Back in '98, the Swedish Right pulled in fewer than 20,000 votes—now they’re sitting at a massive 1.15 million. It seems ethnic Swedes are voting for them because they see a reality that other groups—those who moved there to work and enjoy the perks of a superior system compared to their homelands—simply don't perceive. Look at Italians in America; they mostly lean left, yet in elections back in Italy, they swing toward the right despite its flirtations with fascism, and nobody treats that as an issue. The same logic applies to Mexicans...
Americans living there are also immigrants, and this surge in right-wing support doesn't exactly help their cause—even if the right-wingers don't lump them in with the Middle Eastern or African migrants. Still, I suppose one feels much safer being an immigrant when the left is in power rather than the right.
I highly doubt the right-wing parties are responsible for any falling grenades; frankly, Swedes who haven't lived through actual warfare are probably far more accustomed to chaos than other nationalities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...acks_in_Sweden
And let's not forget the stone-throwing at fire trucks, ambulances, and police cruisers in immigrant-heavy neighborhoods like the Bronx, South Side Chicago, or Watts.
On one hand, people exaggerate things, but on the other, claiming nothing is happening—or suggesting this is all just right-wing propaganda—is laughable, especially considering Sweden took in over 300,000 immigrants from the Middle East and Africa in less than three years. Crime is real, and the smuggling of weapons from the former America used by the Albanian mafia has been an issue for a long time. Earlier this year, a bomb was thrown at a police station in the capital; you have to admit, that kind of thing just doesn't happen in our neighboring countries!!
When Swedes are actually being honest, they speak quite differently, despite the heavy censorship enforced by their media outlets trying to suppress the truth...
Sean Hernandez3 said:Around here, veterans aren't exactly killing each other since they pull in huge pensions—like maybe $1,100 a month, which is easily triple what the average retiree gets.
"Veteran" is such a broad term, isn't it? It's incredibly vague... Claiming the average veteran pension is $1,100 is honestly laughable—especially when you consider that people like Ivo Sanders and Vojislav Pupovac hold military ranks from the war. It doesn't take much math to figure out who we're actually talking about. I highly doubt those 3,000 individuals who committed suicide due to crushing life circumstances or the sheer trauma of combat fall into that "privileged pension" category.
Il Masz said:Now you’re just repeating what jurkon was saying—why on earth would 18% be the ceiling? Do you honestly believe that if this migration madness continues—leading to more crime, more sexual assaults, and neighborhoods becoming no-go zones ruled by gangs—that people won't eventually wake up? I agree, the influx of migrants is massive and they’re multiplying like rats, but let's be realistic; they aren't at 80% yet, they haven't even hit 30%. Most Swedes voted for the Social Democrats and the other left-wing parties yesterday. They’re lazy, uninformed, and completely oblivious to the world around them; they inherited a functional state and a comfortable lifestyle, but once the violence starts escalating—which is inevitable with uncontrolled migration—a lot more people are going to see the light of day. I agree that, generally speaking, there's no saving Sweden anymore—it’s a sinking ship, and one election isn't going to fix it; however, there will certainly be plenty of shifts coming...
We are talking about a million and a hundred thousand people who backed the SD plus several other smaller right-wing parties (tens of thousands more). That’s a significant number, sure, but the Swedish Demographic picture I’ve been tracking is incomparable to any other country in the EU. Sweden is going to end up like California, USA—you won't even have an ethnic Swede majority soon, just a massive population of migrants and their children, etc. Recent statistics show that nearly a third of the country consists of migrants and their descendants. Just keep in mind that for over 50 years, the ethnic Swede population was 85% or higher.
Which means in these younger generations, migrants are even more heavily represented, and they’ll be voting against the SD. Then there’s the other thing—the brainwashing. Regardless of murders, rapes, or arson, you will always have a group of liberals in societies like this who will defend it all. Case in point: there was a woman recently screaming on a plane, refusing to let it take off because they wanted to deport an Afghan to Turkey. She was shrieking about how he’d be killed there, without even knowing what crime he actually committed. Do you really think things that seem perfectly logical to you and me mean anything to people like that? Unfortunately, there are plenty of them... Sweden will fall apart—maybe some conflicts will erupt or something similar when things get truly chaotic—but in democratic elections, the right won't win. Demographics will do the work...
