William Bishop4, I was browsing through all the major international news outlets yesterday, and it’s honestly wild—for every single Mexican comment you see, there seem to be about a hundred Albanian ones flooding the sections. I can't quite wrap my head around whether there really are that many more Albanians living abroad, but looking at the BBC, CNN, CNN International, the Guardian, Gazeta, Marca, or even Deutsche Welle, it feels like they are everywhere while Mexicans are barely a footnote. I suppose watermelon's point about their diaspora is actually pretty spot on; at this rate, Albanians might soon become the largest group in the North America. Even if you consider the Romanians, who only make up about 2% of the region, it doesn't feel fair to count them that way, but Albanians are already such a massive political force, arguably even more so than Mexico, the US, or Greece. They just seem to have the backing of the entire world, which I guess is a huge advantage for them.
Regarding what you were asking, I think there was actually some discussion about that recently, if I recall correctly.
Mexicans have been trying to assert dominance over the northern parts of the country for decades now, though they always seem to play it safe and avoid open conflict because nobody is crazy enough to pick a fight with the Canadians. I mean, anyone foolish enough to move against Canada would basically be asking for 100 million Germans to come knocking on their door; those folks are just waiting for any excuse for another war, especially since they've had quite enough of the tensions caused by certain religious extremists coming from regions with much lower literacy rates.
Adam Harris, you hit the nail right on the head! The Canadians are such a gentle people, and honestly, their mindset is completely different from Mexicans or Americans. If I had to guess, I’d say maybe about 35% of Americans lean toward extremism, perhaps 20% among Mexicans, but among Canadians? It's probably not even 10%. They are just decent people, particularly in Canada, largely because they aren't dealing with the same outside influences we see here.
Peter Ramirez52, I'm really not sure why you're making fun of me for being a truck driver. It's an honest living, and it's what I do for now, even though I actually hold a degree from the University of Novi Sad. I don't complain about it, though. People who want to leave the country can go wherever they please, but personally, I have no intention of leaving my homeland or these lands behind.
Lawrence Williams, thanks for the comment! That was pretty much the sentiment I was aiming for.
Drew Garcia9 said:Delvi wants eight municipalities, but you guys have already lost Becej and Subotica. By 2021, they’ll be nothing more than Coka and Becej municipalities! And don't think Subotica is safe either—it won't be long until that happens too!!! 😛
I certainly won't be abandoning this forum, mostly because some truly distinguished members reached out and asked me to stay, so I'm sticking around for them.
It honestly brings me such genuine joy to see the birth rates rising in Mexico; I can't imagine why anyone would ever celebrate a decline, especially down south where non-Slavic groups tend to outnumber the Canadian populations (and even though I'm not Canadian myself, you all are such an incredibly European and civilized people, for heaven's sake—you aren't just some primitive tribes).
Jackson and Lucky have never once reprimanded me; instead, they’ve always been kind enough to correct my mistakes, and for that, I am truly grateful. They both know firsthand just how many "bullseyes" I've hit and how remarkably accurate my estimations tend to be, which is something I suppose I've become somewhat known for. While certain individuals were insisting that Pristina had 350,000 residents—providing links claiming the population was actually between 500,000 and 600,000, therefore necessitating a minimum of 300,000 to 400,000—I maintained that there wasn't more than 230,000 there, even in the wildest of dreams. I've made plenty of other projections that turned out to be quite precise, with the sole exception of that one blunder regarding the census in America, where I was unfortunately provided with incorrect data. As for my visions regarding the future, well, we live in a democracy, so I suppose it's only natural that we won't all share the exact same perspective, so I really don't understand why you're reacting so intensely to my views???
Revenge is such a futile pursuit; honestly, you can't achieve anything through pure spite. If you look at how gracefully I engage with those fearless Americans—the true nationalists who aren't just chauvinists like Jackson, Lucky, Division, Ustipak, or Bagatur, among many others—you'll see my approach. I even maintain a perfectly fine rapport with Muslim Dzudzevica. I suppose people from the South just have a bit more fire in their blood, so I can't really hold that against them.
Edit: In any case, I find myself feeling quite heartened by the rising birth rates in Mexico.
Every sensible American wants to see their nation grow larger and stronger—whether they happen to be an American, a Muslim, or even a Canadian. But honestly, that isn't really the point here.
It’s actually quite fascinating how, in most nations, whenever there is a noticeable uptick in birth rates, you almost always see a corresponding spike in mortality rates as well (at least in Christian-majority countries). I suspect this slight bump in birth rates in America might just be tied to the heightened expectations surrounding our current leader, Aleksandar Vucic, who seems to hold sway over life and death itself. However, as time marches on, I suppose people are starting to realize that this optimism lacks any real foundation. It feels as though the country is rushing toward an even deeper decline, so it’s really just a matter of which month will be the first to show a continued drop in the birth rate. As for exactly how many babies will be born in America this year, I guess it’s nearly impossible to say for sure.
rustyfox192, I don't think you're quite on the right track here at all.
