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A bit of a pleasant surprise, actually. I was pretty hyped after seeing the trailers, but once those reviews started rolling in and I saw the IMDb score tanking, I decided to skip the theater and the movie altogether. Honestly, the comments on here were enough to talk me out of even trying it... but then the other day, while I was hunting for a book at the local library, I ended up checking out the film. My brothers have already seen just about everything else, so I figured I might as well sit through this flop too (except for that bouncy ball thing, or whatever it was).

It’s actually a blast—really solid stuff. It captures that era of Hollywood perfectly with this subtle sense of humor. It’s basically just a day in the life of a studio head dealing with all the starlet drama he has to manage. Personally, Clooney has never really been my cup of tea, so he didn't do much for me here either.

bluenomad2 said:You aren't an exception. It’s normal for there to be fights between neighborhoods or small towns. The only difference is that those things don't make the news, whereas fan violence does. That's why you'll always see more coverage of a brawl between Walmart fans and the Rangers than a clash between Brooklyn and Spain or Brooklyn and some unknown area. If there aren't fans involved, the media won't touch it.

I agree.

When I said "us," I wasn't talking about me personally or just a small group... I meant society at large here in California. Anyway, I've always been more of an East Coast guy than a North Coast type. I've traveled enough to have seen my fair share of things (about 20 trips), but nothing ever turned into an ambush😁.

restlesssurfer97 said:With all due respect, I honestly think most people just couldn't care less about the fans. And let's be real, especially with everyone on this Reddit thread, we all know the league mafia is just using hooligans as a convenient scapegoat to distract us from their own shady business, but the idea that I'm going to start rooting for some guys brawling on the highway because of that just doesn't cross my mind. I really don't get where you guys get the notion that those types of people are actually going to take down the soccer mafia. Honestly, the sheep are the ones falling for those Trumpian emergency government sessions focused on "hooliganism" (which reminds me of that ridiculous chicken 😂😂), but the sheep are also the people who think we’re going to be saved from the Jerry Jones type of corruption by a bunch of guys fighting on the interstate. Or in stadiums. Or wherever else they feel like picking a fight.

I agree, but you're wrong about the social impact part. We could have easily stayed focused on winning championships for America and ignored the protests over the 101. Or we could have just stayed out of those unknown projects altogether.
The USSF mafia would only fall if there was a critical mass of fans behind it. There's just too much money being funneled from soccer into other sectors to actually dismantle a mafia that's basically built into the system now. Doesn't matter how many AT&T brawls happen.

bluenomad2 said:I’m highlighting these two comments specifically to expose your hypocrisy. You call me out for generalizing about fans, yet you’re doing the exact same thing to me. You’re so lost in your own bubble that you group anyone who says violence and brawling aren't okay right in with the people backing Jerry Jones.

Like bluenomad2 said, there’s no need to repeat this a dozen times. You aren't being direct in your response; you refuse to condemn those groups on AT&T, yet you still complain. No, fighting isn't "normal." Normal people don't do that. My own moral compass won't allow me to support those groups, just like I can't support Jerry Jones. Just because those groups share my opposition to Jack Welch, Jerry Jones, and every other criminal in this country doesn't mean I'm automatically on your side.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the "lesser of two evils" argument. Evil is evil. Figures like Jack Welch and Jerry Jones are the rot in this society. The hooligan groups and most of their followers are just part of that same decay. Like that guy who stormed the field with a stick—now everyone’s acting like we should support that behavior. The funniest part? You people aren't even against it; you're actually rooting for it.

I wasn't generalizing you, I was speaking generally. It just feels like everyone has something to say, some moral high ground to take, while most of them are doing way worse stuff in their private lives. I've noticed you always show up after some bullshit happens to play philosopher... which confuses me, because you leave a decent impression on other topics, but you're always around. I didn't think you were an idiot, just that everyone has an opinion, even if they don't really grasp what's happening.
It's not a problem that you're criticizing the brawl at AT&T. Anyone with half a brain would call that out. It's pure stupidity. They're putting drivers at risk, blocking traffic, someone could die... and worst of all, there's a real chance someone totally innocent gets killed in the crossfire.
I find all this sociological over-analyzing of two fan groups weird, as if our society is some kind of exception rather than the rule. We should be just as surprised by fights between small towns, neighborhoods, or people fighting over girls or politics.
In theory, no physical conflict is right, unless you're defending yourself, your family, or people nearby who are being threatened.

Noah Roberts46 said:Was he talking about general issues or specifically about the fans? Because if his whole point is just pointing fingers at other criminals, then yeah, fine.

Look, I’ve been right there in the stands. I know firsthand how much crap some people pull just because they love causing trouble, or because they have an inherent urge to steal and act like thugs. I’m not saying everyone is like that, but there are plenty of them. Is that "socially acceptable" behavior? Why aren't they being scrutinized just as heavily? It’s precisely because of these idiots that Mamić wins the battle. We all know who the bigger criminal is—we don't need to repeat it a hundred times—but the other side has the exact same flaws that should be ignored.

I don't get the first paragraph.
As for the second, it's not that attacking another group is "right." It's just that whenever people who have zero authority in their actual lives want to feel superior, they go after the fans. It’s the easiest target. You don't need a high IQ to see that picking fights over club loyalty is just low-hanging fruit.
Besides, the fan culture here is a massive headache, both because of how everything in America is falling apart—from sports and culture to the economy and the legal system—and because fan groups exist everywhere in Europe anyway.
Mamić isn't winning this fight because of some fan dispute; he's winning because the other side is acting like self-righteous hypocrites. Moralists with dirty hands...

Sure, every other social issue is perfectly easy to dissect from the comfort of an armchair, but fan violence? To our local American moralists, that’s just some inexplicable axiom of human deviancy...

bluenomad2 said:Here it is, just like everyone predicted 🤣 nothing but clichés and the same tired arguments fans always fall back on. But hey... apparently we have scientists, physicists, and PhDs among us 🙏 people who boast about it as if it actually matters. It’s pretty obvious that if there are any, their numbers are too pathetic to be relevant.

People use that line because most people on the other side think they're just dealing with bottom-feeders, so they approach the debate from some high horse. Usually, they're just talking down to idiots.
Once you actually look at human nature and get a real clinical picture of the average American—or the "citizen of the US," as you love to call them—you realize these guys don't have much to be ashamed of. In certain ways, they're actually the vanguard compared to this mindless, status-obsessed nation.