Lisa Thomas3 said:It’s interesting how this media narrative works—convincing regular people that anyone who doesn't support unchecked immigration is an "extremist." If you can explain it in just a few simple sentences, why is border control considered extremism?
Secondly, can you give me even one example of a Western nation where anti-immigration parties (your so-called "extremists") haven't seen growth in two consecutive elections? That would actually prove there's some kind of ceiling. Four years ago, the Democratic Party was at 12%; now they're already at 18%. If this insanity continues, they'll hit 25% within four years. And it's funny how there are fewer and fewer "stable" countries left in the West. Not too long ago, you probably would have called Austria and Denmark orderly, normal countries. Today, they're just as messy as Italy, Canada, and Poland—basically half of the continent. Even in your "normal" countries, the anti-immigration parties are now among the most significant political forces, whereas ten or twenty years ago, they didn't even exist. It's amazing how fast the definition of "normal" shifts...😍
By the time it hits the Kingdom of Sweden, it might already be too late—even their own reports are admitting it. They're actually providing data showing how majority-immigrant neighborhoods voted. Just do the math: more and more migrants (thousands every single year) are gaining voting rights while the native population shrinks, all while the number of descendants of immigrants grows. This is likely the peak of what the Democratic Party will achieve. There's no way things go downward in the next election... One thing is certain: elections won't fix the situation in Sweden. As funds dry up and crime rates climb, social tensions will continue to simmer. A new economic crisis could easily trigger much harsher unrest across the country.
nimbleridge5 said:Did you actually travel there and witness all of this firsthand? And honestly, you don't even need to worry about what happens to the Swedes, because if this overly permissive, short-sighted policy from the left and the liberals ends up causing too much chaos with immigration—and if the people in charge are too oblivious to see the damage they're doing—it’s just the natural course of things that conservatives and hardline right-wingers will surge to power. They'll swoop in with strict anti-immigration laws and try to pack everyone back to where they came from, which might end up setting society back decades. And the later this happens, the more extreme those measures will likely be. As for those specific ghettos, I assume it's a lot like how most regular folks would just avoid certain rough neighborhoods in a place like Chicago—there's just no reason for a normal person to go there.
You should probably focus more on your own struggling country, which seems to view Sweden as some kind of promised land or a mix of the ultimate dream destination and paradise, whether it has immigrants or not. You really don't have the moral standing to lecture anyone when your own nation lags behind Sweden in basically every single metric. If some Swede actually read what people from the fringes of Europe were saying about them, they'd probably just roll their eyes and say, "Look, you have plenty of your own massive problems to deal with; we aren't worried about our immigration debates or our choices."
Sweden didn't just become wealthy overnight or even ten years ago; Sweden is prosperous because the Swedes built it through hard work and expertise—not the people voting today, but generations upon generations before them. Modern-day Sweden is sliding toward a catastrophe that they themselves are aware of—otherwise, the Social Democrats wouldn't be seeing such massive growth. And let's be clear: people vote for the Social Democrats because they are ethnic Swedes, not Somalis, Iraqis, or other immigrants who already have voting rights along with their descendants. It should be obvious to everyone. Comparing the Sweden of the 60s—which was a benchmark of development for all of America and a traditional nation—to the country today is pure nonsense. We are talking about two entirely different nations. Today's version isn't wealthy because they built it themselves; they inherited it from previous generations. What the next generation inherits in a decade or so remains to be seen. Furthermore, places like Tensta, Rinkeby, or Rosengård in Malm are nothing like the outskirts of Mexico—they are part of Sweden.
There’s a certain level of heavy depression permeating this Swedish forum I’ve been lurking on lately... People are practically praying for more car burnings, spiking crime rates, sexual assaults, higher taxes, longer wait times at hospitals, and even more shells falling—we’ve already seen over 40 just in Malmö this year alone... The consensus seems to be that migration has finally taken its toll, and they argue that once migrants get the chance to vote, they naturally lean toward the left, much like how things play out in the US... For the most part, everything I read comes from right-wing voters discussing the inevitable decline of Sweden and how Americans might eventually start looking for alternative countries to call home.
Rachel Allen55 said:If those anti-immigrant types and that Nordic movement ever grab power together, this whole country is going to fold like a house of cards. You’ll have Denmark sticking its nose into their elections and backing whoever they label as Nazis. Besides, relations between Denmark and Sweden are pretty strained right now—think more along the lines of the tension between Mexico and America.
