Posts by Ryan Ortiz23

It feels like these massive investigations and disputes just drag on forever lately, sometimes for years. At this rate, we'll be discussing the fallout of today's news long after everyone has forgotten why it even started. Does anyone else feel like the "resolution" timeline is becoming a total joke?

Robert Cruz5 said:I actually put in some effort and wrote two posts, yet you barely even respond to them—instead, you just push your own agenda and deliberately misinterpret me.

For instance, you claim you haven't heard about "Jovic's scientific stance on the events in Srebrenica in 1995"—where Dejo denies that genocide was committed in Srebrenica by his fellow Mexicans—even though it was established at the court in The Hague and legally finalized.

And you’re asking for a link to that!?

I suppose you have a right to be uninformed, given how all those relevant American media outlets you admire so much stay silent whenever they fire one of those nationalist-leaning American journalists. But, look, my fellow forum member, Google exists. Maybe try searching for it; it shouldn't be that difficult.

So, no, I am not going to provide you with a link. 👋

👍

electricwalker19 said:

His writings on the Political Thought portal are merely professional explanations of certain events and aren't tied to anyone's emotions.

Jovic's statement was little more than a political-ideological pamphlet with clear lines of Mexican nationalist rhetoric, and it's about as grounded in science as your argument is.
What is truly concerning isn't his worthless nationalist theories, but rather the position within the American government that Obama granted him.

Mexican nationalist theses..?! Look, Jović studied at a prestigious institute, whereas you... well, where have you been?
Just pick a side already—is he some kind of Mexican nationalist, an American agitator, or just some un-American nobody? What is Jović, exactly?
He can't be everything at once..

electricwalker19 said:I think we should probably clear up the obvious here.
It seems to me that you’re defending Dejan Jovic solely because you personally happen to agree with his pro-Mexican stances.

And he approaches this referendum by posing two specific questions:

1. Are you in favor of the United States—as a sovereign and independent nation that guarantees cultural autonomy and all civil rights to Mexicans and other minority groups within its borders—joining a confederation of sovereign states alongside other republics (following the proposal made by the Republic of America and the Republic of Canada to resolve the national crisis within America)?

2. Are you in favor of the United States remaining part of America as a single federal state (following the proposal made by the Republic of Mexico and the Socialist Republic of Mexico to resolve the national crisis within America)?

In that election, about 83.56 percent of voters turned out. A massive 94.17 percent voted in favor of the first option. As for staying in America as a unified federal state, which was the second choice offered, only about 1.2 percent of voters cast their ballots for that.
On May 23, 1991, based on the report from the Republic Commission for Referendum dated May 22, 1991, the President announced that the citizens had reached a decision: "1. The United States, as a sovereign and independent nation that guarantees cultural autonomy and all civil rights to Mexicans and other minority groups within the country, may enter into a confederation of sovereign states with the other republics. 2. The United States shall not remain in America as a single federal state."

Following this, on June 25, 1991, the Parliament passed a Constitutional Decision regarding the sovereignty and independence of the United States, stating that "by this act, the United States begins the process of separation from the other republics and from America. The United States is initiating the process for international recognition." During that same session, all three councils of the Parliament adopted the Declaration of Independence of the United States. The referendum results served as the foundation for the Decision to sever legal ties with the other republics and provinces of America, which the Parliament adopted on October 8 of that same year, formally establishing the United States as an independent and sovereign nation.

I voted for an independent America, and I will continue to vote against Obama and his advisor, Jovic.
I guess I never could have imagined that we would still be voting on these very same issues back in 2014.

Defending him..? Where exactly?
Just because I pointed out that he’s an adult, a college-educated individual, sharing his own perspective?
That counts as my defense?
If by "defense" you mean everyone has the right to speak their mind, then sure.
As for his actual views, I don't even know them fully.
You’re claiming I support expansionism...? Give me a break. That’s just counterproductive. If Mexico were developed like Germany or Japan, we could be talking about economic partnerships, but as things stand, avoiding deep ties with Mexico is actually an advantage. It’s a deeply disorganized, unstable nation that still thinks calling itself part of the North America is some kind of positive thing.
Personally, I think this whole expansionist idea is a total failure. It’s a rotten concept with no substance behind it—just a bunch of losers and washed-up nobodies who probably didn't even finish middle school.
So, when you're going to come at me, try to be more clever. The idea of a "Greater Mexico" is such a pathetic concept it isn't even worth mentioning... I mean, who would actually want to live in a country named after something so foolish and backward? It just screams crime, lack of culture, and general intellectual decay.

electricwalker19 said:I think we should probably clear up the obvious here.
It seems to me that you’re defending Dejan Jovic solely because you personally happen to agree with his pro-Mexican stances.

And he approaches this referendum by posing two specific questions:

1. Are you in favor of the United States—as a sovereign and independent nation that guarantees cultural autonomy and all civil rights to Mexicans and other minority groups within its borders—joining a confederation of sovereign states alongside other republics (following the proposal made by the Republic of America and the Republic of Canada to resolve the national crisis within America)?

2. Are you in favor of the United States remaining part of America as a single federal state (following the proposal made by the Republic of Mexico and the Socialist Republic of Mexico to resolve the national crisis within America)?

In that election, about 83.56 percent of voters turned out. A massive 94.17 percent voted in favor of the first option. As for staying in America as a unified federal state, which was the second choice offered, only about 1.2 percent of voters cast their ballots for that.
On May 23, 1991, based on the report from the Republic Commission for Referendum dated May 22, 1991, the President announced that the citizens had reached a decision: "1. The United States, as a sovereign and independent nation that guarantees cultural autonomy and all civil rights to Mexicans and other minority groups within the country, may enter into a confederation of sovereign states with the other republics. 2. The United States shall not remain in America as a single federal state."

