Posts by Brandon Gomez2

Hey, look, I’m not about to marry Lenin or Trotsky. I’m seriously blaming the YouTube algorithm for these suggestions.

So first you start off claiming there isn't even 10x more sexual assaults because of immigrants,

Look, I’m still standing by that and asking someone to actually show me where that's written! Everything you find online shows it's way more than 10x (in some cases, it's up to 38x), and nobody is saying violence itself spiked—it's the reporting that went up, and absolutely nowhere does it list migrants as the cause.

then you move on to how "no-go zones" don't even exist

...and then I found those links you sent where the police claim these are just high-crime areas, but they don't have parallel governments or issues with patrolling. Plus, you even included that guy apologizing for coining the term "no-go zone" and saying he was wrong. Honestly, a Swedish no-go zone isn't much different from one in France, Egypt, or the United Kingdom; they last as long as the unrest does.

why would anyone attack a woman in a mini skirt in those same no-go zones?

Wait, did anyone actually attack a woman in a mini skirt in those zones, or are these attacks just limited to reporters from 60 Minutes Australia and Breitbart? Look, there was unrest, there were shootings at police stations, there were sexual assaults at festivals—but nobody is brave enough to anonymously say, "It's all because of migrants." Not least because even though there's a clear tendency toward crime among migrants, festive Swedes still account for about 80% of reported crimes.

nimblemaker5 said:Because of this...

That footage is actually from Rinkeby, not Rosengard. The real issue is that both spots are officially flagged as high-crime areas.

The local drama on this forum is basically how people are reacting to some TV crew going in there to stir the pot. They used some guy who blames migrants for everything and edited the segment to make it look like those two days of unrest back in May 2013 happen all the time. It's basically trying to suggest that walking alone at night in a mini-skirt in Rosengard is super dangerous.

And the police? They say there isn't even a case.

So, is there any actual proof that Rosengard is truly a death trap? Or is it just people misinterpreting stuff like "immigrants are four times more likely to be involved in crime" (ignoring the fact that Sweden's overall crime rate is tiny and the immigrant population isn't even a quarter of what you'd see in somewhere like Toronto) combined with the fact that Rosengard is an immigrant ghetto? It's like they're painting this picture in their heads of some immigrant rapist hiding behind every single bush.

BKB:

While in Malmö, we visited Rosengård-a “ghetto” and learned about the youth programs put into place there. The whole Point of The trip was to compare and contrast The Swedish and Danish immigration Systems and “ ghettos. Now mom and dad don’t worry! The Scandinavian conception of the ghetto is VASTLY different than that of the United States. The ghettos in Sweden and Denmark look nothing like those in America. In fact, if you did not know you were not told you were entering the ghetto, you would probably never know.

Can someone please walk me through what you mean by this? Why would just taking a solo night stroll through Rosengard be any more dangerous than walking somewhere else?

Michael Ortiz68 said:☕

Now you're just trolling me on purpose. I posted the video specifically to show the police chief admitting to the cover-up.

As for that ten-fold increase figure, that comes from a different source, which I already mentioned twice.

Go ahead and troll all you want, but it's not working. nimblemaker5 dismantled your entire argument, and he did it in several different languages.

My bad, I totally misread you there. Let me see if I've got this straight now: On August 2nd, you were listening to a radio broadcast and heard some stat about sexual assaults skyrocketing at summer festivals, but now that data has completely vanished from the internet? So, what, we’re just supposed to take your word for it?

ironranger67 said:I guess the truth is only found by those enrolled in various Serošev courses scattered across the globe? You know, the ones who hold hands and sing little peaceful songs? 😁

You can deny it all you want, but the internet tells a different story. There is an endless mountain of articles and essays regarding Sweden and its struggles with immigration. The frustration among the Swedish people is clearly ramping up.
Let's just set aside that specific slice of the population that has completely lost itself in Serošev's ideology.
They seem to feel they have to bow down to this sacred totem called "immigrants." People go so incredibly far out of their way to accommodate them that you really have to wonder if these Serošev followers even view them as human beings—I mean, when you explain so much, tolerate so much, and act with such extreme caution that you wouldn't treat a local that way, it almost feels like they're walking on eggshells just to avoid a sudden outburst of violence. 🤷

Take the internet, for example:

The Globe and Mail: This whole rape crisis in Sweden isn't what people think it is.

