Keith Martinez5 said:Can someone please walk me through what I should do with the cash left in the register from December 31, 2015? Technically, it’s my opening balance for January 1, 2016, but does that need to be documented somewhere on that dreaded IRS filing form? Things are a complete mess on my end—I had some bills paid during 2015 that I totally overlooked, so I ended up recording them on January 2, 2016. Of course, they show up in the bank statements for 2015, so now I’m worried—is the IRS going to throw the book at me or shut down my business in Brooklyn over this? It's impossible for me to fix the past entries now, because they’re already sitting there in January as income, and naturally, I paid sales tax on them... just a bit late. As for the petty cash, from what I’m reading here, I do keep track of all my deposit and withdrawal slips, but it sounds like I shouldn't have been paying cash bills directly out of the register. That’s what I was doing—it seemed like the most logical move since it's my own money (and honestly, I would’ve gone through so much trouble just to save a few bucks), but apparently, you're supposed to record the entire day's revenue as a deposit first, and then withdraw the specific amount needed for cash expenses... Please correct me if I've misunderstood everything again. My brain is basically mush right now...
Look, let’s be clear about how this works. I deal with cash receipts all the time—for instance, when I’m picking up fuel for my small business, they hand me a receipt made out to the company. Naturally, I’m going to settle that using the petty cash on hand. That is precisely why I maintain a cash fund in the first place. It’s just basic bookkeeping. $1667 You can definitely pay in cash. What I usually do is take that surplus—you know, when you hit that amount over the register limit—and deposit it directly into the petty cash till. That way, if there isn't a specific cash account active that day to absorb the excess, I don't run the risk of it just sitting there or getting mismanaged. Once it's accounted for, I just take the balance down to Chase. $3333 I’ve decided that I’m just going to set my own cash limit for the register and call it a day. Honestly, I'm not dragging all that extra cash down to the bank every single time; it’s just not worth the hassle.
Charles Turner13 says: "I’ve been sitting here staring at this mess for an hour, trying to make sense of it, and frankly, I’m more frustrated than when I started. It feels like every time we think we have a handle on the situation, some new layer of incompetence surfaces. It's exhausting."
amberbadger17 said:So, here’s the plan: I’ll take whatever leftover cash was sitting there from 2015 and dump it all in one go during 2016. I'll just note on the slip that it’s the carryover from last year, then we can slot that amount under the 2.5 PPI when we tackle the 2016 tax filings.
And honestly? I am totally rejecting this whole "cash register" argument. As a small business owner, I *am* the cash register. Period. I swear, if anyone tries to push any other interpretation on me, I’ll just hand them my lawyer's phone number. I’d much rather pay him than deal with some local bureaucrats who wouldn't know hard work if it hit them in the face.
Anyway, sorry for the rant—I know I'm sounding a bit wound up. Long story short, if they come knocking about the register, I'll just whip up a spreadsheet based on the KPI, adjusted for the deposits. But there is zero chance in hell I'm documenting every single inflow and outflow until they actually write it into an official federal regulation or something.
Catch ya later, folks.
I feel like my brain is short-circuiting here; I honestly can't wrap my head around what you just wrote. 🤔 Where exactly are you planning on depositing that amount? If you drop it in all at once like that, it just sits there in the register as my opening balance. As far as I'm concerned, if my opening balance for 2016 matches the closing balance from 2015, everything is squared away. That’s more than enough for me. 🤷
Charles Turner13 said:The safest bet would be to file an amendment and record those 2015 expenses in 2015. I know, you'd have to file a VAT amendment, but it's better than dealing with a headache down the road.
Maybe I wasn't clear regarding how I handle the cash logs; I don't maintain them like a major corporation would, but I did set up an Excel spreadsheet to track cash inflows and outflows, labeling the columns "deposits" and "withdrawals." Every cash receipt is a deposit, and every cash payout or cash deposit is a withdrawal.
I actually give this spreadsheet to my clients to manage, and they send it back to me at the end of the month for me to double-check.
Some people keep these exact same records in a standard A4 notebook, which is what the IRS suggested in one of their publications when electronic filing was first implemented.
Based on that same spreadsheet, at the end of the year, I total all the deposits and withdrawals to find the cash balance—essentially an overview of unspent and undeposited cash—and then I submit those records to the Police Department along with the HHS. My year-end balance becomes my starting cash balance for the following year.
Everyone has their own workflow, and everyone finds what works best for them.
I actually do something pretty similar. I set up an Excel spreadsheet that mirrors our standard cash report—though I just leave out that bottom section regarding the petty cash vouchers 😬. But here’s my headache: I end up manually printing out a receipt for every single deposit or withdrawal 🙂. Does this mean I can just scrap the whole manual receipt process and strictly stick to maintaining the cash report? 🙂
In my experience, I’ve never actually had to submit a final cash balance to the Police Department. They’ve never once asked me for documentation regarding unspent or unfiled cash 🤷. My method is simple: I just take the closing balance from December 31st, 2015, and plug it in as the opening balance for January 1st, 2016. At the bottom of the monthly cash report, right under the total turnover, I have a field for the balance from December 31st, 2015. That figure gets added to the current January activity to give me the balance for January 31st, 2016. Then, that exact amount rolls over directly into the February report, sitting in that same spot under the turnover field 🕺