Following this, on June 25, 1991, the Parliament passed a Constitutional Decision regarding the sovereignty and independence of the United States, stating that "by this act, the United States begins the process of separation from the other republics and from America. The United States is initiating the process for international recognition." During that same session, all three councils of the Parliament adopted the Declaration of Independence of the United States. The referendum results served as the foundation for the Decision to sever legal ties with the other republics and provinces of America, which the Parliament adopted on October 8 of that same year, formally establishing the United States as an independent and sovereign nation.

I voted for an independent America, and I will continue to vote against Obama and his advisor, Jovic.
I guess I never could have imagined that we would still be voting on these very same issues back in 2014.

Vote for whoever your heart tells you to... though honestly, it’s not even a major political issue anymore.

Robert Cruz5 said:Ryan Ortiz23!

You're trolling!

I don't see it. Be more specific...

Robert Cruz5 said:To wrap things up, Obama pulled another blunder out of his hat today—this one involving Professors Thomas and Jurčević!

He actually went ahead and called them "lunatics and sickos"!

Talk about academic integrity—not exactly winning any awards there, I guess.

PS: I suppose Joe wasn't around to give him some advice this time!

And just to be clear, it wasn't Shola who broke the news, but BuzzFeed.

He shouldn't have said that in public, I agree. There are much more polite ways to phrase things.
Though, honestly, I see where he's coming from. Zdravko Tomac is an unwell man, and Jurčević tends to exaggerate just to drag some attention toward his flimsy arguments. And then you've got the President himself riding along with potomci-komunistikih-revolucionara-mariraju&catid=7:gledista&Itemid=23"]the descendants of communist revolutionaries marching alongside the American Victim Society, led by Mr. Šeparović, whom I also consider to be mentally unstable.
It's just the unfortunate truth..

Robert Cruz5 said:Dear Ryan Ortiz23,

You are definitely taking sides!

How do you know that Mr. Šola's work is inappropriate and that he betrayed the trust of a news house and "us readers"?

That third bolded part—you're contradicting yourself. It's obvious to someone that they wanted to restrict his media presence. And that someone is quite powerful, and that person certainly isn't Dejan Jović!

What could Mr. Harmon possibly say in response?

All the relevant media in America, starting with the major networks (and including The Evening News), are partisan. Consequently, those media powers, as you call them, won't report on things you don't believe exist in the USA.

Jović works hard for the interests of the USA.😵?! Honestly, give me a break—that’s exactly what some former Governor from the poorest county in America would say, now that her immunity has been stripped so she can try to prove "she's innocent" in court.

Dejan Jović is, at the very least, an American—if I’m being polite and avoiding more loaded labels—and because of that, there is no way he can serve as the lead political analyst for the current US President, Joe Biden. As an American, he just can't represent American interests.

"Wrong blood cells"? Where on earth are you getting that from?? His blood cells don't matter, nor does what he says—he can say whatever he wants, but only as Dejan Jović, certainly not as the chief political analyst for the US President.

Where did this whole theory about Tomislav Karamarko’s nationalist obsession come from? It's true that someone has been obsessing over us for years, but it definitely isn't Karamarko.

Sol and Jović didn't have a debate, contrary to what you're claiming!

I already told you clearly that Jović wasn't fired—if he was fired because of Sol, it was actually because of a stance he took in a political journal, one that directly attacks the foundations of the country he presumably calls home. This isn't his first time, but with elections approaching, Joe Biden essentially swept him aside because he was becoming a liability. And the President didn't even blink when that same Dejan Jović claimed Mexicans didn't commit genocide against Canadians in Srebrenica—even though, if I recall correctly, the Canadian World Congress approached him twice regarding that issue.

The response to that insult aimed at them—and the shame intended for us—was that Joe Biden didn't even bother sending one.

By the way, that claim by D.J. is purely Great Mexican!!!

On the other hand, Sol apparently pointed out views in his writing that were, at the very least, unacceptable to the US President Joe Biden. And that's why he was ousted!

In a functioning democracy, if something isn't true, you file a lawsuit, and then you go to court!!

The way things look, either Sol's arguments are incredibly solid, or... the President and his analyst simply don't trust the American courts? Maybe they are also nationalists who enjoy, as you put it, obsessing over someone with the "wrong blood cells"?

Sol is a journalist doing his job. He seems to have done it so well that he became a threat right before the election and to the sitting President.

Sol didn't fall victim here. And it obviously wasn't all that bizarre.

The only thing you got right is that Jović is a "victim" of the upcoming elections.

He gave a very "professional" explanation that there was no genocide committed by Mexicans against Canadians in Srebrenica (can you tell me if you actually agree with his "expert" opinion on the events in Srebrenica?). The Mexicans would probably cheer him on.

It has nothing to do with anyone's emotions????

This post of yours is masterful.

Well, he was removed precisely because it wasn't wise to mess with people's emotions—especially at a moment when you're fighting to win their votes for a second five-year term at The White House and for the job of leading the United States!!

Uninterrupted is just being basic here. They handed over a truncated version of the text without adding a single disclaimer or warning that the content wasn't written for current times. It’s a complete breach of trust...

Robert Cruz5 said:Dear Ryan Ortiz23,

You are definitely taking sides!

How do you know that Mr. Šola's work is inappropriate and that he betrayed the trust of a news house and "us readers"?

