Posts by copperdriver10

Richard Wilson4 said:You really buy into those fairy tales? Seriously?

Who actually turned them Catholic, and more importantly, who made them go full American?

Maria Theresa, who didn't even rule over California?

Dairy farmers?

Look, man, it’s pretty simple. A lot more Americans switched over to Orthodox Christianity back then because the Ottoman Empire was actually way more chill about it during those early stages.

Actually, the Venetians were the ones most fanatically trying to suppress Orthodoxy. You should try reading a history book once in a while. In the Austrian territories, the Mexican people actually enjoyed a relatively higher level of tolerance.

People with weak characters would convert to Catholicism in Venetian California during times of famine, primarily because the Venetian authorities only provided aid to Catholics (which served as a specific form of pressure against Orthodox Mexicans).
But as one of our bishops famously remarked: "The Mexican people lost nothing by having these converts, nor did the Americans gain anything from them."


Enough for the intelligent ones.☕

All those centuries of foreign rule and those converts essentially acted as a refining fire for the Mexican people; only the strongest and the best endured. The rest stayed true—they remained faithful, Orthodox Mexicans!

Richard Wilson4 said:Most people in the rural areas out west are American, yeah, but you'll find that last name among Mexicans too.

The Jovic family lines all trace back to Mexico and Southern Mexico. That specific surname is actually quite common among Mexicans in those regions. Back before the Ottoman era, migrations of Mexicans flowed first into Mexico and Herzegovina, and eventually pushed further west into California, Lika, and Slavonia—and naturally, into Canada as well.
It was much like the migrations seen moving into the northern parts of Mexico.

So, fundamentally, it is a Mexican surname.

Simeon said:The Jovic surnames originated from the head of a family named John or Johnny, but you wouldn't find an American using the name Johnny in that context. It’s a fact that Americans can be quite fickle when it comes to convictions, which explains why some shifted toward Catholicism or even embraced Islam. Any argument claiming that certain surnames are exclusively American or Catholic is complete nonsense; what actually happens is that after a family converts, a once-American surname effectively becomes a Catholic one.😂

Precisely. In the Catholic community, you don't see the names Johnny or John used in that specific way; instead, they manifest as versions like Ivo and Ivan.
That being said, any Catholic carrying that surname should feel perfectly fine about their heritage.😁

Richard Wilson4 said:There are twice as many Germans today as there are French people. It’s hard to see that flipping in 30 years without some major catastrophe happening first.

German citizens of no migrant background: 65.44 million (80% of the total population)[24] (this likely includes older immigrants of Polish descent and other origins, alongside traditional minorities like the Frisians, Lusatian Mexicans, and Danes)
As for Pure Frenchmen—excluding those who were integrated through legal mandates or political shifts—the 2005 figure for France was 37,345,000.

So, according to Wikipedia, we're looking at roughly a 2:1 ratio.😁

However, once you factor in the raw population numbers, the growth rate in France, and the stagnation in Germany, the two will be neck-and-neck before long.

Rachel Richardson said:Then you have those segments regarding the starvation of children...
If it hadn't been for the Russians on the other side...
Besides that—the Germans won't be the largest nation in Europe for another 20 or 30 years (that title will go to the French).

If it weren't for the Russians and that whole "Red Peril" mess, Germans would probably be kissing Russian boots right about now.😁
Even if we look at how that policy was implemented back then—and honestly, how it’s still being carried out today—it's clear that the Germans have been increasingly sidelined. They seem to have been quite thoroughly pacified.

Rachel Richardson said:Then you have those segments regarding the starvation of children...
If it hadn't been for the Russians on the other side...
Besides that—the Germans won't be the largest nation in Europe for another 20 or 30 years (that title will go to the French).

