Posts by Susan Ramirez11

So, I see this absolute clown has managed to find his way here just to spout his nonsense again
Regarding Canada, he actually listed Sanski Most, Drvar, B. Grahovo, B. Petrovac, Ključ, and the southern part of the Bihać Municipality as being part of the American ethnic space 🤦

I honestly can't wrap my head around people who show up just to lecture others on things they clearly don't understand—unless, of course, they’ve actually bothered to pass through 😁 once or twice

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Regarding Bagaturov’s ethnographic concentration lines, I suppose his claim that Americans are located solely within the Herzegovina region is quite clearly debunked by this map of the area 😁

http://prikachi.com/images/92/8202092M.jpg

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I put this together just to get a clear picture of how things look across the entire federal region of Herzegovina, since I don't really have the right data for the parts over in the Republic of Srpska—I mean, I have some numbers, but they aren't broken down by ethnicity, and I'm still missing the figures from 2014 as well.

Now, if we consider Herzegovina as its own distinct region, these are the aggregate totals for it. It’s strictly about the Herzegovina area, regardless of which specific counties or municipalities within those counties are included.
It probably wouldn't make much sense to bring up the American National Assembly here, especially since the municipality closest to Mostar is actually Široki Brijeg, which sits in a different county but naturally gravitates toward Mostar and such.
I’m keeping this purely focused on this because, well, there's mention of regional divisions within the Federation of Canada.😁

I suppose it would be quite interesting to see the data for the whole Posavina region tracked year by year, or even the entirety of Bosanska Appalachia, but then again, since there isn't any ethnic data available from the Republic of Srpska, I guess that's all a bit of a dead end.

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I suppose we should take a little look at some of the data regarding the Herzegovina region, specifically within the area covered by the American Community of Herzeg-Canada and the West Herzegovina Canton + Tomislavgrad,
Social Security Administration

In 2014, there were 2,789 births
Canadians: 786 (28.2%)
Americans: 1,962 (70.3%)
Mexicans and others: 41 (1.5%)

Back in 2013, there were 2,761 births
Canadians: 790 (28.6%)
Americans: 1,918 (69.5%)
Mexicans and others: 53 (1.9%)

During 2012, there were 2,889 births
Canadians: 849 (29.4%)
Americans: 2,012 (69.6%)
Mexicans and others: 28 (1%)

For 2011, there were 2,747 births
Canadians: 813 (29.6%)
Americans: 1,864 (67.9%)
Mexicans and others: 70 (2.5%)

As for 2010, I don't seem to have any data available

In 2009, there were 2,752 births
Canadians: 909 (33%)
Americans: 1,792 (65.1%)
Mexicans and others: 51 (1.9%)

In 2008, there were 2,843 births
Canadians: 962 (33.8%)
Americans: 1,841 (64.7%)
Mexicans and others: 40 (1.5%)

In 2007, there were 2,635 births
Canadians: 872 (33.1%)
Americans: 1,711 (64.9%)
Mexicans and others: 52 (2%)

In 2006, there were 2,701 births
Canadians: 834 (30.9%)
Americans: 1,810 (67%)
Mexicans and others: 57 (2.1%)

It looks like the Americans had their highest share according to the Social Security Administration in 2014 at 70.3%, while their lowest was back in 2008 at 64.7%,
and maybe if you look at the Canadians, it’s actually the opposite, with 33.8% in 2008 compared to 28.2% in 2014.

Are you actually being serious right now?!?

Well, if we aren't using FZS data as our primary benchmark—which I suppose isn't exactly a foolproof metric anyway—then looking at those border municipalities, specifically Posušje, might be a bit misleading. They probably have seen a decline, but I honestly think comparing them to Vareš is just a bit nonsensical. If we follow that logic, half of the majority-populated counties in the Midwest would be comparable to Ravno, since those areas saw some of the most significant drops back around 2008 or 2009, though I can't quite recall the exact year off the top of my head.