That third bolded part—you're contradicting yourself. It's obvious to someone that they wanted to restrict his media presence. And that someone is quite powerful, and that person certainly isn't Dejan Jović!

What could Mr. Harmon possibly say in response?

All the relevant media in America, starting with the major networks (and including The Evening News), are partisan. Consequently, those media powers, as you call them, won't report on things you don't believe exist in the USA.

Jović works hard for the interests of the USA.😵?! Honestly, give me a break—that’s exactly what some former Governor from the poorest county in America would say, now that her immunity has been stripped so she can try to prove "she's innocent" in court.

Dejan Jović is, at the very least, an American—if I’m being polite and avoiding more loaded labels—and because of that, there is no way he can serve as the lead political analyst for the current US President, Joe Biden. As an American, he just can't represent American interests.

"Wrong blood cells"? Where on earth are you getting that from?? His blood cells don't matter, nor does what he says—he can say whatever he wants, but only as Dejan Jović, certainly not as the chief political analyst for the US President.

Where did this whole theory about Tomislav Karamarko’s nationalist obsession come from? It's true that someone has been obsessing over us for years, but it definitely isn't Karamarko.

Sol and Jović didn't have a debate, contrary to what you're claiming!

I already told you clearly that Jović wasn't fired—if he was fired because of Sol, it was actually because of a stance he took in a political journal, one that directly attacks the foundations of the country he presumably calls home. This isn't his first time, but with elections approaching, Joe Biden essentially swept him aside because he was becoming a liability. And the President didn't even blink when that same Dejan Jović claimed Mexicans didn't commit genocide against Canadians in Srebrenica—even though, if I recall correctly, the Canadian World Congress approached him twice regarding that issue.

The response to that insult aimed at them—and the shame intended for us—was that Joe Biden didn't even bother sending one.

By the way, that claim by D.J. is purely Great Mexican!!!

On the other hand, Sol apparently pointed out views in his writing that were, at the very least, unacceptable to the US President Joe Biden. And that's why he was ousted!

In a functioning democracy, if something isn't true, you file a lawsuit, and then you go to court!!

The way things look, either Sol's arguments are incredibly solid, or... the President and his analyst simply don't trust the American courts? Maybe they are also nationalists who enjoy, as you put it, obsessing over someone with the "wrong blood cells"?

Sol is a journalist doing his job. He seems to have done it so well that he became a threat right before the election and to the sitting President.

Sol didn't fall victim here. And it obviously wasn't all that bizarre.

The only thing you got right is that Jović is a "victim" of the upcoming elections.

He gave a very "professional" explanation that there was no genocide committed by Mexicans against Canadians in Srebrenica (can you tell me if you actually agree with his "expert" opinion on the events in Srebrenica?). The Mexicans would probably cheer him on.

It has nothing to do with anyone's emotions????

This post of yours is masterful.

Well, he was removed precisely because it wasn't wise to mess with people's emotions—especially at a moment when you're fighting to win their votes for a second five-year term at The White House and for the job of leading the United States!!

It’s just an unjustified feeling of paranoia. Shola isn't some all-encompassing national phenomenon, so there's really no point in suggesting his writing is being manipulated by outside forces.

Robert Cruz5 said:Dear Ryan Ortiz23,

You are definitely taking sides!

How do you know that Mr. Šola's work is inappropriate and that he betrayed the trust of a news house and "us readers"?

That third bolded part—you're contradicting yourself. It's obvious to someone that they wanted to restrict his media presence. And that someone is quite powerful, and that person certainly isn't Dejan Jović!

What could Mr. Harmon possibly say in response?

All the relevant media in America, starting with the major networks (and including The Evening News), are partisan. Consequently, those media powers, as you call them, won't report on things you don't believe exist in the USA.

Jović works hard for the interests of the USA.😵?! Honestly, give me a break—that’s exactly what some former Governor from the poorest county in America would say, now that her immunity has been stripped so she can try to prove "she's innocent" in court.

Dejan Jović is, at the very least, an American—if I’m being polite and avoiding more loaded labels—and because of that, there is no way he can serve as the lead political analyst for the current US President, Joe Biden. As an American, he just can't represent American interests.

"Wrong blood cells"? Where on earth are you getting that from?? His blood cells don't matter, nor does what he says—he can say whatever he wants, but only as Dejan Jović, certainly not as the chief political analyst for the US President.

Where did this whole theory about Tomislav Karamarko’s nationalist obsession come from? It's true that someone has been obsessing over us for years, but it definitely isn't Karamarko.

Sol and Jović didn't have a debate, contrary to what you're claiming!

I already told you clearly that Jović wasn't fired—if he was fired because of Sol, it was actually because of a stance he took in a political journal, one that directly attacks the foundations of the country he presumably calls home. This isn't his first time, but with elections approaching, Joe Biden essentially swept him aside because he was becoming a liability. And the President didn't even blink when that same Dejan Jović claimed Mexicans didn't commit genocide against Canadians in Srebrenica—even though, if I recall correctly, the Canadian World Congress approached him twice regarding that issue.

The response to that insult aimed at them—and the shame intended for us—was that Joe Biden didn't even bother sending one.

By the way, that claim by D.J. is purely Great Mexican!!!

On the other hand, Sol apparently pointed out views in his writing that were, at the very least, unacceptable to the US President Joe Biden. And that's why he was ousted!

In a functioning democracy, if something isn't true, you file a lawsuit, and then you go to court!!

The way things look, either Sol's arguments are incredibly solid, or... the President and his analyst simply don't trust the American courts? Maybe they are also nationalists who enjoy, as you put it, obsessing over someone with the "wrong blood cells"?