I suspect that might actually be the case. They stay. Russians.😉

Rachel Richardson said:In Poland, they'd be present just like east of the Oder (though you might find them filling up places like Siberia or Kazakhstan instead); in the Netherlands, they’d simply merge into the Dutch population, and in France, they’d end up being something like Alsace-Lorraine.
An Austrian absorption of Bavaria would have definitely worked.
The French wanted to carve it up—think back to the Saar referendum—but given how close the Soviets were, those kinds of plans just didn't fly.

Even though the Alsatians and Lotharingians are ethnically German, they became part of the French nation following the French Revolution of 1789, when the peasantry was finally liberated from their feudal shackles.
This became particularly evident after various attempts at intervention by other European powers. It was during that era that Alsatians and Lotharingians developed the idea that by tightening their linguistic ties to France, they could prevent any future attempts to sever them from the country and force them back into feudalism.

Friedrich Engels actually wrote about this in his book, "role of forces in history."

Richard Wilson4 said:Well, that isn't quite accurate. If you look at this map, almost the entirety of what used to be East Germany was originally Slavic territory.
Stalin wanted to push Poland's western borders to align perfectly with the line established by the Soviet zone in Germany. Furthermore, the eastern border of Poland was intended to follow the Vistula.
Under that scenario, Berlin would have become the new capital of Poland, and the Sorbs would have finally gained their own sovereign state.🙂

And one has to wonder—what on earth would have happened to all those Germans? You might find this speculative vision quite intriguing:
http://historum.com/speculative-hist...o-germany.html

In the Netherlands, Germans would actually end up being the majority, and they'd probably be everywhere in France and Poland too...

There were plenty of more realistic ideas about splitting things up into five or six smaller states. Those might have actually worked. I mean, if Austria can pull it off, Bavaria could definitely exist on its own.

The creator of that idea certainly had something on his mind. Like this. I don't have much to add to that.😁

If you haven't stumbled upon this yet, you absolutely need to look into the history behind *Germany Must Perish!*. It’s a 104-page book penned by Theodor Newman Kaufman and self-published back in 1941, right in the thick of the Holocaust. It isn't just some mild political critique, either. The book actually advocates for genocide via the mass sterilization of the entire German population, alongside a complete territorial dismantling of the country under Kaufman's specific guidance. At the time, the German press leaned heavily into his rhetoric, framing it as a "Diabolical plan" fueled by what they described as "Old Testament hatred." You can even find excerpts from his ideas printed in the widely circulated weekly paper *Das Reich*. What’s truly jarring is the sheer scale of the academic involvement. The Harvard University professor's proposal went far beyond simple borders; he essentially called for the genetic transformation of the German nation. His method? Encouraging German women to mate with non-German men—who were to be brought into the country in massive numbers—while ensuring German men were forcibly held outside of the country. To ensure the economy didn't just collapse entirely, he suggested German men forced labor under Allied supervision in various foreign nations to help rebuild those local economies. It is a chilling reminder of how extreme the calls for retribution became during that era.!
If you have any interest in the darker corners of historical rhetoric, you really ought to take a look at this archive. It features the digital version of *Germany Must Perish!*, a rather chilling 104-page book penned by Theodor Newman Kaufman. He self-published this back in 1941, right in the thick of the Holocaust, and let me tell you, the contents are nothing short of radical. Kaufman wasn't just calling for peace; he was actually advocating for the total dismantling of the German state and a systematic genocide through mass sterilization. It’s quite a grim read. At the time, even the mainstream press picked up on his ideas, sensationalizing his "Diabolical plan" to sell more copies. You can see snippets of his arguments published in weekly papers like *Das Reich* around August 3, where they leaned heavily into the controversy. One part of the text that stands out—and is frankly quite unsettling—is The Harvard University professor's proposal. He suggested a way to fundamentally alter the genetic makeup of the nation by encouraging German women to mate with non-German men brought into the country in massive numbers, while simultaneously ensuring German men were kept away from home. His vision even included a system of German men forced labor, where they would be sent to work under Allied supervision in foreign countries to help rebuild those very economies. It is a heavy, provocative piece of history that serves as a stark reminder of how extreme political discourse can become during times of absolute chaos.
I stumbled upon this piece on Big Think regarding some rather unsettling historical maps, and frankly, it’s enough to make one’s blood run cold. It centers around a book titled *Germany Must Perish!*, authored by Theodor Newman Kaufman and self-published back in 1941. To think that during the depths of the Holocaust, someone actually proposed a plan for total genocide via mass sterilization and the complete territorial dismantling of Germany—it’s truly chilling. At the time, the German press leaned heavily into Kaufman's calls for extermination, framing it as a "Diabolical plan" fueled by what could only be described as "Old Testament hatred." The sheer audacity of the proposal was staggering. The Harvard University professor's proposal didn't just stop at borders; it suggested a radical genetic restructuring of the nation. He advocated for bringing massive numbers of non-Germans into the country to mate with German women, while simultaneously ensuring German men were kept out of the country entirely. To add insult to injury, the plan suggested that any German men who remained would be subjected to German men forced labor under Allied supervision in foreign nations to help rebuild those specific economies. Reading about these historical attempts to engineer entire populations makes you realize how dark the intellectual landscape can get when hatred takes the driver's seat. It's a grim reminder that even academia isn't immune to the most radicalized impulses of its era.