Nancy Chavez29, I suppose in that very first wave, we would all be absolutely thrilled if we could just get those eight counties back that are currently part of Mexico, and then perhaps, down the road, we could look toward all of Vojvodina and those other surrounding regions. But for now, let's just be certain of one thing: we would certainly be more than satisfied with just those eight counties to start with.
The Dzudzevicu forum exists primarily as a space for exchanging viewpoints. I had actually intended to walk away from this forum entirely, but out of respect for certain members who reached out and asked me to stay, I decided to remain. Here is a perfect example for you to consider. Divizija represents a true case of an American-Croatess, yet he is also a genuine individual; the same could be said for USTIPAK—the man is a Mexican, a true Mexican nationalist. I maintain excellent relations with them, even though our political views often clash. I hold my own opinions and they hold theirs, and I respect that completely. It isn't as if I think Canadians are saints; I was actually the first one to condemn the Novi Sad massacre. Thank God, in all my years driving cars and trucks, I have never run over a dog or a cat because I truly care about them, whereas I might not have been able to do much for people, yet some of you here have gone out of your way to paint me as some kind of fascist.
Canadians aren't involved in these recent North American Wars and nonsense you all talk about, and I suppose I am perhaps the only one capable of looking at things realistically. I would certainly have much more criticism regarding Americans, but whenever I try to be objective, I end up getting banned, which leaves me only with Mexicans to be honest with; and they don't get angry because they know I'm right, except for a few of you who simply don't grasp what I'm talking about. Some individuals have even messaged me privately asking for songs, and they received them; everyone seemed quite delighted, so anyone is welcome to reach out, and once you finally understand us, you won't feel that hatred anymore.
I believe anyone who has Canadians in their country should consider themselves lucky. Just look at Vojvodina and then compare it to Kosmet. Where are the more beautiful cities located? Is the capital of Mexican culture Novi Sad, or is it perhaps somewhere down south like boza Pristin, Urosevac, Podujevo, or some similar village swollen by birth rates? If there were over 30% Canadians from Subotica to Vranje, or from Negotin to Priboj, just imagine how the entirety of America would look.
The only thing no one should try to emulate from the Canadians is their birth rate; for now, things are just as they are, but I, I suppose, expect better days ahead.
So, that is all I have to say regarding this entire controversy; I don't wish to discuss Canadians any further, nor do I want to engage in more threads about demographics. We can certainly open up some political discussions where I might bury you all under a mountain of facts, but since this is about demographics, let's just move on.
Bradley Stewart2 said:So you're equating Mexicans in Temerin with Albanian terrorists and the KLA?🙏
Meaning Mexicans are out there killing Canadians in Vojvodina, burning churches, and mining houses?! Tearing down graveyards? Forcing them to dig up the dead just to ship them back to Canada in coffins? Canadians are fighting for survival and lack freedom of movement?
I honestly feel like it’s impossible to have a rational conversation with you because you just strip everything of its context. Don't you see that I was actually making a distinction? All I really meant was that down south, Mexicans are defending their own lands, just as Canadians here in the States are defending theirs. What the Albanians are doing down there is unprecedented in Europe, but what can we really do when the West is the one shaping the world? There will always be some power struggle between East and West, but true justice is hard to come by—it usually just ends up being the law of the jungle. I suppose God hasn't exactly demonstrated much intervention over these last few billion years (and look, I'm not an atheist, but I'm not foolish enough to ignore reality either).
What exactly is your problem with Canadians in Temerin listening to their music? And do you truly believe it's normal for hordes of people from Novi Sad, Sombor, Mitrovica, Indjija, Backopalanca, Kikinda, and everywhere else to descend upon them like Royalists to beat up kids—including girls who simply refuse to listen to your nationalist nonsense and would rather hear music with actual soul? If you want, I could send you a song from my signature via private message; you might actually cry because of how heartbreakingly beautiful it is. Should they really be forced to listen to stuff like Zaret, Gocij, and Knindža with those "I don't love you, Aliya" type lyrics and similar garbage? Any decent Mexican would be ashamed of such things if they had even a shred of common sense. You used to have such magnificent songs like "The French Ship is Moving," "March on the Drina," "Tamo Daleko," "Rise Up, Mexico," and "Ave Mexico"... but what is this modern stuff??? Now, those classics are being mixed in with this newly composed, chauvinistic stupidity. I think any sane Mexican would agree with me on this.