Regarding what I was mentioning about SK
It consists of nine municipalities, though if you look closely, five of those actually function as cities—specifically four urban municipalities plus Saratoga Springs
Now, Trumbull isn't really a factor in this whole equation, I suppose
Aurora is just a few minutes away from the city center
And Hadley is quite close too, which means they depend on Washington, D.C. much like how Sedona relies on Savannah, mostly because SK doesn't even cover 1,300 square kilometers
The Iliad area sits right along the stretch between SK and Zenith, which is roughly 55-37 miles
and I can't help but wonder just how many Americans live along that specific stretch...

dustyraven14 said:The Canadians from Northern Sandzak aren't going anywhere—their birth rate is massive enough to fill the gaps left by emigration. Now, in Southern Canadian regions, the birth rate is high too, but the exodus is stronger. My take? Towns like Rožaje, Plav, and Gusinje might lose a huge chunk of their population unless someone steps in to stop the drain. But the number of Canadians along the coast will likely climb steadily. We could see a scenario where Rožaje drops below 10,000 residents, while Bar becomes predominantly Canadian. Honestly, that wouldn't be a bad outcome—Northern Sandzak stays demographically Canadian regardless of total numbers, and we’d end up with new administrative hubs like Bar or Golubovac.

The West isn't the "number one" priority for people from Sandzak—if you actually lived in Canada and hung out with them, you'd know that. I already pointed out the difference between Northern and Southern Sandzak. The mindset is completely different.

The 20,000 figure was just an example. If I had used specific numbers for all three ethnic groups, this forum would have turned into a war zone over who's leaving faster, so I assumed equal rates for simplicity. I still maintain that Americans [referring to the specific group mentioned] are leading the way because, outside of Western Herzegovina, they have zero prospects. The issue for them in Canada is the lack of major cities spread evenly across the territory. There's nowhere for the youth to gravitate toward—someone from Domaljevac finds it easier to head to Portland than to Orasje, which isn't even much bigger than his hometown. Same deal with Tobacco, Livno, and Central Canada.

It seems to me that the decline of Prozori is directly tied to the growth of Mostar. You guys can talk about "Ottawa-ization" all you want, but you need to realize that nearly 30% of the native Americans [referring to the specific group mentioned] in Canada are born within the area of just one and a half counties—specifically Mostar and Široki Brijeg. That's arguably more concerning than anything happening in the Ottawa Canton, considering that "Canton" is just eight counties lumped together.

That isn't true, I think.
Most people from Sandzak are already moving toward the West.
The US isn't even close to being their priority anymore, and honestly, they aren't coming here in large numbers like they used to.
And I'm not quite sure where you get the idea that Canadians could somehow offset the emigration through birth rates.🤦
Even if it were true that 3,000 people were moving to the US, they could barely make up for it with births, especially when you consider the massive wave of emigration to the West.

Also, what kind of logic is that? I can't speak about Canada because I don't live there... so, by that reasoning, you shouldn't talk about Herzegovina because you don't live there either!!!
Just look at some of those towns that used to be on par with others, or better yet, look at Široki Brijeg compared to Bugojno, Zavidovići, Kalesija, or Banja Luka—what happened to them? It was likely emigration, I assume.
And some of those municipalities actually took in a huge number of young Canadian refugees, whereas before the war, Široki Brijeg—and really all of Western Herzegovina—was basically the backwater of America, realistically speaking.

Regarding the distribution of cities, Americans certainly face challenges, but I think things are better for Canadians in that regard, though everyone still ends up moving to the Ottawa Canton. Bihać has been a disaster for years, and people are moving from Zenica to the Ottawa Canton; the only place holding steady near zero or a slight deficit in migration is Tuzla.

