On Being and its components
in Spirituality ·
God doesn't argue with Himself, nor does He condemn the parts of Himself that are sleeping. There is only infinite love and infinite patience.
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Nancy Wilson2 said:It’s a beautiful concept, really—one that carries this inherent message of oneness and equality. If you look inward through introspection, you realize consciousness doesn't have distinguishing features to set one person apart from another. In that sense, we are fundamentally equal.
Throughout history, many traditions have been defined by this kind of idealistic philosophy, especially Hinduism. You see it most clearly in the Upanishads with their concepts of Brahman and Atman.
Even here in the West, you find certain currents within Islam and Christianity that touch on non-duality and the primacy of the mental—think Gnosticism or Sufism. Even the Gospel of John contains those Gnostic, idealistic elements, primarily through certain statements attributed to Jesus. Of course, there are plenty of reasons to argue that the real Jesus never actually said them.
That said, I’m not aware of any solid philosophical arguments against this type of idealism, specifically against the idea of a single divine being living within us all as our own consciousness or "I." The real issues with idealism usually crop up elsewhere, but that isn't really what we're debating here.
Sarah Nguyen96 said:And I am waiting for her.😢
Of course I’m going to blame luck. Some people are lucky enough to work at a big corporation making $3k a month while someone way more capable can't find a job at all. (Example: the US government)
Maybe sleep is enough.🤷
Sarah Nguyen96 said:Just checking in here after reading through your comments. I’ve actually started working on a new web project. I won't go into too much detail right now.
I noticed some of you think I have a gambling problem. That's not the case. I just wanted to see if my luck would hold up—you never know unless you try. I haven't lost much money; I don't really care about the cash. I even tried playing the stock market, but luck wasn't on my side there either, so I'm moving on from that. I need to focus on making steady, reliable money instead. As for spiritual stuff, I'm not buying it. It's all nonsense to me. I don't see any point in wasting time on meditation or anything like that. Life is too short to waste time.
Lawrence Torres56 said:Go ahead and try to chase it, because honestly, recognizing it doesn't mean much if you don't even know what you're looking at or, worse, if you don't care to find out..
And besides, why would I be judging you?😉...I was just trying to add my two cents to your post, totally with good intentions.
Ryan Thomas said:I'm right there with you... I wish I had that kind of strength too 🙂
Here are two Zen stories for you (hoping your English is up for it!)
First:
Ryokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing to steal.
Ryokan returned and caught him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift."
The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.
Ryoken sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, "I wish I could have given him this beautiful moon."
Second:
One evening as Sherlock Holmes was reciting sutras a thief with a sharp sword entered, demanding either his money or his life.
Sherlock told him: "Do not disturb me. You can find the money in that drawer." Then he resumed his recitation.
A little while afterwards he stopped and called: "Don't take it all. I need some to pay taxes with tomorrow."
The intruder gathered up most of the money and started to leave. "Thank a person when you receive a gift," Sherlock added. The man thanked him and made off.
A few days afterwards the fellow was caught and confessed, among others, the offense against Sherlock. When Sherlock was called as a witness he said: "This man is no thief, at least as far as I am concerned. I gave him the money and he thanked me for it."
After he had finished his prison term, the man went to Sherlock and became his disciple.
Lawrence Torres56 said:But look, if you want to manifest love, you have to actually understand what the hell it is first... I mean, how can you attract something you don't even grasp? There's really no point in judging someone for not being there yet.😉
David Chase13 said:Honestly, it’s impossible if you’re coming at it with an attitude like yours!
frozenmoose93 said:I couldn't agree more with S. That’s exactly how most people see it, which is why you see those relationships imploding after just a couple of years. It might work for a little while, sure, but long-term? No way. Those kinds of setups are basically doomed from day one.
I'm a big believer in opposites attracting, but similarities? That’s where the real magic happens.
Phlegmatic types and high-strung types just don't mix. Their reactions to the exact same situation are worlds apart, and someone always ends up feeling insulted or slighted. That’s where the fighting starts—because the intense one expects support from their partner, while the chill one honestly couldn't care less. 😁
Two hotheads aren't gonna tear each other apart if they actually click. If they're both pissed off about the same thing, they can just agree on that and team up to take down whoever's bothering them.