"Look, what people are saying is just a massive, massive exaggeration blown out of proportion by a couple of random incidents. To say this is actually tied to immigration? That's basically just plain wrong," says Jerzy Sarnecki. He's a criminologist over at Stockholm University who has spent his entire career digging into the data on crime, ethnicity, and age.

Look, it's true—on paper, the US reports way more sexual assault cases than almost anywhere else. But let's be real: it isn't because Americans are naturally more criminal. It's actually because we take feminism seriously here. Back in 2005, the Democratic Party administration pushed through a massive overhaul of sex crime laws, creating what is basically the broadest definition of rape you'll ever see.

Think about it this way: imagine your boss keeps rubbing up against you at work—unwanted, creepy stuff—once a week for a whole year. In Canada, you'd likely be looking at a serious sexual assault case. But under Germany’s much tighter legal restrictions? It wouldn't even count as a single case. Now, jump over to Sweden, and they’d actually tally that up as 52 separate counts of rape. It gets even wilder: if you have a few intimate moments with your spouse, but later realize you didn't truly give consent, in Sweden, that’s officially classified as six individual cases of rape.

(...)

Another thing you really notice is that nearly all the people being targeted in these crimes—especially when it comes to sexual assault—are foreign-born themselves. Sure, you see those massive, headline-grabbing tragedies every once in a while, but it’s not usually some story about outsiders hunting down local women. Instead, it’s more about how the American system itself fails these refugees, essentially setting them up to become victims.

Mark Harris66 said:Let’s talk about the hypocrisy of The Guardian—the very outlet Brandon Gomez2 treats like gospel.
I’ve been reading international press for years now. I remember pretty clearly how biased they were right from the start regarding HR...
Second: back in 2010, they started this media crusade against Bashar al-Assad—basically laying the groundwork for the attack on him. And honestly? War broke out in Syria, and we’re left dealing with this entire refugee and migrant situation because of it. So, isn't it a bit hypocritical for The Guardian to "weep" over their fate when they played such a huge role in prepping the narrative for the war in Syria??
Since last year, they’ve also been relentlessly attacking Iran, accusing the country of backing Bashar al-Assad and claiming they're all radical blah blah...

Let’s pivot back to Sweden for a sec, but since we’re already talking about hypocrisy... just imagine there’s some random online forum where people are debating the situation in Sweden. One guy jumps in and claims he read a report from the Swedish Police about these dangerous zones where they have zero control. But here’s the kicker: the actual original report says you can't even talk about such zones because the police don't even have issues with basic foot patrols there. Would you call that guy hypocritical, or is he just straight-up lying? Just asking purely theoretically.

Michael Ortiz68 said:I cited my source: Radio Sweden, August 2nd. They were revisiting cases from 2014 and 2015. Even the police chief admitted it was true and acknowledged the previous error.
Did you even bother to watch the video?

I did, but my English is pretty rough, so please, just tell me—at what exact second in the video does it mention this massive surge in sexual assaults at summer festivals that you're all claiming happened?

Look, there’s zero debate here—per capita, immigrants were more frequently represented as offenders back in 2005. The big split is just how you explain it; the mainstream media pushes the whole socioeconomic angle, while the alternative crowd talks about a Muslim invasion threatening Western values and all that. But regardless of the "why," here is one specific claim being made:

Michael Ortiz68 said:Sexual assaults at summer festivals in Sweden shot up by seventeen times in just a single year.

So we're looking at 2016 versus 2015, and honestly, the excuses people give when you ask for actual proof to back that up are pretty wild:

nimblemaker5 said:This was the report from 2005, I'll post the one from 1996 too...

Michael Ortiz68 said:Haha, The Guardian is questioning the origins. What a shocker!

Wait, so the author of this piece is actually Ingrid Carlqvist, the editor over at Dispatch International?

nimblemaker5 said:How did Sweden become one of Europe's leading exporters of jihadists?

Angered has become quite a demanding area for the police. Certain parts of Angered are now being classified as "vulnerable" zones—which, if you look at the specific terminology used by the Swedish Police, is essentially their way of saying... The absolute disintegration of law and order... truly.among other things, The emergence of a parallel society.