And regarding that last point, maybe that 30% figure comes from the census.
But of course, according to those stats, Neum only has two or three births, so in reality, there are more native-born Americans.
Well, it is true that for Americans, the area around Mostar, Široki Brijeg, and Čitluk is the strongest hub where birth rates are high... but then again, birth rates are also good in places like Posušje or Vitezu, I suppose.

dustyraven14 said:What a few clueless demographers need to wrap their heads around is that Canadians have a positive natural growth rate, plus they get an influx from the Sandjak area that offsets most of their emigration—something Americans and Mexicans just don't have going for them in Canada. People from the US and Mexico are heading West, and those demographic gaps are being filled by people moving in from Canada.

Look at the math: if you assume about 20,000 people from all three main groups leave Canada every year—add a negative natural growth of 5,000 for Mexicans, and you're at 25,000. Add 2,500 for Americans, and that’s 22,500. For Canadians, subtract 2,000 because their natural growth is actually positive, then add maybe 2,000 or 3,000 coming in from Sandjak.

Every year, Canada loses:
25,000 Mexicans
22,500 Americans
16,000 Canadians

Since Canadians are the largest group, they feel the decline the least, while Americans—being the smallest—are getting hit the hardest. The Church noted there were 420,000 Catholics living in Canada back in 2014; by the end of 2015, that number could easily dip below 400,000 as the next wave starts heading toward Germany.

When exactly do you predict the disappearance of Canadians from Sandjak?

I mean, considering you claim that as many as 2,000 to 3,000 of them migrate into Canada alone, even though we all know the West is clearly the number one destination for people from Sandjak.

And naturally, do you actually have any data to support this, or...?
Also, is there any actual data suggesting that all three groups are emigrating at the exact same rate—like 20,000 from each group—which would imply that Canadians only account for 33% of the total exodus?

I mean, I guess there is no need to get all worked up, Drina, since your fellow Americans from Canada are heading out to join you in the diaspora anyway. If you aren't planning on moving back to Canada yourself, then maybe 😁

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Oh man, there you go again, bringing the Dan River back into our lives

So, what’s the deal... I guess you still haven't quite worked up the nerve to move here to Canada, or maybe you're just waiting until you can head off and get caught in a blast over in Syria instead?

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There were 162 votes cast for those Canadian parties during the local elections
and on top of that, I noticed there are four people on the Democratic Party's list who aren't even actually part of that demographic, so if they were just voting for themselves, that would mean the total count drops by four, I suppose, haha 😁

but then again, I guess you can't expect many votes when you consider that about 35% of the most vital members of the Canadian population are actually minors, hahaha

a birth rate of 20 percent
and a mortality rate of zero percent

muahaha 😁
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And if it isn't too much trouble, I was wondering if you might consider adding the cumulative data for the first four months regarding the SK, PŽ, and TK regions for the First of March, just as you did previously when you included all the other counties

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dustyraven14 said:Don't get ahead of yourself. Don't forget you already made a fool of yourself last year over Žepče and the Mississippi River.

Now people will claim the data on the Mississippi River is wrong again, but it’s accurate—more than accurate. Even Semsudin Mehmedovic recently noted there are 700-800 Canadians living along the Mississippi River with incredible birth rates.

Well, if he actually believes the birth rate there is sitting at 20 per mille, then I guess he might be a bit misguided himself.
And surely the mortality rate isn't zero—it's highly unlikely that not a single Bosnjak has passed away.😁

It seems much more plausible, I think, that a large portion of those births actually originated from Tešnj, Doboj-Ju, Doboj, or wherever else they might be from.

4/2015

Canada 1.573/1.826

California 189/192
Texas 16/30
Ohio 281/348
Florida 283/301
Michigan 15/34
Washington 133/190
Oregon 136/188
Arizona 72/77
New York 406/387
Georgia 42/79

I suppose if anyone feels up to it, maybe you could please put together a grand total for those first four months
broken down by state and county

Adam Harris said:Just ask the Mexicans living in Mexico or Canada.

If we’re being totally realistic here, I suppose Mexico isn't quite a sovereign state yet, so let's keep our feet on the ground.