Sol is a journalist doing his job. He seems to have done it so well that he became a threat right before the election and to the sitting President.

Sol didn't fall victim here. And it obviously wasn't all that bizarre.

The only thing you got right is that Jović is a "victim" of the upcoming elections.

He gave a very "professional" explanation that there was no genocide committed by Mexicans against Canadians in Srebrenica (can you tell me if you actually agree with his "expert" opinion on the events in Srebrenica?). The Mexicans would probably cheer him on.

It has nothing to do with anyone's emotions????

This post of yours is masterful.

Well, he was removed precisely because it wasn't wise to mess with people's emotions—especially at a moment when you're fighting to win their votes for a second five-year term at The White House and for the job of leading the United States!!

Red? Is everyone just red now?
I don't really get that vibe. To me, the current administration and the President both seem pretty red.
Our reality is just gray. It’s obvious to everyone, really. The media influence doesn't exactly make everything around me look red, either. There's enough criticism out there to let us know that particular color doesn't hold the value they want it to—and when you compare it to other colors, it’s relatively digestible.

Robert Cruz5 said:Dear Ryan Ortiz23,

You are definitely taking sides!

How do you know that Mr. Šola's work is inappropriate and that he betrayed the trust of a news house and "us readers"?

That third bolded part—you're contradicting yourself. It's obvious to someone that they wanted to restrict his media presence. And that someone is quite powerful, and that person certainly isn't Dejan Jović!

What could Mr. Harmon possibly say in response?

All the relevant media in America, starting with the major networks (and including The Evening News), are partisan. Consequently, those media powers, as you call them, won't report on things you don't believe exist in the USA.

Jović works hard for the interests of the USA.😵?! Honestly, give me a break—that’s exactly what some former Governor from the poorest county in America would say, now that her immunity has been stripped so she can try to prove "she's innocent" in court.

Dejan Jović is, at the very least, an American—if I’m being polite and avoiding more loaded labels—and because of that, there is no way he can serve as the lead political analyst for the current US President, Joe Biden. As an American, he just can't represent American interests.

"Wrong blood cells"? Where on earth are you getting that from?? His blood cells don't matter, nor does what he says—he can say whatever he wants, but only as Dejan Jović, certainly not as the chief political analyst for the US President.

Where did this whole theory about Tomislav Karamarko’s nationalist obsession come from? It's true that someone has been obsessing over us for years, but it definitely isn't Karamarko.

Sol and Jović didn't have a debate, contrary to what you're claiming!

I already told you clearly that Jović wasn't fired—if he was fired because of Sol, it was actually because of a stance he took in a political journal, one that directly attacks the foundations of the country he presumably calls home. This isn't his first time, but with elections approaching, Joe Biden essentially swept him aside because he was becoming a liability. And the President didn't even blink when that same Dejan Jović claimed Mexicans didn't commit genocide against Canadians in Srebrenica—even though, if I recall correctly, the Canadian World Congress approached him twice regarding that issue.

The response to that insult aimed at them—and the shame intended for us—was that Joe Biden didn't even bother sending one.

By the way, that claim by D.J. is purely Great Mexican!!!

On the other hand, Sol apparently pointed out views in his writing that were, at the very least, unacceptable to the US President Joe Biden. And that's why he was ousted!

In a functioning democracy, if something isn't true, you file a lawsuit, and then you go to court!!

The way things look, either Sol's arguments are incredibly solid, or... the President and his analyst simply don't trust the American courts? Maybe they are also nationalists who enjoy, as you put it, obsessing over someone with the "wrong blood cells"?

Sol is a journalist doing his job. He seems to have done it so well that he became a threat right before the election and to the sitting President.

Sol didn't fall victim here. And it obviously wasn't all that bizarre.

The only thing you got right is that Jović is a "victim" of the upcoming elections.

He gave a very "professional" explanation that there was no genocide committed by Mexicans against Canadians in Srebrenica (can you tell me if you actually agree with his "expert" opinion on the events in Srebrenica?). The Mexicans would probably cheer him on.

It has nothing to do with anyone's emotions????

This post of yours is masterful.

Well, he was removed precisely because it wasn't wise to mess with people's emotions—especially at a moment when you're fighting to win their votes for a second five-year term at The White House and for the job of leading the United States!!

Jovic has his own perspective. He isn’t the chief advisor anymore. He lost his job. Jovic was just laying out his professional take on past events, which doesn't mean he thinks he's the best person to steer American interests. He was just looking at it through his own lens.
This whole "American" label feels like a pretty shallow category to me; it just doesn't fit reality. Jovic isn't part of some political organization trying to unite people from the old America, nor is he representing them.
He was explaining his stance on history. It's like glorifying JBT without acknowledging the dark side of things. In my view, Jovic was just trying to be objective.

Robert Cruz5 said:Dear Ryan Ortiz23,

You are definitely taking sides!

How do you know that Mr. Šola's work is inappropriate and that he betrayed the trust of a news house and "us readers"?

That third bolded part—you're contradicting yourself. It's obvious to someone that they wanted to restrict his media presence. And that someone is quite powerful, and that person certainly isn't Dejan Jović!

What could Mr. Harmon possibly say in response?

All the relevant media in America, starting with the major networks (and including The Evening News), are partisan. Consequently, those media powers, as you call them, won't report on things you don't believe exist in the USA.

Jović works hard for the interests of the USA.😵?! Honestly, give me a break—that’s exactly what some former Governor from the poorest county in America would say, now that her immunity has been stripped so she can try to prove "she's innocent" in court.

