Posts by Joseph Thompson34

That’s all true, but a problem arises when it crosses that line of reality. When I watched those Nolan Batman movies, I got the feeling he didn't quite know what to do with all that realism. I could totally see him thinking, "Okay, let me try to make a realistic Batman for the real world," and fine, but then he realized he couldn't dose it properly because he had to throw in this guy or that guy, and then Batman has to use gadgets that wouldn't actually stand a chance against supervillains in real life. It bothers me, especially hearing people constantly say Nolan's Batman is great just because it's "realistic." I'd rather you just tell me they're great because they're well-directed or something. But realistically, it isn't, no matter how hard he tries to present it that way.

I always say with those films, "A guy dressing up in a bat suit, using all these different gadgets to fight criminals—including some guy with a painted clown face—can't be real." It can't happen in any world. Honestly, props to Nolan for even managing to sell that to audiences, and for people still saying ten years later that it's realistic. No, it isn't.

Ashley Bailey6 said:Batman is pretty much the only superhero franchise I can get into.
I guess it's because they feel the most grounded in reality.

Nolan really leaned into that serious tone with his final trilogy.

Deadpool was a decent break from all that, though.

That’s exactly why those three Batman movies are such a disaster to me. Honestly, I'd rather watch Wonder Woman, no matter how she turns out, than deal with Nolan's version of Batman. The guy puts on a bat suit to fight criminals and then this director tries to act like it's realistic. 🤣

For me, the best Batman is the one from 1989. It wasn't just a good movie; it was a great piece of Gothic cinema. These newer versions might try to be gritty, or the Avengers movies might feel epic because they have more heroes and special effects, but nothing beats Burton's atmosphere and his take on Gotham. And Michael Keaton was just incredible. 🙏

Jessica Gonzalez said:I guess I have about 250 copies of Alan Ford tucked away somewhere, including several of our original American editions from the 70s. I was absolutely obsessed with them when I was six, but honestly, I haven't read much since turning 20. Comics and stuff like that—especially those ridiculous American superhero movies—have their place, but I think that place is childhood. Maybe an adult who gets overly excited about twenty different superheroes in a CGI movie that's just mindless destruction instead of actual plot might be dealing with some issues. I know many people won't admit it, but it doesn't seem quite normal to me. Some call it escapism, but maybe it's more than that. It feels more like a refusal to engage with reality and real people living real lives. We laugh at people who believe the Earth is flat, so how are these movies any smarter than that? To me, these kinds of films are to cinema what the flat earth theory is to science. It’s basically just a compilation of various heroes from 15 different movies; it's essentially an advertisement for an advertisement. It's like a two-hour trailer designed to shop the audience for the next five years of "McMovies." And yet, I see folks on this forum seriously debating the merits and flaws of these films as if they were discussing "The Godfather" or "Citizen Kane."

I think you're just generalizing here. The Avengers aren't pretending to be anything other than adaptations of the comics people grew up with. They aren't trying to be *Citizen Kane*, and they don't need to be.

That flat-earth analogy is pretty silly, honestly. It would only make sense if Avengers viewers actually believed Hulk and Thor were real. Then the comparison would work. But it doesn't. By that logic, you couldn't make a single movie with supernatural elements because some people probably believe in ghosts. Anyway, my point is you're generalizing and judging. I don't think you realize how many intellectuals actually read comics. I'd bet anything on it. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson is a huge comic fan. So, what, does that make him a seven-year-old?

This is a great topic Comic-Con will still be around when I'm over 60.

Can you really not enjoy more serious graphic novels? What about Alan Moore? I'd suggest checking out his *Swamp Thing* run. It's one of the best things ever written in the medium. Maybe browse through Image Comics; they have some great stuff.

Here's a good list for 2017

And this is the absolute best of the medium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maus There are amazing things out there, you just have to stop thinking so narrowly.