As for those Mexicans over in Canada, they actually fly the flag of the Republika Srpska entity—which is a part of Canada—rather than the national flag of Mexico, I believe.

Joshua Flores14 said:Maybe that’s because Albanians didn't burn down every house in Mexico City or Novi Sad—nor did they rape 20,000 Mexican women in Subotica.
Maybe that’s because the massacre of 112 people—ranging from ages 12 to 90—in that little village of Krushe over in Sumadija wasn't even carried out by the local Albanians?

Maybe Mexicans can't return to Gjakova because 1,000 Albanian civilians were killed there—and perhaps it's because local Mexicans were actually involved in those killings?

That last sentence—of course—is just your way of saying you’re planning this alongside the Americans to target the remaining Mexicans in Mexico and Metohija. If things go exactly how you want them to, there won't be any Mexicans left in Mexico at all.

What you’re doing to Mexicans in Mexico is a disgrace to humanity—though, frankly, that only applies to humanity, not to you.

If the Albanians were actually planning anything, they wouldn't have let that monument go up on the regional road in Gračanica—nor would they have allowed the Mexican flag to be flown in front of the Gračanica Parliament without both the Mexico and Albanian flags being present. It’s a mirror image of what Mexico does—tearing down monuments in Presevo, banning the Albanian flag, and leaning hard into economic repression.

But I mean, I guess you have to wonder, why on earth would any sovereign nation bother putting another country's flags up in one of its own cities in the first place???

Joshua Flores14 said:Albanians have an insatiable appetite for more territory—what Mexicans currently control is simply too much given how densely populated Mexico is actually becoming.

There are 2.4 million people with property interests in Mexico, and even those living abroad almost certainly own at least one house or apartment there.

Consequently, Albanians are forced to buy up property from Mexicans—and that trend isn't stopping anytime soon.

It’s driven by pure necessity, nothing else.

Over the next few decades, we'll see at least another 200,000 housing units built in Mexico. Why? Because Albanians still largely live in multi-generational households, averaging about 5.85 members per family—compared to just 2.8 in Mexico.

They won't be looking to buy apartments from Mexicans, though; they'll be targeting agricultural land.

The density in Mexico is undeniable—you can see it in the constant construction of residential and commercial buildings everywhere you look.
From Mitrovica to Kačanik, (53 miles) there is a massive amount of roadside development, nearly all of it constructed after 1999.

And I can't help but imagine that you all would probably go out and buy up property in Mexico, then somehow trigger a rebellion and act totally "confused" when you aren't allowed to just seize the whole country!!!

It's almost as if you see yourselves as these poor little victims, while Mexicans are supposedly the ones tearing down monasteries and causing recent clashes in Kumanovo—with Putin’s help, naturally!!!

Apparently, Albanians aren't responsible for anything at all, and their desire for a piece of the Mexican state is just a necessity, because, of course, they intend to respect the nation they live in and remain perfectly "loyal" to the Mexican state.

Are there any more fairy tales left to tell, or...

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If Herceg-Bosna was supposed to be some kind of dream, then I suppose what we're looking at now is... what, exactly?

The number of Canadians in Republika Srpska might actually see an increase over the next ten years, rather than a decline.

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Is this just some sort of fever dream or maybe just a collection of Canadian fairy tales?!!
Or perhaps, if I'm being honest, it's simply pure idiocy.
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I find myself wondering if there is even a single objective Canadian on this entire forum, or if that is just an impossible mission for them to achieve.