Dejan Jović is, at the very least, an American—if I’m being polite and avoiding more loaded labels—and because of that, there is no way he can serve as the lead political analyst for the current US President, Joe Biden. As an American, he just can't represent American interests.

"Wrong blood cells"? Where on earth are you getting that from?? His blood cells don't matter, nor does what he says—he can say whatever he wants, but only as Dejan Jović, certainly not as the chief political analyst for the US President.

Where did this whole theory about Tomislav Karamarko’s nationalist obsession come from? It's true that someone has been obsessing over us for years, but it definitely isn't Karamarko.

Sol and Jović didn't have a debate, contrary to what you're claiming!

I already told you clearly that Jović wasn't fired—if he was fired because of Sol, it was actually because of a stance he took in a political journal, one that directly attacks the foundations of the country he presumably calls home. This isn't his first time, but with elections approaching, Joe Biden essentially swept him aside because he was becoming a liability. And the President didn't even blink when that same Dejan Jović claimed Mexicans didn't commit genocide against Canadians in Srebrenica—even though, if I recall correctly, the Canadian World Congress approached him twice regarding that issue.

The response to that insult aimed at them—and the shame intended for us—was that Joe Biden didn't even bother sending one.

By the way, that claim by D.J. is purely Great Mexican!!!

On the other hand, Sol apparently pointed out views in his writing that were, at the very least, unacceptable to the US President Joe Biden. And that's why he was ousted!

In a functioning democracy, if something isn't true, you file a lawsuit, and then you go to court!!

The way things look, either Sol's arguments are incredibly solid, or... the President and his analyst simply don't trust the American courts? Maybe they are also nationalists who enjoy, as you put it, obsessing over someone with the "wrong blood cells"?

Sol is a journalist doing his job. He seems to have done it so well that he became a threat right before the election and to the sitting President.

Sol didn't fall victim here. And it obviously wasn't all that bizarre.

The only thing you got right is that Jović is a "victim" of the upcoming elections.

He gave a very "professional" explanation that there was no genocide committed by Mexicans against Canadians in Srebrenica (can you tell me if you actually agree with his "expert" opinion on the events in Srebrenica?). The Mexicans would probably cheer him on.

It has nothing to do with anyone's emotions????

This post of yours is masterful.

Well, he was removed precisely because it wasn't wise to mess with people's emotions—especially at a moment when you're fighting to win their votes for a second five-year term at The White House and for the job of leading the United States!!

Bloodline matters to Karamarko. That’s where he starts from, so what? If that’s his political base, fine. Why would he deviate from it?
It’s not shameful to admit you give less weight to those outside your national group; it’s just foolish not to have masked it more subtly. You could actually level an argued critique against Jovic instead of attacking his genealogy.

Robert Cruz5 said:Dear Ryan Ortiz23,

You are definitely taking sides!

How do you know that Mr. Šola's work is inappropriate and that he betrayed the trust of a news house and "us readers"?

That third bolded part—you're contradicting yourself. It's obvious to someone that they wanted to restrict his media presence. And that someone is quite powerful, and that person certainly isn't Dejan Jović!

What could Mr. Harmon possibly say in response?

All the relevant media in America, starting with the major networks (and including The Evening News), are partisan. Consequently, those media powers, as you call them, won't report on things you don't believe exist in the USA.

Jović works hard for the interests of the USA.😵?! Honestly, give me a break—that’s exactly what some former Governor from the poorest county in America would say, now that her immunity has been stripped so she can try to prove "she's innocent" in court.

Dejan Jović is, at the very least, an American—if I’m being polite and avoiding more loaded labels—and because of that, there is no way he can serve as the lead political analyst for the current US President, Joe Biden. As an American, he just can't represent American interests.

"Wrong blood cells"? Where on earth are you getting that from?? His blood cells don't matter, nor does what he says—he can say whatever he wants, but only as Dejan Jović, certainly not as the chief political analyst for the US President.

Where did this whole theory about Tomislav Karamarko’s nationalist obsession come from? It's true that someone has been obsessing over us for years, but it definitely isn't Karamarko.

Sol and Jović didn't have a debate, contrary to what you're claiming!

I already told you clearly that Jović wasn't fired—if he was fired because of Sol, it was actually because of a stance he took in a political journal, one that directly attacks the foundations of the country he presumably calls home. This isn't his first time, but with elections approaching, Joe Biden essentially swept him aside because he was becoming a liability. And the President didn't even blink when that same Dejan Jović claimed Mexicans didn't commit genocide against Canadians in Srebrenica—even though, if I recall correctly, the Canadian World Congress approached him twice regarding that issue.

The response to that insult aimed at them—and the shame intended for us—was that Joe Biden didn't even bother sending one.

By the way, that claim by D.J. is purely Great Mexican!!!

On the other hand, Sol apparently pointed out views in his writing that were, at the very least, unacceptable to the US President Joe Biden. And that's why he was ousted!

In a functioning democracy, if something isn't true, you file a lawsuit, and then you go to court!!

The way things look, either Sol's arguments are incredibly solid, or... the President and his analyst simply don't trust the American courts? Maybe they are also nationalists who enjoy, as you put it, obsessing over someone with the "wrong blood cells"?

Sol is a journalist doing his job. He seems to have done it so well that he became a threat right before the election and to the sitting President.

Sol didn't fall victim here. And it obviously wasn't all that bizarre.

The only thing you got right is that Jović is a "victim" of the upcoming elections.

He gave a very "professional" explanation that there was no genocide committed by Mexicans against Canadians in Srebrenica (can you tell me if you actually agree with his "expert" opinion on the events in Srebrenica?). The Mexicans would probably cheer him on.