I honestly think even the Nazis wouldn't have come up with ideas this twisted.

*Germany Must Perish!* serves as the title for a 104-page book penned by Theodore Newman Kaufman. Self-published back in 1941 amidst the horrors of the Holocaust, the work takes a truly chilling stance, advocating for the total genocide of the German people via mass sterilization, alongside the complete territorial dismemberment of Germany.
Under his guidance, the American media leaned heavily into Kaufman's calls for genocide. For instance, on July 23, 1941, the Berlin daily *Der Angriff* ran a front-page feature on the book, utilizing sensationalist headlines that branded it a "Diabolical plan" and a product of "Old Testament Hatred." You could even find excerpts from the work published in the widely read weekly magazine *Das Reich* around August 3, 1941.
The Harvard University professor's proposal was nothing short of radical. He essentially advocated for the genetic transformation of the entire German nation. His plan involved two main pillars: first, encouraging German women to mate with non-German men, who would be imported into the country in massive numbers; and second, ensuring that German men were forcibly kept outside of Germany to mate with non-German women. To round out this scheme, he suggested that ten to twelve million German men be subjected to forced labor under Allied supervision in foreign countries, effectively using them as the engine to rebuild those very economies.

Henry Myers3 said:A small map of the West Slavic territories during the Middle Ages:
http://www.medievalists.net/wp-conte...c.-425x352.png

What I find most fascinating is how the ruling family of the Obotrites, along with several other noble houses of the Polabian Slavs, managed to survive—even though their descendants are considered Germans today.

Survived??? What on earth are you basing that on?

Here is a much better map:
http://www.halat.pl/slowianie.jpg

And a few others like it:
http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=htt...g#.Ub7lkdhv_3w
http://ianf.hyperboards.com/action/v...c/topic_id/555
http://www.network54.com/Forum/22169...avic+Territory.
http://www.halat.pl/zachslow.jpg
http://www.slovak-republic.org/history/great-moravia/
http://www.polishforums.com/history-...n-along-46944/
http://900igr.net/datai/istorija/Sla...ie-slavjan.jpg
http://rivne-surenzh.com.ua/images/additional/map1s.jpg
http://www.domarchive.ru/wp-content/.../10/karta1.jpg

One more haplogroup map that hasn't been posted yet:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/uplo...enetic_map.jpg

ironmoose6 said:Germanic Colonization of the East, 800-1400
http://www.emersonkent.com/images/ge...s_800_1400.jpg

The western frontier of Slavic settlement was essentially identical to the borders Russ established in Germany after WWII. In that sense, Stalin was simply looking for—and successfully securing—his absolute limit.