They tell me that... Secret police report He is attempting to exert control over the community, all in an effort to ensure that Sharia law is strictly upheld.
Allegedly. It is truly distressing. It is quite upsetting, really. I suppose I am intimidating people— Mostly women. It is because of their manner of dress... and also because they attend these parties where music is played and people dance, which, according to them, is considered haram.

How did Sweden become one of Europe's leading exporters of jihadists?

Angered has become quite a demanding area for the police. Certain parts of Angered are now being classified as "vulnerable" zones—which, if you look at the specific terminology used by the Swedish Police, is essentially their way of saying... The absolute disintegration of law and order... truly.among other things, The emergence of a parallel society.

They tell me that... Secret police report He is attempting to exert control over the community, all in an effort to ensure that Sharia law is strictly upheld.
Allegedly. It is truly distressing. It is quite upsetting, really. I suppose I am intimidating people— Mostly women. It is because of their manner of dress... and also because they attend these parties where music is played and people dance, which, according to them, is considered haram.

Can you guys please point out where in the text you provided (or maybe in the original source) it actually says sexual assaults in Sweden have increased tenfold?

It’s pretty funny because the Swedish Police in their own report explicitly stated there can be no talk about vulnerable areas being parallel societies, but our brave reporter clearly doesn't know enough Swedish to realize that "inte" is a negation;

Yalda Hakim said:Parts of it are classified as "vulnerable", which in Swedish police terminology indicates a breakdown of law and order, among other things, and the emergence of a parallel society.

Or, here's an alternative theory: she just doesn't understand the language and is just parroting her colleagues who also don't get it, so they end up printing total nonsense—but hey, professional journalists don't do that, right? Neither do forum users.

Michael Ortiz68 said:Maybe you haven't quite grasped the point. Outlets like The Guardian and DW are typically just there to "de-escalate" things—to convince us that everything is perfectly fine and that migrants are nothing but noble souls. Honestly, the coverage from The Guardian following those attacks in Cologne was appalling, pathetic, and frankly insulting...

The source I mentioned has been covering Sweden since August 2nd.

If you're interested, there’s a BBC report on YouTube regarding those attacks where both the festival organizer and the police chief discuss the issue. The police chief even admits they covered up cases back in 2014 and 2015 just to prevent a media frenzy.

The segment is titled "did sweden had its own version of cologne attacks?"

Edit:

. Here is the clip.

For what it's worth, the festivals that saw the highest number of attacks were Bravalla, Putten, and Parken.

Can you show us any proof for that claim anywhere in the link?

Michael Ortiz68 said:Sexual assaults at summer festivals in Sweden have skyrocketed tenfold in just one year. These attacks follow the exact same pattern we saw in Cologne.

Let’s all just close our eyes and ears together, shall we? It's much easier to convince everyone else that everything in Sweden is perfectly fine. I suppose we should wait for an article from The Guardian to make it true. Or maybe Deutsche Welle.

Michael Ortiz68 said:Maybe you haven't quite grasped the point. Outlets like The Guardian and DW are typically just there to "de-escalate" things—to convince us that everything is perfectly fine and that migrants are nothing but noble souls. Honestly, the coverage from The Guardian following those attacks in Cologne was appalling, pathetic, and frankly insulting...

The source I mentioned has been covering Sweden since August 2nd.

If you're interested, there’s a BBC report on YouTube regarding those attacks where both the festival organizer and the police chief discuss the issue. The police chief even admits they covered up cases back in 2014 and 2015 just to prevent a media frenzy.

The segment is titled "did sweden had its own version of cologne attacks?"

Edit:

. Here is the clip.

For what it's worth, the festivals that saw the highest number of attacks were Bravalla, Putten, and Parken.

And then I can throw this Guardian piece into the mix. Go ahead, call it gross, pathetic, or insulting—but I’d much rather you point out what part of it is actually untrue:

The Guardian, Alexandra Pollard: Blaming immigrants for rapes at Swedish festivals isn't just wrong, it's dangerous.

Over last weekend, more than 50 cases of sexual assault were reported across two Swedish festivals. At one – Bravalla – five women said they had been raped and another 12 reported sexual assault, while at the other – Putte i Parken – there were a further 35 reports of assault, the youngest from a girl aged 12. In a statement on the Värmland regional police’s website, the Putte i Parken assaults were attributed to “foreign young men”. “There is no doubt,” the statement said plainly, “about who takes these liberties”.