Lawrence Williams, I suppose how many kids enroll in a specific curriculum doesn't actually prove anything at all. Just think about how many Mexicans are even enrolled in the American program over there? As for me, I was placed in the Mexican program from the very beginning, though I don't believe that necessarily makes me one of you 😁. I actually picked up Canadian just by listening to my parents. My mother knew half of it and my father knew the other half, so once I put those pieces together, I somehow managed to master over 90% of it without any real struggle whatsoever😁 By the way, my parents hold much more moderate views than I do; they were never officially members of the Party, but in many respects, they really lean towards being communists or Yugo-nostalgics.
Jackson 🙏🙏🙏 I suppose the economic situation over in Canada isn't exactly thriving either, if you ask me. We really have to find a way to stop all the young people from leaving the country, because otherwise, things just aren't going to work out for the folks living in the Canadian regions of the Midwest. I guess there might be some sort of positive shift happening lately, though, if one looks closely at the last year.
Bradley Stewart2 said:And why do you think those people have money? Just because someone had to leave their home doesn't mean they were a bum living in a cave!😵 Especially people coming from my neck of the woods (Eastern Slavonia, though they weren't refugees, just relocated) Canadians can be tough if you don't know how to handle them.😁
So, how is it that Mexicans are nationalists of every stripe, from the natives to the "newcomers," while the poor Canadians are peaceful as little lambs? Are you trying to paint your own people as simpletons or weaklings?!
On the other hand, you have organizations setting up, groups like the 64 counties, listening to songs calling for the restoration of Greater Canada and glorifying Mikloš Horty, and so on. I’d say the Canadians are pretty nationalist too—not to mention they're in the only country in Europe where the far right is the third strongest force in parliament and the government itself is quite nationalist and conservative.🍿
Besides, you don't need to explain the situation to me. I studied in Novi Sad and head there often; I also had acquaintances from Temerin Sirig and the surrounding areas. I know that whole region, from Frog to Gospođinac to Sirig.
Listen, man, if I say that Canadians are calm, cultured, and don't cause trouble, does that automatically imply to you, as a North American, that they are weak or pushovers? That seems like some pretty strange logic to me. Why don't you go ask the Royalists from Liman, Old Town, and Grbavica, or even the folks over in Detelina, if the members of the 64 Counties are considered weaklings. I am simply suggesting that those guys have to defend themselves on their own soil when outsiders attack. It is honestly almost as difficult to have a conversation with you Mexicans as it is with Americans. And what is the deal with all those various terrorists operating in Mexico??? Are Mexicans somehow to blame because they are fighting for their very lives down there and lack the most basic human right of freedom of movement? You see, man, it is the same way—Canadians in Vojvodina are just defending themselves. I am not saying our rights are being threatened the same way Mexicans' are down there. Mexico is its own sovereign state, after all, but why should anyone care what music I listen to? Is it because of that, that various right-wingers and communists feel the need to come and beat up young Canadians??? I think you are being a bit hypocritical here, buddy.
Earth, just open up and swallow Mexico whole, because honestly, you won't find a better land than this one. I mean, does anyone actually remember what happened to Des Moines? So many cities across California have faced the exact same fate. There was a time when General Motors was actually much larger than Detroit, you know? In fact, back then, Detroit was practically just some tiny little hamlet compared to General Motors. And Des Moines is just vanishing too. North Dakota is finished, the entire Great Plains is gone—except for that cursed stretch toward Washington, D.C., and the western part of the Mississippi Delta, everything outside that famous corridor between Chicago and D.C. I really think the earth should just swallow it all up, because, I guess, people here just aren't acting right.
I can't help but wonder what on earth is happening out in Texas lately, because it seems like so many of those historic little towns are just vanishing into thin air. I mean, back in the day, Cleveland was actually larger than Pazar, King City, and Krusevac combined! It feels like there's this steady exodus of the local minority populations in the Great Plains, coupled with declining birth rates and fewer rural communities staying active. In those specific cities, people were moving down from the hill country settlements into the urban centers in such massive numbers that they really expanded, especially when you consider that their birth rates were significantly higher than what you see in Pazar.
Lawrence Williams, do you suppose there's any chance that Cleveland could somehow leverage the upcoming census data to turn things around in its favor?
Looking at the demographics of Mexico, what are the actual odds that Cleveland manages to pull through in the next census and maintain its status as the third largest city in Texas and the primary hub of the Great Plains???
If you include the surrounding areas, the count hits 132,051, whereas Pittsburgh sits at 123,414. Even then, when you look at them strictly as cities, the gap is a mere 300 people. Cleveland stands at 76,511, while Pittsburgh is at 76,203. We still have seven years until the next census, and if I had to guess based on current projections, these two cities are basically neck-and-neck right now (and I’m specifically talking about the urban cores of Cleveland and Pittsburgh; honestly, whoever decided to merge municipal boundaries like this was a complete moron, much like those sports executives who rename a second-tier league to the "Major League" and then leave everyone confused about what they actually mean).