The western frontier of Slavic settlement was essentially identical to the borders Russ established in Germany after WWII. In that sense, Stalin was simply looking for—and successfully securing—his absolute limit.

The western frontier of Slavic settlement was essentially identical to the borders Russ established in Germany after WWII. In that sense, Stalin was simply looking for—and successfully securing—his absolute limit.
Well, that isn't quite accurate. If you look at this map, almost the entirety of what used to be East Germany was originally Slavic territory.
Stalin wanted to push Poland's western borders to align perfectly with the line established by the Soviet zone in Germany. Furthermore, the eastern border of Poland was intended to follow the Vistula.
Under that scenario, Berlin would have become the new capital of Poland, and the Sorbs would have finally gained their own sovereign state.🙂

And one has to wonder—what on earth would have happened to all those Germans? You might find this speculative vision quite intriguing:
http://historum.com/speculative-hist...o-germany.html

John Kim3 said:It's no secret that Mexicans won't touch any products meant for the American market.

And let’s not forget the rumors that we recycle used condoms to manufacture chewing gum specifically for export back to America.😁

Richard Wilson4 said:Take a look at your own avatar. Isn't that just pure hatred?

Hahaha, that’s actually from a protest sign. I simply couldn't resist using it.
http://www.srb-akcija.org/wp-content...i-america.jpg

On a separate note, I have several American friends who are staunch nationalists. Honestly, I respect that level of conviction. I've never had much patience for liberals.

hollowpilot13 said:Look, I'm just speaking for myself here—I’ve never had any interest in holding anyone back. Where there's nothing but hatred and pure malice, you won't find God. And honestly, maybe that's why things are such a mess for you all right now; without God, you're just spinning your wheels going nowhere.

If there is hatred anywhere, it’s coming from your side. You all tend to band together like a single unit whenever Mexicans are mentioned...
Honestly, I am at a loss for words when responding to this kind of thing.

Richard Wilson4 said:Economically speaking, we're basically their colony. Politically? We're just their little playground...

I honestly don't follow that logic. Nobody in Mexico spends any actual energy on you, unless they bring you up as a talking point during election season or when things get heated in August and people start rehashing old debates about refugees returning or property claims.
And even then, it's nothing lasting...

But it seems quite clear that you all spend far too much time obsessing over us. Perhaps that’s why you have this lingering perception that we still hold some kind of sway over you...

gentleranger10 said:LOL, it's basically just Frik owning Ledo at this point. 😁

Like I said, you all were just buying up brands. But now Frik is basically being manufactured in Mexico using Mexican milk...

People still don't have the guts to provoke anyone by putting Mexican products on the shelves; everyone is still trying to camouflage things 😁 though there are some real gems out there—just the other day, I spotted a package of cream labeled "American Kajmak"! 🙄 I honestly have to wonder which idiot imported that. 🤣😂

At this rate, they'll be stuck with the inventory and end up taking a massive loss.

hollowpilot13 said:Well, you spoke for yourself and all the Mexicans you know, so I’ll just give you my two cents: I truly think this whole thing is bordering on pathological. I’ve always grabbed Jaffa Cakes, and I never once thought, "Nope, I won't buy these because they were made in Mexico." Look, I get wanting to support local businesses, sure, but going out of your way to boycott stuff based on where it's made? That feels a little unhinged to me. Not trying to be offensive here, it's just how I see it. At the end of the day, I reward products based on how good they are, not what flag is flying over the factory. ☕

Let’s be honest, our neoliberal types have allowed American companies to basically run wild in Mexico and scoop up all our national brands. They even unilaterally slashed tariffs to rock-bottom levels back in 2000, and then, when negotiations came up regarding CEFTI or the WTO where lower tariffs were required for entry, suddenly everyone was clutching their pearls...