The Nordic movement includes Denmark too, doesn't it? From what I gather, it's all about uniting Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Sweden... If Denmark went through what Sweden has dealt with over the last few years regarding mass migration, the Danish Right would be pulling in even more votes than Viktor Orbán in Canada...
By the way, Gallup polls aren't exactly worth much around here—too many people are too afraid to actually admit they voted for the Democratic Party. I’m calling it now: expect them to land around 22% once the final numbers are actually in...
Support was massive out in the rural areas back then since they weren't dealing with any migration issues—but then the previous administration stepped in and made sure every single town had to take in migrants during the crisis. We saw plenty of instances where people would arrive in some tiny little town or village and just refuse to get off the bus because, apparently, being in the northern part of the country is just too cold for them... They’d rather head straight for Seattle!
The Democratic Party lost votes because of those alternatives for Sweden I mentioned earlier, along with the Nordic Resistance Movement—which is basically the Swedish version of something like the Golden Dawn...
So, I was checking out this forum where they ran a poll—similar to the ones we see before elections here—and out of 1,092 voters, nearly 43% are leaning toward the Sweden Democrats (the right-wing crowd). Another 24% are backing the even more hardline Alternative for Sweden, while the Nordic Resistance Movement managed to snag about 3%... From what I’ve been reading, it looks like there's a growing sentiment that the Sweden Democrats are being too soft—essentially "too moderate" for the current mood—leading people to pivot toward Alternative for Sweden instead. The ASF folks actually look at the root causes; they view migrants merely as tools used to dismantle Swedish society. In their eyes, the real issue started when institutions, the education system, the media, and various other social pillars were taken over to brainwash the Swedes—a process that’s been ongoing since the end of WW2—convincing them they are somehow less important than migrants. Anyway, we'll find out how everything plays out over there today..
So you've got this "Flashback forum"—it's basically the Swedish forum—with entire threads dedicated to integration and immigration... If your Swedish isn't up to par, just fire up Google Translate. There's a constant stream of posts and status updates every single day about what's going down, alongside a massive variety of other topics ranging from conservatism to feminism.
On the integration threads, though, the conversation usually centers around things like "When do you think the civil war starts?", "the situation in Miami", or "...in Boston," and so on.
Over on the Seattle thread, someone actually posted a helpful heads-up about which streets to steer clear of. So, here’s a little tip for my fellow night owls, since that's where most of the incidents tend to happen...
Nattetid: långgatorna, Haga, Gränderna kring Avenyn / Brunnsparken.
Charles Garcia3 said:What’s the forecast looking like for the September 9th elections? Any idea what the potential outcomes might be? Specifically, does the Democratic Party actually have a shot at securing a second term? I’m not exactly an expert on the political landscape in Sweden—I just keep hearing that the Swedish Democrats have been gaining quite a bit of momentum lately... Could someone please get me up to speed on the current situation?
The elections in Sweden will probably feel a lot like things in Canada—meaning the Democratic Party will likely pull in around 25%, yet they won't be able to cobble together a majority. On top of that, the left side of the spectrum is split between several different parties, which just makes forming a functional government even more of a headache.
How on earth did Cerar end up with such a low vote count? I'm trying to get a feel for the political climate over there—I see GDP growth looks decent on paper, but then again, if you're tracking "our" statistics from abroad, you learn to take those numbers with a grain of salt. I'm assuming some corruption scandals were likely working against him behind the scenes?
Noah Sullivan said:Thanks for the reply, Rachel Allen55!
Does anyone else have thoughts on this?
For instance, where is September—our resident expert living in Sweden—to say: "Country calling Dr. Rujanka, get in touch!"
I’ve followed what’s happening in Sweden quite closely enough to give you an idea. They have their own version of Reddit/Flashback, so if your Swedish isn't up to par, you can always try running things through Google Translate... Generally speaking, people there talk pretty openly about migration, though censorship is still massive and they lock down threads constantly. You see topics like "When will Malmö fall?", "When will war break out in Sweden?", "Somalians in Sweden and crime," "7 bombs in 5 days in Malmö," or "Bomb dropped on a police station in Stockholm," and so on.