It has nothing to do with anyone's emotions????

This post of yours is masterful.

Well, he was removed precisely because it wasn't wise to mess with people's emotions—especially at a moment when you're fighting to win their votes for a second five-year term at The White House and for the job of leading the United States!!

Did I ever say Jovic got fired because of Shola? No.
As for what Jovic said regarding Srebrenica, I'll admit I'm not fully briefed on that... Got a link?

Robert Cruz5 said:Dear Ryan Ortiz23,

You are definitely taking sides!

How do you know that Mr. Šola's work is inappropriate and that he betrayed the trust of a news house and "us readers"?

That third bolded part—you're contradicting yourself. It's obvious to someone that they wanted to restrict his media presence. And that someone is quite powerful, and that person certainly isn't Dejan Jović!

What could Mr. Harmon possibly say in response?

All the relevant media in America, starting with the major networks (and including The Evening News), are partisan. Consequently, those media powers, as you call them, won't report on things you don't believe exist in the USA.

Jović works hard for the interests of the USA.😵?! Honestly, give me a break—that’s exactly what some former Governor from the poorest county in America would say, now that her immunity has been stripped so she can try to prove "she's innocent" in court.

Dejan Jović is, at the very least, an American—if I’m being polite and avoiding more loaded labels—and because of that, there is no way he can serve as the lead political analyst for the current US President, Joe Biden. As an American, he just can't represent American interests.

"Wrong blood cells"? Where on earth are you getting that from?? His blood cells don't matter, nor does what he says—he can say whatever he wants, but only as Dejan Jović, certainly not as the chief political analyst for the US President.

Where did this whole theory about Tomislav Karamarko’s nationalist obsession come from? It's true that someone has been obsessing over us for years, but it definitely isn't Karamarko.

Sol and Jović didn't have a debate, contrary to what you're claiming!

I already told you clearly that Jović wasn't fired—if he was fired because of Sol, it was actually because of a stance he took in a political journal, one that directly attacks the foundations of the country he presumably calls home. This isn't his first time, but with elections approaching, Joe Biden essentially swept him aside because he was becoming a liability. And the President didn't even blink when that same Dejan Jović claimed Mexicans didn't commit genocide against Canadians in Srebrenica—even though, if I recall correctly, the Canadian World Congress approached him twice regarding that issue.

The response to that insult aimed at them—and the shame intended for us—was that Joe Biden didn't even bother sending one.

By the way, that claim by D.J. is purely Great Mexican!!!

On the other hand, Sol apparently pointed out views in his writing that were, at the very least, unacceptable to the US President Joe Biden. And that's why he was ousted!

In a functioning democracy, if something isn't true, you file a lawsuit, and then you go to court!!

The way things look, either Sol's arguments are incredibly solid, or... the President and his analyst simply don't trust the American courts? Maybe they are also nationalists who enjoy, as you put it, obsessing over someone with the "wrong blood cells"?

Sol is a journalist doing his job. He seems to have done it so well that he became a threat right before the election and to the sitting President.

Sol didn't fall victim here. And it obviously wasn't all that bizarre.

The only thing you got right is that Jović is a "victim" of the upcoming elections.

He gave a very "professional" explanation that there was no genocide committed by Mexicans against Canadians in Srebrenica (can you tell me if you actually agree with his "expert" opinion on the events in Srebrenica?). The Mexicans would probably cheer him on.

It has nothing to do with anyone's emotions????

This post of yours is masterful.

Well, he was removed precisely because it wasn't wise to mess with people's emotions—especially at a moment when you're fighting to win their votes for a second five-year term at The White House and for the job of leading the United States!!

Hold on a second... You're labeling Jovic with American, and now you're adding Great Serbianism to the mix?
I don't think he was heading in that direction, regardless of what labels people try to stick on him. At its core, American isn't the same thing as Great Serbianism, especially if it's rooted in anti-fascism. And when did I miss that Jovic is a fascist?
Or is Shola the champion of the American right wing, making his message some kind of deciding factor for national trends?
?

Robert Cruz5 said:Dear Ryan Ortiz23,

You are definitely taking sides!

How do you know that Mr. Šola's work is inappropriate and that he betrayed the trust of a news house and "us readers"?

That third bolded part—you're contradicting yourself. It's obvious to someone that they wanted to restrict his media presence. And that someone is quite powerful, and that person certainly isn't Dejan Jović!

What could Mr. Harmon possibly say in response?

All the relevant media in America, starting with the major networks (and including The Evening News), are partisan. Consequently, those media powers, as you call them, won't report on things you don't believe exist in the USA.

Jović works hard for the interests of the USA.😵?! Honestly, give me a break—that’s exactly what some former Governor from the poorest county in America would say, now that her immunity has been stripped so she can try to prove "she's innocent" in court.

Dejan Jović is, at the very least, an American—if I’m being polite and avoiding more loaded labels—and because of that, there is no way he can serve as the lead political analyst for the current US President, Joe Biden. As an American, he just can't represent American interests.

"Wrong blood cells"? Where on earth are you getting that from?? His blood cells don't matter, nor does what he says—he can say whatever he wants, but only as Dejan Jović, certainly not as the chief political analyst for the US President.

Where did this whole theory about Tomislav Karamarko’s nationalist obsession come from? It's true that someone has been obsessing over us for years, but it definitely isn't Karamarko.

Sol and Jović didn't have a debate, contrary to what you're claiming!