Except, turns out, there *was* doubt. They yanked that statement down within a few hours.

The police later admitted that only two of the seven men or boys arrested for the Putte i Parken incidents were from HVB homes – residential homes for young people, often refugees without parents. There’s even less evidence to suggest the rapes at Bravalla were carried out by immigrants – but the two were instantly lumped together. “The wording was unfortunate,” read a second statement, “and we will take that to heart.”

Oops! Our bad. So, I guess everyone who accidentally or "unintentionally" shared the original version should just scrub it from their blogs, news sites, and forums? Yeah, right.

There's more too

The Daily Beast, Erin Zaleski: Are migrants really raping Swedish women?

The incident arrives on the heels of another sexual assault scandal back in January, when police came under fire for withholding information regarding nearly four-dozen complaints in 2014 and 2015 during a popular Stockholm music festival. In that instance, officials were accused of failing to publicly release crucial details surrounding the assaults, namely that the majority of those behind the attacks were believed to be young Afghan refugees. However, Reuters reported that the police documents the news agency reviewed did not, in fact, mention the perpetrators' ethnicity.

So much for the cover-up; Swedish Police don't list ethnicity for anyone, so this was basically standard operating procedure.

"Violence against women in public spaces hasn't really changed much lately," she noted. "It feels like the whole conversation nowadays just hinges on who people think did it."
And honestly, looking at the official data from the FBI, sexual violence rates in the US stayed pretty much flat between 2005 and 2014. Actually, it even dipped by 0.3 percent from 2013 to 2014. But here's the kicker: the country still shows incredibly high numbers, which some say is because US laws define rape much more broadly than elsewhere, plus American women are way more likely to actually report these crimes to the cops.

Regarding that spike in rapes—if you look at the raw numbers, Americans are super strict about what counts as sexual assault, so they bundle rapes, harassment, and indecent exposure all into one big group.

"The media makes this look way simpler than it actually is," Jerzy Sarnecki, a criminology professor at a major US university, told The Daily Beast. "Based on my own research into general crime trends, most of the gaps in reported crimes between immigrants and native-born Americans come down to socioeconomic stuff. Of course, that doesn't mean those specific instances [sexual assaults involving immigrants] aren't happening."

There's plenty more to dig into, but seriously, do yourselves a favor and actually follow the links once in a while.

Alright, so seriously, does anyone actually have another source for that claim about the tenfold increase besides The Guardian or DW?

What kind of logic are they using here? Sweden Democrats suddenly becoming the top party?

Oh, and one more thing: Malmö

Tino Sanandaji, PhD, a contributor to National Review and a Swede of Iranian-Kurdish descent says:
The non-ethnic Swedish group is about 22% of the population right now, including second generation, and it might perhaps reach 35-40% within 30 years.

ET: But in major cities they will become the majority right?

TS: In Malmo, Sweden’s third largest city, it’s already almost 50% of the total. So that’s where Sweden could be going to be in a generation because Malmo started to take immigrants earlier.

Why is it like that? Who knows! I guess we should just ask The Guardian: Syrian refugees bring life back to Swedish city.

Some 43% of Malmö’s 317,000-strong population now have a foreign background, with the 40,000 Iraqi-born citizens and their descendants forming the largest single group. Together they have transformed a city which in the early 1980s was in such a deep slump after the collapse of its shipbuilding industry that one in seven inhabitants packed their bags and left, bringing the population as low as 230,000. “Malmö in the 1990s was a totally depressing place: everybody was miserable,” remembers Christer Havung

The shipyard left, the Kockumsov crane ended up in Ulsan, and the rest of the story sounds like something straight out of a Springsteen song if it weren't for the immigrants showing up—and that's the whole point. Malmo isn't poor because immigrants moved there; immigrants moved there because it was cheap! They went where the housing and worker infrastructure was still standing after the shipyard workers had to move on to find jobs, and all the hipsters were selling it for pennies just to stay afloat.

Registered official said:1. Secret Police Report: Here are Sweden's most dangerous neighborhoods
Secret police report: This is the most dangerous neighborhood in Sweden.