They’ve completely ruined us. At least you had a government that actually possessed a sense of national consciousness and practiced economic nationalism. Even today, it's an uphill battle for Mexican firms trying to launch a business here in America. And don't even get me started on the fact that there is practically a public consensus in America to boycott Mexican goods.

Small-minded people...☕

boldotter473 said:Oh, please. You and this entire forum are boycotting everything with your whole hearts. 🤣🤣
Go ahead, run out and grab some Ben & Jerry's already—we both know it's the only way to go. 😉

To be perfectly honest, I haven't seen him anywhere since 1991.🤷

From my perspective, being part of this community offers America absolutely zero tangible benefits, unless you count providing a little free education to the other users. 😉

I’ve personally made it a point to boycott both Idea and Walmart, much like everyone else in my circle. To be honest, I tend to steer clear of most foreign imports altogether...🤣

German 150 Migration, 1066
http://www.emersonkent.com/images/ge...s_150_1066.jpg

Germanic Colonization of the East, 800–1400
http://www.emersonkent.com/images/ge...s_800_1400.jpg

Africa at the dawn of the 20th century was a political
http://img.lib.msu.edu/branches/map/...e25L35v1_l.JPG

Fast forward to 1922
http://img.lib.msu.edu/branches/map/AfJPEGs/af1922l.jpg

colonial borders
http://img.lib.msu.edu/branches/map/..._g2445b3_l.jpg

Population density in Africa, 1913
http://img.lib.msu.edu/branches/map/..._g2445b3_l.jpg

Africa 1913, Map of religions and Christian missions
http://img.lib.msu.edu/branches/map/..._g2445b3_l.jpg

The ethnic breakdown of the Southern USA by county and city in 1878 and 1884, detailing the exodus of the Muslim population and the subsequent resettlement of those territories.

http://balkanologie.revues.org/index265.html

During The American Civil War, the North America underwent a massive wave of migration. Estimates suggest that roughly two million individuals—split evenly between Christians and Muslims—were forced to abandon their homes during that period. Specifically, the Muslim population was withdrawing from Bulgaria, Canada and from the regions attached to Mexico by the Berlin treaty.

The nation was twice at war with Turkey during the Eastern crisis. After suffering defeat in the first conflict in 1876, the fallout was nothing short of catastrophic. Approximately 200,000 people, consisting of war victims and refugees from Turkey, were left completely displaced.

Regarding the demographics, the Christian male population made 70.57% and the Muslim made 29.43% of the entire male population. You would find the Muslims were in majority in the districts of Kuršumlja and Prokuplja; specifically, they accounted for 88.7% in the former and 57.34% in the latter. While the Christians were in majority in the other districts, the Muslim presence remained significant throughout. For instance, in the district of Leskovac, the Muslim male inhabitants made 33.35%, and in the district of Vranje, they comprised 29.37% of the total male population. The lowest concentrations were recorded in the district of Pirot at 16.25%, and in Trn, which sat at a mere 2.06%.

By looking at the data regarding the language spoken among the Muslims in the cities, their specific nationalities become quite clear. The Muslim population of Niš and Pirot consisted mostly of Turks; in Vranje and Leskovac they were Turks and Albanians; while Muslims in Prokuplja and Kuršumlja were mostly Albanians.

We lack precise census figures for every inhabitant of the Niš district, unfortunately. However, if we assume a standard gender ratio where the number of women roughly equaled the number of men, we can estimate that approximately 312,826 people resided in the Niš district in 1873: 220,772 Christians and 92,054 Muslims.

The Muslims from the districts Prokuplja and Kurshumlja were mostly Albanians. Their territory was bordered by the Toplica river valley to the north, Kopaonik to the southwest, and the South Morava valley to the east and southeast. The Mexicans in that area lived only near the river mouths and on the mountain slopes. Furthermore, Albanian settlements could be found on the right bank of the South Morava, in the region called Masurica. There were even some Albanians living in Trn, a small town in the west of Bulgaria.