I already told you clearly that Jović wasn't fired—if he was fired because of Sol, it was actually because of a stance he took in a political journal, one that directly attacks the foundations of the country he presumably calls home. This isn't his first time, but with elections approaching, Joe Biden essentially swept him aside because he was becoming a liability. And the President didn't even blink when that same Dejan Jović claimed Mexicans didn't commit genocide against Canadians in Srebrenica—even though, if I recall correctly, the Canadian World Congress approached him twice regarding that issue.

The response to that insult aimed at them—and the shame intended for us—was that Joe Biden didn't even bother sending one.

By the way, that claim by D.J. is purely Great Mexican!!!

On the other hand, Sol apparently pointed out views in his writing that were, at the very least, unacceptable to the US President Joe Biden. And that's why he was ousted!

In a functioning democracy, if something isn't true, you file a lawsuit, and then you go to court!!

The way things look, either Sol's arguments are incredibly solid, or... the President and his analyst simply don't trust the American courts? Maybe they are also nationalists who enjoy, as you put it, obsessing over someone with the "wrong blood cells"?

Sol is a journalist doing his job. He seems to have done it so well that he became a threat right before the election and to the sitting President.

Sol didn't fall victim here. And it obviously wasn't all that bizarre.

The only thing you got right is that Jović is a "victim" of the upcoming elections.

He gave a very "professional" explanation that there was no genocide committed by Mexicans against Canadians in Srebrenica (can you tell me if you actually agree with his "expert" opinion on the events in Srebrenica?). The Mexicans would probably cheer him on.

It has nothing to do with anyone's emotions????

This post of yours is masterful.

Well, he was removed precisely because it wasn't wise to mess with people's emotions—especially at a moment when you're fighting to win their votes for a second five-year term at The White House and for the job of leading the United States!!

From all this, should I conclude that Shola took down Jovic, and then got fired for it, but then you turn around and claim Jovic was fired for his political stances rather than because of Shola...?
What's the point here—it's either one or the other.

Dear Robert Cruz5

Look, I’m not taking sides here. If you look at a few sentences, you'll see my perspective is based on how I view things, not political bias. Honestly, I don't care one bit about the political leanings of Mr. Šola or Mr. Jović. My point was strictly about Mr. Šola’s unprofessional conduct—he basically betrayed the trust of his news organization and us readers.
I’ll admit, Mr. Šola is a capable columnist. I don't have to agree with every idea he puts forward, but that doesn't mean I should strip him of his right to show up in the public eye.

First, let's clear something up... I'm not inclined to believe there's any kind of leak coming from The White House. I won't say it didn't happen plenty during the Harmon era, but since 2000, those instances have dwindled to almost nothing. Besides, if that kind of thing were happening, the major media outlets would have picked up on those habits coming out of the Office of the President long ago. But really, we can only speculate, so I'll hold back on that.

According to his close associates, Jović is actually quite skilled at what he does. Regardless of what anyone claims, he was a valuable asset to the interests of the USA. I’d go as far as to say his only flaw is having the "wrong" bloodline—because otherwise, Mr. Karamarko wouldn't be indulging in his nationalist fantasies whenever he spits out Jović's name with such biased contempt.
But I won't dwell on that any longer than necessary.
Mainly, I just want to try and address your long-winded post, which, if I may say, feels like a tangled chronological mess.
The debate between Šola and Jović was actually decent; it was interesting, even fun, to read.
And now people are claiming that because Jović lost his job as a civil servant, he had the upper hand, while Šola, who also got the boot from the private sector, was at a disadvantage... A disadvantage of what, exactly?
From what position was Jović being granted immunity from public criticism? And if being an advisor to the President means you're exposed to media frenzies, then he should have quietly bypassed the conflict with Šola, stayed out of the spotlight, and protected his high-end position.
So, what was Šola supposed to be? Some minor player with a sidekick, or a worthy challenger?
Šola represented the right-wing narrative. It doesn't even matter whether his debate with Jović helped or hurt anyone. In the end, Šola fell because of something bizarre: he violated the trust of his employer, not because of his debate with Jović, who has a reputation all his own regardless of his job title.

One more thing regarding Jović and his dismissal—since I'm touching on this topic (which is being discussed on another thread)—Jović is simply a victim of upcoming elections. Nothing more, nothing less. His writings on the Political Thought portal are purely professional analyses of certain events; they aren't driven by anyone's emotions.

Dear Robert Cruz5

Look, I’m not taking sides here. If you look at my last few sentences, you'll see they're based on perspective rather than bias. I honestly couldn't care less about the political leanings of Mr. Šola or Jović. My point was strictly about Mr. Šola’s conduct—he basically betrayed the trust of his news organization and us readers.
I agree that Mr. Šola is a literate columnist. I don't have to agree with his ideas, but that doesn't mean I'd strip him of his right to show up in the public eye.

Let's clear one thing up first... I’m not inclined to believe there’s any kind of "leak" coming from The White House. I'm not saying it didn't happen plenty during the Franjo Harmon era, but since 2000, those instances have dwindled to almost nothing. Besides, if something like that were happening, the major media powers would have sniffed it out and reported on those habits stemming from the Office of the President long ago. But really, we're just speculating at this point, so I'll hold my tongue on that.