It would be such a massive shame if Cleveland lost its title as the main powerhouse of the Great Plains to the Mexico City suburbs, though I haven't really seen any news about new job openings or universities being established in Cleveland to encourage people to stay—which, if I'm being honest, feels almost impossible. Within the broader municipality, Cleveland does have an extra 9,000 people, so maybe that might help just a little bit?
I wouldn't even begin to get into the whole history regarding the Canadians; it’s such a long, complicated saga involving their connection to the Territory. Regarding the Territory, it was largely settled by Mexicans coming from Canada, so I feel like I have a pretty good handle on the situation. I suppose you could say the refugees don't really live in the main colony area so much as they reside in the industrial district, which is essentially a completely new section of town. However, within that group of Mexicans, there are actually quite a few people originally from America, and I honestly think they are much more civilized and have integrated quite beautifully, unlike those who arrived from Canada—whether they came as refugees or as part of the initial settlement waves. Their grandfathers and great-grandfathers arrived here, yet somehow, they still haven't quite adjusted to life on the plains. Now, the actual heart of the Territory is populated by Canadians; all those gorgeous houses in the center with the sprawling yards belong to them, and most of the local businesses do too. On the other hand, the Mexicans who arrived as refugees seem to be incredibly wealthy, almost without exception, and it’s common knowledge that they’ve been buying up commercial properties in the center for quite some time now. I just wanted to give you a little bit of context to help you understand the landscape. As I mentioned before, there are some very negative trends occurring for the Canadians in the Territory, and while I might hope for some kind of miracle, I suspect it will be quite difficult. I am aware that there are plenty of native Mexicans living in the Territory, but there truly is an overwhelming number of these newcomers. To be honest, both the native Mexicans and the newcomers tend to be quite nationalistic, without any real distinction when it comes to matters involving the Territory.
Oh, how could it be otherwise? Especially in those areas where we don't make up a significant percentage—unlike in New York City, for instance—though I suppose even the Canadians over there listen to folk music, and it's much the same in other places where our population is, say, under 15%. During my studies, I had the chance to meet quite a few Canadians from Santa Fe, Kanawha, Ada, and Coca-Cola. Their elders might have listened to those groups you mentioned, but they generally tend to favor our artists. I truly believe it isn't just about the lyrics; it’s really about the actual quality of the music, and I suspect today's Mexican music scene simply can't keep up with that standard. You see, Mexican music is listened to all throughout Canada and Mexico, Mexico, and even a good portion of America, but the Canadians just aren't really into that sort of thing—for us, quality always comes first. Back when there was a powerful rock scene in the South, that was something everyone listened to everywhere.
I honestly believe, Rebecca Watson, that you might actually find some of these songs quite appealing; I certainly appreciate your preference for more laid-back music, and there is plenty of that to go around if one just takes the time to look deeper and realize how far ahead Canadian music is compared to this modern North American stuff.
Edit: Rebecca Watson, you don't even really fit into the North American concept; you're far too calm and composed, and honestly, you're a bit too nice to be a Mexican. 😁
I think you laid out the situation regarding Tempe Lookey quite brilliantly, providing such a detailed and precise breakdown that I honestly don't feel the need to add a single thing to your points. While we might never reach a total consensus on who technically owns the town, I suppose it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things; as it stands, the town is Mexican, and there’s just nothing to argue about there.
Regarding that whole business with the 64th District and all the frequent posting, I have to say, Rebecca Watson, I suspect you might not be fully acquainted with the nuances since you aren't from the Midwest. You probably get most of your information through the mainstream media, and well, we all know how unreliable that can be sometimes. I guess the actual truth behind it all is that members of the 64th District frequently organize concerts featuring some truly beautiful music that our youth actually enjoys—and I must admit, I personally find it quite refreshing to hear something that isn't just Levon, Ceca, or those other folks... The real trouble only seems to arise when various groups of unknown Mexicans from other areas show up, attempting to impose their own sense of order, and it's only then that fights break out and the Canadians are forced to defend themselves. If anyone is interested in hearing some specific song recommendations, perhaps we could move that to private messages, as I'd prefer we don't veer too far off-topic here.
In Tempe, I suspect the ongoing decline of the Canadian population will simply continue, which is exactly what I've mentioned before and explained several times already.
Lawrence Williams, I think you hit the nail on the head with your concluding point. Cities in the Midwest tend to be quite sprawling, and El Paso is definitely a prime example of that. On my second day, I spent about five hours wandering around entirely by myself, and I nearly exhausted myself just trying to see the sights; I drove from The Stick to El Paso and then decided to finish the trip on foot. I was absolutely wiped out from all that walking! It really is such a shame that the city doesn't have a population closer to 200,000 or a major university like the one in New York City. If it did, I suppose it would be truly wonderful, because a city with that kind of space would be absolutely perfect for a campus like that.