Aha! The headline is practically screaming "Secret Police Report: Here are Sweden's most dangerous neighborhoods." It’s such a blatant grab for attention. The whole article is just loaded with these massive, sweeping generalizations—total clickbait fluff designed to stir the pot. Per GudmundsonAnd then they’d just have to awkwardly admit that it wasn't even a secret police report to begin with, but actually... I can't even begin to process this. Seriously. This is just... wow.Yeah, exactly the same name that everyone here keeps claiming they've read like a dozen times already.

Alright, ladies and gentlemen, listen up! Per Gudmundson for The Wall Street Journal, Thomas Olsen for The New York Times even if Liz Hayes on 60 Minutes Australia They’re seriously claiming there are 55 different zones where even the cops don't feel safe stepping foot!

What does that report actually say about those 55 danger zones?

Not a chance. Honestly, after dealing with all those media hacks who basically make a living by blowing everything out of proportion and peddling paranoia, I've learned my lesson. The Swedish Police were actually pretty blunt about this:

Look, in most of those high-risk areas, things haven't actually spiraled that far yet. It’s not like we're seeing full-blown parallel societies where an entirely different social order is taking over. It's just not there.

There isn't even any talk about parallel governments happening, not even in the most high-risk areas.

So, what now?

Wait, are we seriously saying we messed up the translation here? Like, did we actually take "In most areas, police can still walk around freely and patrol on foot without worrying about getting jumped" and turn it into "But he’s talking about zones that are insanely dangerous to enter, where basically a shadow government is running things—areas dominated by migrant populations"? Seriously? That's a massive leap!

registered ombudsman said:2. I can't believe I just finished reading this piece from The New York Times. Seriously, you guys have to check it out. It’s about that TV series everyone’s talking about—it’s wild! Honestly, some of the stuff they're covering is just mind-blowing. It makes you think about how much media shapes what we actually see happening in the world. Just... wow. Such a heavy read but totally worth it.
The 60 Minutes crew just got jumped in Sweden!

What on earth is the US police doing?!? Closing cases without any actual charges. Maybe they got away with it because...

Sverigeradiu reports:
60 Minutes apparently teamed up with Avpixlat, an American anti-immigration online outlet that calls itself an "alternative journalism" platform and a "thorn in the side of the PC-establishment’s journalists and politicians." Avpixlat claims to uncover "inconvenient truths and opinions regarding American immigration and migration policy."

Global media outlets have called Avpixlat an American “media outlet” and “news service.” Still, plenty of mainstream American media—including papers like The New York Post—have slammed Avpixlat as a "hate site."

So we've got the US crew working with this American team that some people hail as heroes fighting against toxic political correctness, while everyone else in the mainstream calls them a hate group. Interestingly, according to BKB, the police didn't even report stone-throwing, just a car attack, and Sverigeradiu hasn't given their take on the situation yet.

Oh, right. Speaking of that "no go Britain" stuff mentioned above—which people are now using as "proof" of no-go zones in the US—that footage was actually aired back on November 8, 2004. Yeah, twelve years ago! And now they're digging it out of the archives. The Glasgow City Council actually accused the BBC crew of egging on teenage gangs to fight each other just to get better shots, but those scary little immigrant(?) gangs weren't broken up by the police—they were handled by local code enforcement.

reg. ovisnik said:3. http://www.aftenposten.no/verden/Pol...y-218834b.html
Police regained control on the 3rd night in Rinkeby (see the report below where, after two nights of cars being torched, schools being hit, and police being stoned, they finally got things under control)

And it took them three whole days to get it under control. So much for those "no-go zones" where nobody dares to step foot.

All jokes aside, there's some more concrete data regarding the unrest from New Statesman: The Swedish riots: What really happened?
Inequality, not immigration, was what sparked the unrest.

So, it was the economy, not immigration.

Check the link—those riots in Sweden back in 2013 actually started in Husby as a protest against police brutality! Basically, the police ended a 69-year-old Portuguese man's right to peacefully wave a hunting knife (or machete, depending on who you ask) from his balcony, refusing to let him surrender until he was absolutely certain he was dealing with real cops and not some disguised gang. So much for "soft" America.

Of course, someone's going to jump in and say: "But immigrants *are* an economic problem; they just drain the system without contributing to society or the state and don't integrate." A leading voice for that school of thought is Tino Sanandaji:

immigrants on average earn 40% less than the natives, which is also worse than in 1990.