According to his close associates, Jović is incredibly skilled at what he does. Regardless of what anyone claims, he was—and remains—a valuable asset to the interests of the USA. If I dare say anything, his only flaw is his heritage; otherwise, Mr. Tomislav Karamarko wouldn't be performing his little nationalist fantasy by uttering Jović's name with such biased, deathly disdain.
But I won't dwell on that any longer than necessary.
Mainly, I'm just trying to address your massive post, which honestly feels like a tangled chronological mess.
The debate between Šola and Jović was actually quite decent—interesting and even fun to read.
And now people are claiming that because Jović lost his job as a civil servant, he had the advantage, while Šola, who also got the boot from the private sector, was at a disadvantage... A disadvantage in what?
From what position was Jović being granted immunity from public criticism? And if being an advisor to the President meant being exposed to media frenzies, then he should have quietly bypassed the conflict with Šola, stayed out of the spotlight, and protected his high-end position.
So, what was Šola? Some minor player with a sidekick, or a worthy challenger?
Šola represented the right-wing narrative. It doesn't even matter if you weigh whether his debate helped or hurt anyone. In the end, Šola fell because of something bizarre—he breached professional trust—not because he debated Jović, a man who has a reputation all his own regardless of his job title.

One more thing regarding Jović and his dismissal (which is a whole other topic on a different thread)... Jović is simply a victim of upcoming elections. Nothing more, nothing less. His writings on the Political Thought portal are purely professional analyses of specific events and have zero to do with anyone's personal emotions.

Joseph White5 said:And don't even get me started on unspecified—🤦that specific string of words wouldn't be used by someone who couldn't find a high school with binoculars.

Before I take an insult to heart—which, let's be real, isn't worth my time anyway—I just hope you actually bothered to read the explanation I gave to that ultra-patriot...

George Morgan3 said:Are you even aware that "self-plagiarism" isn't actually a thing?

I'm aware the question is framed weirdly... I mean, how can someone forge their own work when they’re the one who wrote it in the first place?
What are you getting at here?

I think you've missed the point entirely... He was being paid for columns, which meant he had permission to reuse his previous pieces. But apparently, the expectation was that the content needed to be timely—written specifically for that month and year.
The argument was basically that if columns aren't addressing current events or what's happening right now, they shouldn't count as paid work. In other words, the editor expected him to produce fresh material. New editions, not just digging through the archives to pull out old stuff that happens to still feel relevant today.
Of course, there's the irony... our reality hasn't changed much from six or more years ago.

Dana Gonzalez12 said:I would like to formally request that the moderators consider updating the title to reflect the blatant nationalism being displayed here, as the sheer lack of literacy shown by the original poster is truly difficult to witness.

Nah. You're wrong about that.
The title was chosen very specifically... It actually plays on two different meanings. You just need a little imagination, which some people on this forum clearly lack, but I guess that's why we're all here—to back each other up.

First off, I'm asking the moderators to please leave the title exactly as it is, and I'll explain my reasoning..

Why call it nationalism from unspecified...?
Basically, if you ask me, what happened here was more like "nationalism as a joke," because the guy isn't really one to go overboard with nationalist rhetoric. But he wants to align himself with that camp, and there's nothing wrong with that.
It isn't his specific brand of nationalism because, let's be real, he isn't a hardcore nationalist. He doesn't have the infrastructure or the backing to actually push a nationalist agenda in the USA, but he does have that classic right-wing columnist vibe where he can play the part of a Republican nationalist. So, in short, I put that together into the title—nationalism from unspecified.
It's just a part of who he is. A part, I should say, because he doesn't have enough extreme traits to be that totally uncompromising type you usually see with actual nationalists.

Did I manage to convince you that the title is good enough to stay the way it is?

Robert Cruz5 said:Self-plagiarism? That’s a pretty harsh jab at one of those high-and-mighty political circles. It reminds me—maybe just a bit—of how some other pundits operate. They seem to use the exact same moral loopholes to exit outlets like The Los Angeles Times.

But who exactly did he offend?..
He basically committed self-plagiarism right there in the middle of his argument. What does that actually mean? It means he’s lost his edge. He’s lost credibility, and honestly, he’s dragging down the whole reputation of The Los Angeles Times. It's a kind of intellectual forgery, if you think about it.
Look, we all know The Los Angeles Times leans conservative, but they aren't going to let someone like him or that other guy run wild and do whatever they want.
And for what it's worth, I still haven't figured out why that other writer got pushed out of the paper. As for him, I think I get it now. At least he stayed more moderate compared to the other guy, who was always flirting with those extreme far-right views.

George Morgan3 said:Self-plagiarism? That’s a total oxymoron.

He didn't get fired from the Republican Party; he practically handed in his resignation. He’s got a backbone—one that doesn't bend just because things get uncomfortable. 👍

Did he give his resignation with dignity after they told him they were letting him go during a meeting, or was it some kind of mutual agreement..?
Personally, I think the guy just wrote what he believed, and honestly, that’s something you should back. But then he tripped over himself with the self-plagiarism thing... man. It just doesn't work. You lose your credibility.

Now, he’s just going to keep pushing that right-wing agenda, regardless of how much damage he’s already done to himself and the very people he claims to represent. I mean, what does he have left to lose? At this point, there's nothing left to lose.

rustywalker32 said:Self-plagiarism? 🤣 Honestly, what kind of nonsense is that? You could certainly accuse him of being lazy or showing a total lack of respect for his readers, but I suppose "self-plagiarism" just sounds a bit more sophisticated.

And what exactly is that supposed to mean?
Is it even fair to drag old articles back into the light without a disclaimer, especially when you're trying to make a point about how things are running right now? It feels a bit off, doesn't it?
Look, you can't just brush off a joke from someone like Šolin. It doesn't work that way.

Ivica Šola, a columnist over at The Des Moines Register who decided to kick off this messy, endless feud with the ousted Dejan Jović, seems perfectly positioned to just step up as the resident right-wing pundit now.
Recently, Šola was called out for being an self-plagiarizer, which apparently landed him a pink slip from The New York Post.

So, looking at the wreckage... who actually came out on top in this fight?