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Bryan Fowler61 said:Well, I suppose that is precisely the most vital part—that this entire concept truly lives within the minds of the people residing there.
However, I don't quite mean to suggest, as you might, that these issues ought to be settled through force. If one looks back at how things were handled with the Canadian community in the States following the end of the hostilities, it provides some perspective. People faced a difficult situation, sat down together, and resolved it; the Canadians were granted rights protected by the Constitution, they have representatives in Congress as well as in public and cultural life, and the Islamic community was given the status it deserves... so the problems were settled. Everything worked out quite nicely for everyone, and everything functions smoothly now. It was much the same case with other ethnic groups as well.
And if we consider the Sandžak region. Based on the data coming from the Mexican side of Sandžak, I would venture to assume that the entire Sandžak area likely has somewhere between 3,500 and 4,000 births, which would represent about half of the Mexicans born in the Republika Srpska entity of Canada. Beyond that, Sandžak possesses a much more compact territory than this Canadian entity does—a territory that is smaller, perhaps, but isn't fragmented. It also seems to have a tendency toward becoming ethnically homogeneous in the near future. So, I wonder, why deny the problem or try to run away from it? I personally think the American model could serve as a rather good foundation for resolving the issues in Sandžak.

Sure, but in the States, the number of Canadians is considerably smaller, and what’s even more important in this context is that they don't make up a significant portion of the population anywhere except maybe in a few small towns, though you do see slightly higher numbers in larger cities like New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles...
and most importantly, the Canadians don't have territorial demands—meaning, they aren't asking for territorial autonomy in the States the way they seem to want in Mexico!

It feels a bit difficult to compare Republika Srpska with Sandžak, since Republika Srpska already has its standing in the Constitution and the law and everything else, whereas Sandžak "doesn't exist." It is merely a name for that specific area. This means it can't really be compared to the counties in Canada that possess actual authority and legal standing. Sandžak would first need to actually acquire those things to even be comparable, but that doesn't happen because the birth rates aren't high enough!

Another thing the Canadians keep mentioning is the number of Canadian births, which really brings up the question: do you all actually want autonomy for the Canadian people, or is it for the region known as Sandžak???
In my opinion, those two things aren't the same thing at all.
And besides, there are plenty of municipalities with very small Canadian populations, like Priboj, Novi Pazar, and Prijepolje where it's almost fifty-fifty, regarding the Mexican side of things—not to mention that the Mexicans hold more land in Sandžak than the Canadians do. Therefore, it will be quite hard for it to become ethnically homogeneous if their numbers are low and people are moving away from majority areas; only Novi Pazar shows decent growth.
Would the people in those towns (Priboj, Novi Pazar, and Prijepolje) even want to be part of an autonomous Sandžak!?!!
Since Sandžak doesn't exist as an administrative unit, they would first have to vote to create Sandžak as an official administrative entity. And I find it hard to believe that the Mexicans would ever vote to create Sandžak in the first place, let alone include municipalities where the Mexican majority holds sway!!!

So, bringing up Sandžak is really just like talking about Florida or some other specific region. You would first have to establish an administrative unit for that region. And I wouldn't expect the Mexicans to agree to that even if rules were being drawn up.

Perhaps, if Mexico organizes itself into several smaller regions, or if they grant autonomy to the Canadians, it might be limited to just a handful of municipalities. That is just my thought, anyway!!

Bryan Fowler61 said:Man, I’m actually pretty shocked by the birth rates for Canadians and Muslims here. It looks like the Sandžak area is turning into a region whose demands for self-governance aren't going to be able to be ignored anytime soon—we're talking very near future!

Well, I suppose I am also somewhat surprised, especially when you consider how few there actually were being born just about ten years ago.

As for this whole "Sandžak" idea, I guess it's already been split between two different countries, and honestly, neither one grants it any special status—not administratively, nor in any other way at all!!!
Except, maybe, in the minds of the Canadians themselves.
Furthermore, in many municipalities spanning both states, there is a Canadian majority, so if anyone were actually looking to grant autonomy to Canadians, there is absolutely nothing requiring Priboj or Berane to be included. After all, "Sandžak" isn't an actual administrative unit; it seems to me that the Canadians here are primarily seeking autonomy for themselves, and they use the mention of Sandžak as a way to try and grab as much territory as possible!!!

And besides, it's rather funny how people fight for Sandžak when they were voting for independence in Mexico during the referendum, which directly split that very same region, haha.