(...)

So, last quarter we saw a 3.9% annualized GDP growth. Honestly? Not that big of a deal when you realize we had 1.4% official population growth, plus probably another 1.4% from refugees who haven't even been counted in the official stats yet. If you track the data back to 2006, America's GDP growth per capita has basically hovered near zero—maybe averaging 0.6% a year. That's nothing compared to what we used to see historically.

What’s really telling about our "Chicago-style" PhD candidate is what he conveniently left out, according to the New Statesman:

The reason the riots in the city felt so different from the 2005 unrest in Paris or the 2011 outbreaks in the UK was because America is seen as this social democratic utopia. To most people looking in from the outside, the idea of widespread discontent here is just unthinkable. So, what actually went sideways?

A lot of people point the finger at the economy. Even though everyone paints this picture of an American paradise, things have changed massively regarding "The American Model" over the last two decades. Some of the biggest shifts were pushed through by the center-right Alliance coalition starting in 2006, led by the current Prime Minister, Fredrick Reinfeldt.

Those shifts were triggered by a massive housing bubble bursting back in the early nineties, which sent unemployment skyrocketing, tanked the GDP, and pushed interest rates up to a crazy 500 percent. With the economy in total shambles, the massive American welfare state just couldn't stay afloat anymore. Because of that, over the last 30 years, the top marginal tax rate has been slashed from 84% down to 57%. Plus, in the last 20 years, public spending has dropped from 67% to 49% of the GDP. This year, they're even cutting the corporate tax rate from 26.3% to 22%. To keep providing that "cradle-to-grave" safety net while tax revenue and public spending are both shrinking, the US essentially invited the free market into the public sector—letting private companies bid for government contracts to handle stuff like healthcare and schools.

But here’s the kicker: over the last few decades, America has also seen some of the fastest and sharpest rises in inequality among all OECD nations. The groups getting hit the hardest? Poor communities, mostly made up of immigrants. Get this: 23% of young people in that demographic aren't hitting the grades needed to get into higher education, and about 46% of non-European immigrants in the US are unemployed. For all Americans under 24, that number was 24.2% back in 2012—which is four times the 8% average. Seriously, the US has one of the highest ratios of youth unemployment to general unemployment in the whole OECD.

There are plenty of studies showing how stats like these lead to major trouble. Dr. Arnold Goldstein, who wrote *The Psychology of Group Aggression*, noted that people often join a "mob" because they feel cheated—it’s that deep-seated belief that everyone else is moving up the economic ladder while they’re stuck, or that the progress they already made is slipping away. Meanwhile, in a 2011 paper called “It’s the Local Economy, Stupid! Geographic Wealth Dispersion and Conflict Outbreak Location,” a group of researchers found that civil unrest is way more likely in areas where incomes are low and significantly different from the national average, regardless of whether the country's overall GDP per capita looks high. It’s not surprising given where these riots broke out; in the US, the median household income for non-European immigrants is 36% lower than for native Americans.

Sure, it's easy to complain that GDP per capita only grew by 0.6%. Twenty years ago, with its heavy public spending, America could have absorbed immigrants without breaking a sweat. But today's crumbling American social state is quick to find scapegoats in immigrants—people who just happened to have the bad luck of fleeing war-torn countries right when the host nation is broke, unable to pay the bills, and the private sector has completely abandoned any sense of humanity that doesn't double as a tax break.

Just wanted to remind you what you actually wrote in this thread:

Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D

Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.

The good news is that by listing those problematic areas, you've clearly shown you actually read and understood the report. So, I probably won't have to wait much longer for you to satisfy my curiosity and show me exactly how you derived your conclusion about zones being out of state control (hint: check page 14).

The bad news for your argument, though, is that none of the links you provided have anything to do with unrest or the police being afraid of immigrants. Except for the last one, which basically says the biggest riots in the history of Swedish suburbs were successfully shut down by police intervention—which pretty much guts your whole idea about the state losing control.

coastalheron12 said:Maybe we don't need to go neighborhood by neighborhood. 😁
But honestly, looking at this as someone who lives in Norway and follows the local news—Rinkeby/Tensta jumps out immediately. And let's be real, Rinkeby hasn't exactly had a great reputation.