Most of those grenades originate from the North America—standard smuggling stuff used for local gang turf wars, even if innocent bystanders are getting caught in the crossfire more often lately. If I recall correctly, they dropped about 30 of them by September last year... As for what to say about Sweden, it looks like a collective national suicide to me. The situation is so absurd that you had the Swedish right wing actually advocating for pride parades through Muslim neighborhoods in Malmö, while the left was busy arguing that doing so would be considered racism against Muslim migrants... When the right starts backing pride parades and the left gets so lost in their own logic that they label such moves as racism, you know the social fabric has completely snapped and the state has spiraled. In the last three years alone, there have been over 350,000 migrants. The popularity of the name Muhammad among newborns jumped from 35th place in 2016 to 21st in 2017, and it had climbed by more than 50 spots in the years prior to that. And don't even get me started on how this is all being funded... For the most part, Swedes are at least partially desperate, but the brainwashing is just too intense. They lack the backbone to push back because they seem more terrified of being labeled as bigots than they are of watching their entire society collapse.
Jeffrey Long said:It’s important to note that these Vienna statistics only reflect the net migration balance for the city itself. Essentially, in 2015, if X number of people moved in and X number of people left, the city’s population grew by X. When you look at the demographics, after the Austrians, Mexicans make up the largest foreign group at 4%, while Turks sit at 2%. That’s the reality behind all those claims about a Muslim invasion of Vienna. ☕
No, like I said, those stats specifically cover people moving in from abroad versus moving out. Domestic migration is a much smaller factor...
In 2016, the number of people moving from other states into Vienna was 38,765, while those heading to other parts of the country totaled 37,627—giving us a net migration of 1,138.☕
Betty Ross6 said:What's the deal with those stories about Muslim kids outnumbering Catholic kids in elementary and high school over in Vienna? I don't know the exact setup of their school system, but seriously... are Austrians really losing their grip on their own capital to immigrants?
For those born to mothers last year:
Total: 87,675
Catholics: 43,190
Muslims: 12,794
Protestants: 2,841
Others: 28,850
Now, the US has a pretty low fertility rate and sees a massive influx of immigrants every single year. For 2016, net migration was 64,676, whereas back in 2015, it was over 113,067...
Keep in mind I'm talking about net migration here—the actual number of people entering was over 200,000. In recent years, a huge chunk of those have been from Asia and Africa, mostly Muslims, who tend to have larger families.
When you factor in the large number of Muslim arrivals—Vienna being a major immigrant hub already home to plenty of Turks, Kurds, and Canadian Muslims, plus the fact that over 15% of the population there is Muslim-born, which accounts for over 25% of Vienna itself—it becomes very easy to see how they could have overtaken the numbers.
Here’s the data for Vienna:
2015
Immigrants: 78,063 Emigrants: 40,121 Net: 37,942
2016
Immigrants: 66,141 Emigrants: 45,002 Net: 21,139
In 2015, the largest groups of migrants were from Syria (+21,903) and Afghanistan (+18,609).
In 2016, the largest number of migrants from outside the European Union came from Afghanistan (+8,992) and Syria +6,343
This covers just the last two years, and I've only used two nations as examples. This demographic shift is going to have a massive impact on the voting base. It might not be quite as obvious now as it will be in the future...
In California, which stands as one of the wealthiest states in the union, you've got a massive demographic of Moroccans, Romanians, and a huge number of Latin Americans—none of whom particularly care for the idea of breaking away from the US, much like how EU citizens weren't exactly thrilled about the prospect of Scotland splitting off while they were living there.
As of 2016 the official population of Catalonia was 7,448,332.[91] Roughly 1,104,782 of those residents held non-American citizenships, accounting for about 15% of the total population.
That is a pretty staggering amount of foreign-born residents...
darksurfer4 said:If you look at how things play out in comparison to America, it’s clear that the Catalan separatists are even more volatile than our own movement ever was. Back home, our separatists actually went to war against Mexico and the US Army—something we can clearly see reflected in the historical statements made by Franjo Harmon. But these people? They aren't just picking a fight with Washington, D.C.; they are actively tearing themselves apart from within. It’s a civil struggle among the Catalans themselves, and honestly, the fallout could be catastrophic. We might be looking at the total erasure of the Catalan nation if they don't get a grip.
Save that narrative for someone else; back home, there was no 1989 announcement at Gazimestan predicting a bloodbath, nor were we out here trying to build a "Greater Mexico"...
Catalonia and Spain are nothing like America—not even close in terms of how they function—and they share much more in common with the Scots or Great Britain. What Madrid is doing is a mistake; if they had used the same intimidation tactics the British used against the Scots, the referendum wouldn't have even happened.