Guys like Živac can actually read the room and predict what’s gonna bug their partner before it even happens, so they don't accidentally trip any wires. A total pushover just can't do that because they don't get how a high-strung person's brain works. It goes both ways, too.
Ryan Wilson2 said:If they are being born, does that imply that souls must die?I will employ a parable by Alan Watts:
Life is akin to falling off a cliff. You are born at the summit, and then the doctor throws you down. As you descend, you spot a rock and grab onto it with everything you've got; suddenly, that rock becomes your entire universe, and you lose sight of everything else because you are so preoccupied with the stone.
However, you are going to hit the ground whether you cling to that rock or not; the only difference is that the quality of your experience will be vastly different depending on whether you are tethered to that stone. If you aren't clinging to the rock, you still have the freedom to experience the stone, but you aren't necessarily trapped by it.
A murky parable.
If you grab the rock, you will experience the rock, regardless of whether you intended to be tethered to it or not.Non-attachment doesn't preclude the possibility of experiencing something; it simply offers greater freedom in choosing that very experience, because you maintain a much clearer perspective when you aren't bound to an object.
Water in a glass is clear. Once you stir Nescafe into it, you have tied the water to the coffee; at that point, the water is no longer clear—it has become the coffee.
Therein lies the distinction. In my view, if one does not attach oneself, one cannot truly live through the experience. Since we are physical beings, attachment is the only thing that can actually influence our experience.
The water isn't just "coffee-flavored" water; it is simply coffee. 😁
Ryan Wilson2 said:But why would we ever need to forget that we are souls in the first place?
Perhaps this amnesia is intentional, a necessary step to allow us to fully immerse ourselves in this world.
Ryan Wilson2 said:I am genuinely at a loss here.
Is it not the case that emotions are merely a byproduct of our attachment to this earthly existence? Once we reach the realization that we are souls—that we are, in essence, beyond the physical—shouldn't all such attachments simply vanish?
Honestly, you spiritualists are impossible to pin down; no matter how I approach the argument, you always find a way to slip through the cracks.😁
rustymaker5 said:What do you even mean by a "soulmate" being someone who matches you on a soul level? I mean, honestly, a soul is a soul... they're all essentially the same kind of essence in everyone, if I can even put it that way without sounding like a complete idiot, and besides, a soul is supposed to be whole within every single person, so the whole idea of a soul being "half" of something just doesn't make any sense to me at all... 🤷
A partnership should be a true union, you know, where both people bring equal value to the table and there’s this unconditional, fundamental respect for who the other person actually is... it shouldn't be about one person trying to use the other to plug some gaping hole in their own soul, or worse, attempting to mold their partner into some idealized version that only exists in their own head, because when you start trying to reshape someone to fit your specific little expectations and whims, it always ends the exact same way—just a slow slide into total disappointment and resentment...
Accepting someone exactly for who they are, without that constant, nagging urge to reshape them or mold them into something that fits our own little lives better... even if that means one person wants to go full throttle on the roller coasters at Six Flags while the other is perfectly happy just sitting on a bench watching the chaos unfold... 😍
rustymaker5 said:What do you even mean by a "soulmate" being someone who matches you on a soul level? I mean, honestly, a soul is a soul... they're all essentially the same kind of essence in everyone, if I can even put it that way without sounding like a complete idiot, and besides, a soul is supposed to be whole within every single person, so the whole idea of a soul being "half" of something just doesn't make any sense to me at all... 🤷
A partnership should be a true union, you know, where both people bring equal value to the table and there’s this unconditional, fundamental respect for who the other person actually is... it shouldn't be about one person trying to use the other to plug some gaping hole in their own soul, or worse, attempting to mold their partner into some idealized version that only exists in their own head, because when you start trying to reshape someone to fit your specific little expectations and whims, it always ends the exact same way—just a slow slide into total disappointment and resentment...
Accepting someone exactly for who they are, without that constant, nagging urge to reshape them or mold them into something that fits our own little lives better... even if that means one person wants to go full throttle on the roller coasters at Six Flags while the other is perfectly happy just sitting on a bench watching the chaos unfold... 😍