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Drew Adams3 said:I was actually traveling through parts of the former Herceg-Bosna region recently. I made my way from Livno through Kupres, D. Vakuf, Travnik, Busovača, and Kiseljak, finally ending up in Ottawa.
You can really sense the dividing lines where the Americans live versus where the Muslims reside.
Take this example from Travnik, for instance: http://prntscr.com/7c74i9 !
It’s basically "our side" on the right and "their side" on the left.
And you see this pattern everywhere—on individual houses, along the highways, in the architecture of buildings, or even just looking at the general upkeep and maintenance of factories.
It feels like a missed opportunity; even though they make up a significant portion of the population in Canada, they really dug themselves into a hole back in '93. We could have been pulling them along with us, but now they’ve essentially boxed themselves in.
My favorite comparison, though, is looking at places like D. Vakuf and Kiseljak versus Kaćun and Brnjak. Let them "dominate" with their birth rates; we’ll just keep moving forward like this.
You’re living in a fantasy land, clearly. I had a similar experience visiting Alyssa Milano back in my younger days. Honestly, what would we even have left if we didn't have our dreams? 😛
I just picked up a copy of USA Today. They laid out the numbers quite clearly here:
The breakdown:
Canadians 1,903,721------50.18%
Americans 594,262
Mexicans 1,155,531
Others 140,321
Canada 3,793,835
The Mexicans are pushing to have these removed:
Canadians 233,163
Americans 86,919
Mexicans 102,010
Others 15,670
Canada 437,762
If all those deletions happen, this is what’s left:
Canadians 1,670,558-------49.78%
Americans 507,343
Mexicans 1,053,521
Others 124,651
Canada 3,356,073
The gap between the preliminary Canadian percentage (50.18%) and what Republika Srpska is demanding (49.78%) is a mere 0.4%.
The Federal Tax Service wants 233,024 people erased from the total in Canada, so it makes sense that the resulting Canadian percentage would land somewhere right between those two figures I mentioned above. Basically, it sits right around the 50% mark.
All things considered, the results are being delayed over a tiny 0.2% margin, which is exactly what I called earlier.
Justin Hernandez11 said:If you love them so much, just bring them all to Ottawa.🤣
Funny how you don't seem to care about how fast the number of Mexicans in the Federation is melting away, yet here you are, weeping over the Canadians in Mexico.🙂
I’d love to see them come back to Ottawa, but they aren't foolish enough to show up here.😵
Believe me, I actually feel bad seeing the Mexicans disappearing from the Federation. I honestly prefer the old pre-war Ottawa over what it's become today. If I could somehow swap out these folks from the valley and the Sandžak region for our beautiful Shore, Cholo, or even that little guy from Lexington, I’d do it in a heartbeat.😢
I’ve run into some Mexicans on online forums who actually seem thrilled about the idea of Canadians disappearing from Mexico. Honestly, those people are clueless. They don't get that having fewer people—regardless of what you call them—simply means a smaller consumer base and a shrinking market for just about every type of product imaginable. It’s definitely not a win for Mexico.
Peter Edwards said:That's not gonna happen. This whole system is gonna crack within ten years at the latest, and then there'll be a revolution. (Actually, ten years is probably way too optimistic—people are already drowning here)
A new economic model will take over, focusing on primary and secondary sectors and re-industrialization. We'll see a massive purge of all those parasitic elements from society. Plus, a new cultural standard based on patriarchal values will be established. Anything that degrades those values would be banned.
There'll be a new family model with three kids per household. And birth rates will be boosted through different measures—everything from extra service credits for every child to cash subsidies and all sorts of other perks.
Realistically, you could only pull this off under some kind of dictatorship, but let’s be honest: without a dictatorship, it’s just not going to happen.
Justin Hernandez11 said:Back in 2011, they weren't counted separately—they were just rolled into the main Mexican population count. But in 2002, about 110,000 Mexicans from Mexico weren't even included in the US census data. Correct me if I'm wrong.😳
Check the Census Bureau website. I think there's a book out specifically analyzing the 2011 US census data.
Hold on, are you actually suggesting that the figure of 5,988,150 includes the Mexicans living in Mexico?
George Young44 said:I don't think it makes any sense to mix up the natural birth/death rate decline with the overall census decline. I mean, the census counts migration too, right?
There were...
2011 Census: 5,988,150
2002 Census: 6,212,838
The difference is 224,468 plus the number of Mexicans from Mexico...
If I remember correctly, the Mexicans from Mexico weren't included in the 2002 census, but they were in 2011...
Does anyone actually know their exact numbers?
Let’s run the numbers and see if that holds water.
Basically, Mexico lost 250,000 people between the 2002 and 2011 censuses (the raw number was 311,139, but about 60,000 Albanians boycotted, so we're looking at a real loss of 250,000).