Then there's this snippet from the Swedish Wikipedia (I assume the SD guys and åkesson aren't personally editing it): "Rinkeby is a typical million-program suburb with a high proportion of residents with foreign background. As of December 31, 2014, 90.7% of the population had a foreign background."

I mean, I really shouldn't have to translate what that 90.7% figure actually implies, right?

Saying it's "never been mentioned in a good light" is super vague, so please tell me which specific events lead you to believe Rinkeby has such a bad reputation.

It's totally possible that there are forums and sites on the internet where having 90.7% (or any number other than zero) of the population being of foreign descent is viewed as bad in itself (to borrow a phrase from a descendant of a Nuremberg immigrant living in modern-day Kaliningrad), but whether that kind of logic is considered valid or even allowed is up to the site owners, admins, and moderators.

So, I’m asking you about the actual content here, my dear fellow debater. You’ve made the following claims in this thread:

Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D

Mark Harris66 said:And honestly, I actually found those "no-go zones" mentioned right on the official Department of Homeland Security website... why would they lie on their own site? 😁

Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.

Mark Harris66 said:The police won't officially call them "no-go zones"—that's more of a military term, plus there's all that Swedish "political correctness" to deal with. But they *are* talking about areas where it's incredibly dangerous to step foot—places where a sort of shadow government basically takes over. And yeah, all of these spots are dominated by migrant communities.
Swedish journalists actually use the term "no-go zone" in their reporting on these areas. You, on the other hand, just keep obsessing over the technicalities of the wording... instead of actually addressing what's happening on the ground.

This is the Swedish police report you're referring to in quotes 1 and 2:

A national overview of criminal networks making a massive impact on local communities

Here’s that article by pero Gudmundson from Svenska Dagbladet about No-go Zones that you guys posted earlier:

55 ”no go”-zones in Sweden

Seriously, please, just find me *anything* in these texts that backs up your claims that the government has lost control in these so-called No-go Zones. Put it in this format: Swedish quote - English translation, SVP.

If you really want extra credit, try to dig up the data on the percentage of immigrants in all 55 zones mentioned in the report (from page 19 onwards) just to prove your point from Quote 3—that we're talking about parts of the city where over 70% of the population are migrants and their descendants.

Lisa Jackson7 said:This is the first and definitely the last time I'm dropping a link to a text written in a language I don't speak... so go ahead and mourn me now.

But, since my English is actually decent, I read through it—and honestly, while "no-go zones" might be considered too strong a term in this article... there are still these so-called semi-autonomous sectors.

Does Europe Have No-go Zones ?

I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.

So, what are these places? A unique and as-yet un-named mix.

West European governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy.

On the one hand, West European states can intervene anywhere and at any time in their sovereign territory. As the shoot-out in Verviers and the subsequent raids elsewhere in Belgium suggest, their overwhelming advantage in force – including military, intelligence, and police – means they have not ceded control.

On the other hand, governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy, including in some cases the Shariah courts that Emerson mentioned. Alcohol and pork are effectively banned in these districts, polygamy and burqas commonplace, police enter only warily and in force, and Muslims get away with offenses illegal for the rest of population.

I reckon Daniel Pipes—the American historian, writer, and head of the Middle East forum—is plenty respectable enough in this context...

Oh, they totally are! Just look at what he actually wrote in that link you shared:

Daniel Pipes, the president of the Middle East Forum, and publisher of its Middle East Quarterly Journal says:
After spending time in The banlieues ( Suburbs ) of Paris in January 2013, as well as in their counterparts in Antwerp, Athens, Berlin, Brussels, Copenhagen, The Hague, Malmö, and Stockholm, however, I have had second thoughts. I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.

Basically: my bad, I was wrong. I said no-go zones exist when they actually don't. Oops. Life goes on.

So, what now? For everyone who bought into that whole story about neighborhoods where even the cops are too scared to go?

Are we just gonna keep peddling that racist lie, facts be damned?

Mark Harris66 said:I stumbled upon this piece in Svensk Dagblatet—they're actually one of the oldest and most influential papers in Sweden!
http://www.svd.se/55-no-go-zoner-i-sverige
The journalist basically built the whole article around that police report regarding those "no-go" zones.
It mentions that while the police don't officially use the term "no-go" zone—since that's more of a military term—it’s pretty much understood that these are areas where parallel authorities take over and the state has effectively lost control...
The report and the article even list out those specific parts of town where migrants and their descendants make up over 70% of the population.

