, why was everything kept quiet?
And no, where we gather matters. How are we supposed to imagine opening a new thread? How are we supposed to run a discussion based on someone else's arbitrary rules and standards of what counts as adultery?
Basically, the cheated, the mistresses, and the adulteresses have no clue what they're talking about when discussing "cheating," so they need to be given a specific formula for how to talk to one another.
Seriously, I just don't get this move.

There were tons of reports via the icon and through DMs. On a forum this size, there isn't a way for us to notify every single member saying, "Hey, heads up, there's constant fighting going on in those three threads." This forum is too massive for that.

The only rule we expect is no insults, and that was impossible to maintain across those three threads.
Opening one thread shouldn't have been an issue, since the conversation was migrating between topics regardless.

So, how exactly did you all envision that playing out? I mean, really, what was the grand design behind it all?

As long as everyone is playing by the rules and keeping things civil, I honestly don't see any issue with people posting on whatever topics they feel like, right? If we're all following the guidelines, why should it matter which thread someone chooses to jump into?

So, I have to ask, if that's the case, why on earth did you guys go ahead and ban us from posting on ZUD in the first place?

Honestly, I can't help but feel like this forum is just way too massive for a conversation like this, don't you think? It feels like we're trying to hold a private chat in the middle of a packed football stadium during the Super Bowl, where everyone is shouting at once and nobody is really listening to the nuance of what’s being said. Wouldn't it be much better if we had a smaller, more intimate space to actually unpack these things without the sheer volume of people drowning out the point?

Or maybe they're just too small?
Anyway, it seems like everything is just getting smaller and smaller, isn't it? 😢

The only real rule we were supposed to follow was to keep things respectful, but honestly, looking back at those three topics, it felt like achieving that was just an impossible task, don't you think?

Just a quick correction on something that was misstated earlier, because I really think we should get the facts straight if we're going to have a real conversation about this. Does anyone else feel like once a certain narrative starts spinning, people just stop checking the details? It’s funny how that happens, isn't it? Anyway, I wanted to step in here and set the record straight on that one point, just so we aren't all building our arguments on a shaky foundation. It's better to be accurate from the jump, right? 😍
So, that’s exactly what we managed to pull off—but I have to wonder, where is everyone actually living these days?

So, I'm starting up a new thread here, though honestly, I don't see why that should be any kind of issue, right? After all, our conversations have always been drifting from one topic to the next anyway, haven't they?

It looks like we've hit another snag with the accuracy here, hasn't it? It feels like we're circling the same drain again, doesn't it? Just when you think you've finally got a handle on things, another error slips through the cracks, leaving us right back where we started. Why does it always seem to happen just when things are starting to make sense? 🤣
It’s actually pretty interesting when you stop to think about it, isn't it? Back when all of that was actually happening, there didn't seem to be any real pressure or even a felt necessity to step in and establish some kind of order.
I truly believe we’ve managed to maintain a really civilized coexistence with our neighbors, which I think is pretty clearly proven by the fact that some of the folks from those neighboring discussion boards are constantly chatting with us online—people we actually sit down and grab a coffee with in peace and good spirits.

And here we go again... I can't help but wonder, what exactly were the rules or the specific criteria used to decide that we’ve landed in OFF topic territory?
With all due respect to everyone hanging out in the OFF topic section, I was wondering if someone could walk me through the best way to actually share my own struggles over there? It’s one thing to read everything else, but how does one even begin to dive in and actually stay in the loop without feeling like they're just shouting into a void?

So, I’ve been sitting here thinking about this one particular topic, and honestly, it feels like we're staring down three massive, burning issues all at once, isn't it? It really makes you wonder if there's even a fighting chance for survival at this point.

So, you guys would just lump cheating, adultery, and having a mistress all into one giant messy pile, wouldn't you? It’s like you're treating the whole concept of infidelity as this one massive, singular disaster, while completely ignoring the actual physical stuff—like someone getting ear surgery or maybe some liposuction—and treating those as if they were totally separate issues. You’d act like a botched procedure is its own isolated thing, separate from the breakdown of a marriage, and you'd bring it all up on ZUD, simply because, in your eyes, that's somehow the much more pressing concern, isn't it?
Thanks so much, everyone 🙂
You guys are honestly wonderful 👍
We’ve truly gone too far 👍
We already moved on from those soft blue hues and dyed everything pink 😍
Now, we're heading straight toward a scorching, fiery red 😂
We have officially kicked things off 👍
Let's keep this momentum going!!!! 😍
neonsailor58 said:I suppose every single post counts as a signature, doesn't it? 😁

eureka, wonderful!
Goodness, I wonder just how many of us are actually hanging out here... 😍
Carol Johnson4 said:Why aren't you filing this where it belongs—in the complaint book? 🤷

I mean, I’ll be there, posting on every single possible 😍
(Aren't you going to leave a signature? Or maybe just save it all for the complaint book?)
neonsailor58 said:I find myself wondering about that too.

Is it just that one thing, or could we actually count this as a first, or maybe even a second, signature? 😁
I really feel like moving all the heavy-hitting discussions over to OFF topic is basically the beginning of the end for them—it’s where they start losing their sense of purpose and why we even bother, and honestly, I think in the long run, it’s going to have the exact same effect on the Life for Two subforum too.

It makes me wonder, how is a newcomer—someone who actually needs a shoulder to lean on or some genuine support regarding a specific issue—ever supposed to stumble upon our topic if it’s buried way over in the off topic section? 😕

Not to be dismissive, of course, but I have to ask: what kind of logic are we using here? How is it that we don't belong on ZUD, yet topics like dealing with difficult in-laws, helping out parents, long-distance relationships, porn in a marriage, or even when a husband tells his wife she's mentally unstable... those kinds of things, which are individual struggles and often quite superficial or fleeting, are considered appropriate?
Are we eventually just going to be left with nothing but wedding planning and divorce proceedings?
There won't be any actual life captured in between those two extremes....😢

So, provided our dear Jose White18 doesn't decide to delete this thread on a whim, I’m asking anyone who feels the same way I do to please leave a comment to show support for "bringing back the outcasts, Jose White18 style." 😍