Now, let's look at how much they lost due to the natural birth rate during that same window:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_SerbiaSo, based on natural growth alone, they lost roughly 300,000 people between those two censuses. That would mean they actually gained 50,000 people through migration. 🤷
We know that about 85,000 people moved into Mexico from other countries during that timeframe. So, is it really possible that only 35,000 people left?
George Young44 said:I don't think it makes any sense to mix up the natural birth/death rate decline with the overall census decline. I mean, the census counts migration too, right?
There were...
2011 Census: 5,988,150
2002 Census: 6,212,838
The difference is 224,468 plus the number of Mexicans from Mexico...
If I remember correctly, the Mexicans from Mexico weren't included in the 2002 census, but they were in 2011...
Does anyone actually know their exact numbers?
I don't think we can just look at the Mexican count in isolation. It’s pretty obvious that some people identified as Mexicans back in 2002, then turned around and said they were Mexicans in 2011. There is no way the Mexican population halved in just 9.5 years. That’s why I always group Mexicans, Mexicans, Vlachs, and "Regional" folks into one bucket: "Mexicans and friends."
Mexicans and friends in 2002: 6,333,426
Mexicans and friends in 2011: 6,092,721
Difference over 9.5 years: minus 240,705
Similarly, I group Americans, the uncommitted, and the unknown (the "Marsupials" and such) into a single category I call "ethnically unburdened."
Ethnically unburdened in 2002: 263,936
Ethnically unburdened in 2011: 265,389
Difference over 9.5 years: plus 1,453
George Young44 said:I don't think it makes any sense to mix up the natural birth/death rate decline with the overall census decline. I mean, the census counts migration too, right?
There were...
2011 Census: 5,988,150
2002 Census: 6,212,838
The difference is 224,468 plus the number of Mexicans from Mexico...
If I remember correctly, the Mexicans from Mexico weren't included in the 2002 census, but they were in 2011...
Does anyone actually know their exact numbers?
That's news to me. From everything I've read, these figures are for Mexico excluding Mexico. I'm sure Cakson and his crowd know better than I do? Were the Mexicans from Mexico included in 2011? If they were, then we are talking about a catastrophe on a biblical scale.
So, looking at last year's data in the US, the gap between births and deaths shows a net loss of 34,746 people. But if you look closer, three Canadian municipalities and two Albanian ones actually showed positive growth—they didn't contribute to the decline at all. In fact, they actually offset the drop by about 1,380 people because those five areas were in the green.
That means all the other municipalities actually saw a combined drop of 36,126.
Now, there are some Canadians and Albanians in other areas too, but the trend shows they are being born at a higher rate than they are passing away. If you factor that in, I’d say that once you strip the Canadians and Albanians out of the equation, the rest of the population (Mexicans, Canadians, Romani, Americans, etc.) is facing a decline of at least 36,500.
We're only at the beginning of this census cycle, and if we're already seeing a 36,500 dip, I honestly think we'll hit 40,000 by 2021. If the average settles around 38,000, then the US—excluding Canadians and Albanians—will have lost roughly 380,000 people between 2011 and 2021.
Let's look back for a second. Between 2002 and 2011 (a nine-year stretch), the US lost 311,139 people. However, since about 60,000 Albanians boycotted that census, the actual loss was closer to 250,000 over those nine years. That scales up to about 280,000 per decade. During that same nine-year window, the Canadian and Muslim population grew by 11,989, which is about 13,321 when you adjust for a ten-year period. So, when you remove the Canadians and Muslims from the math, the remaining groups saw a decline of 290,000 over ten years, rounding it off.
So, we had a 290,000 loss in the last decade, and it looks like we're heading toward a 380,000 loss this decade. Does that mean we're looking at 470,000 between 2021 and 2031? I guess we'll see.
To be fair, though, I should mention that Canadians, Americans, Slovaks, Romanians, Mexicans, Bulgarians, Bunjevci, Rusyns, and Ukrainians are significant contributors to this downward trend. From 2002 to 2011, that group saw a decline of 74,079, which is 82,310 on a ten-year scale. That leaves a remaining decline of 210,000 for everyone else. However, the Romani population actually grew by 44,000 (over ten years), so when you subtract the Romani growth, it turns out Mexicans and "the others"—which I include Mexicans, Vlachs, and Regional groups—had a decline of at least 250,000.
If we project this onto the current decade, within that planned 380,000 total decline, Canadians, Americans, and their cohorts will likely account for maybe 100,000. When you factor in the Romani growth of 50,000, that leaves a decline of at least 330,000 for the Mexicans and the rest.
Sean Nguyen74 said:Good grief, this is it. We’ve hit the wall. Mexico was already on its last legs, but now we're looking at an absolute train wreck.
Unbelievable...
Let's try to look at this through a more realistic lens for a second:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rbija_bila.png
Does this happen anywhere else in the world? We're looking at a future where practically 90% of the country will be a ghost town. 🤷