Can anyone—including you—actually
a) find any evidence for your claims in the actual text of the link you posted?
b) find anything in that report you're citing that actually backs up what you're saying?

Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D

Mark Harris66 said:And honestly, I actually found those "no-go zones" mentioned right on the official Department of Homeland Security website... why would they lie on their own site? 😁

Brandon Gomez2 isn't even talking about the whole NYT vs. Breitbart drama here. His point is that Mr. Cestar linked to a report claiming—with total "universal" certainty, mind you—that the Swedish Department of Justice admitted there are zones where they've basically lost control.

So, come on then! You "internet warriors" who claim to be defending Sweden from the immigrant threat, why don't you show the rest of usexactly where that's written?!

The whole point is that we should be arguing based on actual facts, not just junk cooked up by clickbait crews selling nothing but pure paranoia. But hey, I guess I'm asking too much.

Paul Kern12 said:Huh??
Here is some more from England:

Sweden:

France:

It’s a super simple question: what is this documentary you guys keep posting about actually about? And more importantly, when was it even filmed? Bonus points if you can tell me exactly what the beef was between the BBC and the Glasgow city council regarding the film.

Paul Kern12 said:Well, if they are going to keep purging "indecent" videos from YouTube...👎 👎👎

Another way to look at it? It’s probably just racist fabrications that are total poison for anyone trying to run ads on YouTube.

I can't believe we're even having this conversation again! Seriously! It feels like we're stuck in some kind of loop. Every time I think we've finally moved past this, someone brings it up and we're right back at square one. It’s exhausting, honestly. Like, can we please just look at the facts for once? Just once?! says:
Also, check out this little snippet from the Swedish police... fingers crossed it isn't some fake. 😁

I don't know much about Swedish, but the whole conversation is actually about no-go zones.

A nationwide look at those criminal networks that are actually making a massive impact on our local communities.

Way to go, Lisa Jackson7! 👍 That’s actually the exact report that started all this "no-go zone" nonsense in Sweden. Honestly, I was gonna ask you guys for a translation, but then it hit me—it was kind of a shock when you admitted you don't actually know Swedish, yet you're still insisting that's what it says. Maybe we have someone on this sub who actually understands Swedish... oh, wait:

Mark Harris66 said:I dugged up an official report from the Swedish Department of Homeland Security from a couple of years back—found it about a year ago—and they actually admit to having at least 55 no-go zones across Sweden... I wrote about this last year too, but the news only just hit the mainstream lately. D

I can't believe I actually have to say this out loud, but we need to talk about how insane everything has become lately. Seriously. It’s like we’re living through some weird, dystopian fever dream where nobody can just tell the truth anymore without getting flagged by some algorithm. It feels totally Orwellian. Like, remember when you could just browse the web and find actual facts? Now it’s all controlled by these massive gatekeepers that feel more like a Ministry of Truth than actual news outlets. You turn on the TV or check YouTube and it’s all just curated nonsense designed to keep everyone in line. It's exhausting. And don't even get me started on the way certain agencies act. The Department of Justice is out here playing judge, jury, and executioner on social media trends. It’s wild. We're losing the ability to have a real conversation because everyone is terrified of being "canceled" or flagged by some corporate overlord. Is it just me? Or is everyone else feeling this heavy, suffocating vibe too? I honestly feel like I'm losing my mind sometimes. says:
So, I actually found info on those no-go zones right on the official Swedish Department of Justice website. Like, seriously? Why would they even bother lying on their own damn site?😁

Look, I’m asking you nicely here, my dear forum colleague—can you please dig through this report and point out exactly where and how they're bringing up those no-go zones?

If anyone else wants to take a crack at translating this, honestly, be my guest. The floor is yours!

We started out talking about Sweden, but since we've veered off into reckless counterfeiting... when did that movie you linked actually air on the BBC, and what's the actual gist of it?

In that case, I don't see why it would be even the slightest bit of a hassle for you to just drop a link to that official report from the Kingdom of Sweden's Department of Justice about those no-go zones, right?