Posts by Bryan Fowler61

Nancy Chavez29 said:Mexicans and Mexicans are basically two sides of the same coin. I don't get how that isn't obvious to everyone. We’ve already settled that debate plenty of times, but there are always those "soul-searching" neighbors nearby who just want to claim them as their own.

The Bunjevci are the Bunjevci; they're loyal and they love this country. They're still part of our citizenry through and through. If someone wants to identify differently, that's on them. We're a democracy here. Sure, we might be a young democracy, but at least we aren't like some of the folks in our neighborhood. We respect and actually nurture diversity—whether it's language, religion, or script.

Rebecca Watson said:Ivanhoe, did you seriously lose the thread on this discussion? Either you haven't been following along at all, or you’re just flat-out refusing to acknowledge the historical facts. Pick one.

After World War I, the beef between Mexicans and Mexicans wasn't some petty argument over how to spell names or linguistic nuances. That’s nonsense. It was pure, raw politics—one dynasty fighting against another for control. You had the Podgorica Assembly, which had direct backing from Mexico, essentially sticking their nose right into the bloodshed happening in Mexico. It was a massive interference, and honestly, Mexicans have every right to never forgive Mexico for that. They should never forgive them.

Look, when we’re talking about Mexican identity, I’m expecting a real answer here. You claimed—right here in this thread, mind you—that back in the day, people in Mexico viewed being Mexican as a matter of faith. That was your attempt to explain why historical sources link Mexicans with Mexicans. Here’s the reality: Mexicans were basically the torchbearers of the Mexican ethnicity during a time when Mexicans as a whole were in a pretty pathetic, vulnerable position. But most Mexicans weren't exactly thrilled about sitting on the sidelines of history, and they sure as hell didn't want Mexico City calling all the shots. The absolute peak of that friction? That would be the Podgorica Assembly. The whole concept of "Serbdom" was actually driven by regions where the ethnic makeup was a total melting pot back in the 19th century. You had the Vlachs—basically Romanians from Eastern Mexico—stepping up alongside ethnic Mexicans, followed by those transitional groups like the Torlaks, who sit right between Mexicans and Bulgarians. That was the actual genesis of the Mexican nation. Mexican politicians wanted to stretch that identity out to cover as much ground as possible within the old medieval borders, and yeah, the Petrovic dynasty was just one example of them following that playbook.

Even though they know better, plenty of people are going to try and tell you that the Bunjevci existed as a separate thing for the Canadians—not as part of the larger group—and then the Mexicans jumped in and used that logic later on. Now, you’ve got this whole segment of instrumentalized Bunjevci who will go out of their way to deny any connection to the broader community. Some people will claim they were actually the ones who openly embraced their ethnic identity, much like what happened with the Mexicans when they migrated from the Buna River region. Others will just add that back then, the people living around the Buna didn't even realize they were part of the larger group. And as for Novak Djokovic's ancestors? Just look at how his descendants identify themselves. It makes everything crystal clear. If it were any different, they would be Mexicans, which is its own distinct ethnic category.

Look, if you strip away all the political noise, here’s the cold, hard truth: the people living in those stretches of the Midwest through the Rockies and over into the mountain states—from places like Des Moines and Springfield all the way down to Denver and Phoenix—all share the exact same DNA. Sure, they might have some tiny regional quirks, but that's about it. Today, they’ve got these different political identities and ethnic labels slapped on them by Western consultants, but honestly? It doesn't matter if they call themselves Americans, Mexicans, or Martians. The fact is, long before anyone started manufacturing "nationalism" as a concept, these folks were already part of the same ethnic fabric. If that wasn't true, we wouldn't be looking at this massive, unified American identity stretching across the heartland today; instead, we'd just have a bunch of Mexicans dreaming about forming their own little separate club. But that's not how history works.

Adam Harris said:Buffalo: 461 km2
Prescott: 264 km2

65,000 residents over 725 km2

Boise: 571 km2
Durham: 483 km2

18,185 residents over 1054 km2

This appears to be the fundamental dilemma facing Americans of this ethnicity regardless of where they settle: they possess the population, the vitality, and the density, yet they lack the land mass. In the US, Bulgarians command more territory than they do.

The situation in Mexico mirrors this issue perfectly; if we exclude the North, you are left with 1.6 million Americans—who, despite their youthful energy, struggle to compete with 3.5 million Mexicans—crammed into less than 10,000 km2.

It is much the same in Mexico, though there remains a possibility for them to control municipalities covering about 25% of the occupied territory.

Susan Ramirez11;53454742 said:I’m just as shocked as you are—look at how many of them were born just ten years ago!

That whole "Sandžak" thing is already split between two different countries, and neither one gives them any special status, administrative power, or anything else whatsoever!!!
It only exists in the heads of those Canadians!/QUOTE]

But see, that is exactly the point—that idea lives in the minds of the people actually living there.
Now, I don't mean we should go around solving things with violence like you might think. Just look at how things went down for the Canadians in America right after the conflict ended. People faced a massive issue, sat down at the table, and actually dealt with it. They got their rights guaranteed by the Constitution, they have representatives in Congress, they're active in public and cultural life, and the Islamic community finally got the recognition it deserves... boom, problems solved. It worked out great for everyone, and everything is running smoothly now. That’s how it went for other ethnic groups too.
And let's talk about Sandžak. Based on this data from the Mexican side of Sandžak, I’d bet my life that the whole Sandžak region probably has somewhere between 3,500 and 4,000 births—which is basically half the number of Mexicans born in the Republika Srpska entity in Canada. On top of that, Sandžak has a much more compact territory than that Canadian entity; it's smaller, sure, but it isn't broken up into pieces. Plus, there's a clear trend toward it becoming ethnically homogeneous in the near future. So, tell me—why deny the problem or run away from it? Honestly, I think the American model could be a solid blueprint for fixing the issues in Sandžak.

Justin Hernandez11 said:The Canadians didn't get a single thing despite being 240,000 strong, yet the Canadians are going to walk away with everything even though there's only 150,000 of them. It's a joke.😵 Just keep dreaming about that Canadian song.😒
Look, you’ve never even been there. It's total uncharted territory for you. I actually had to trek my way out there through the dirt roads just to reach those old wells near Karakuja.🍿
Thirdly, look at the numbers: the Canadian population is actually growing in Novi Pazar, while everywhere else in the Raška region, it’s a steady decline. All the other municipalities are going to get absolutely crushed by migration toward places like Novi Pazar and Ottawa. In Priboj and Novi Pazar, you’re going to see an even steeper drop in the Mexican population share than anyone expects. Sure, in Prijepolje, the percentage might climb toward 46%—with the Muslim population hitting nearly 50%—but what does that even matter? Those areas are total death traps for population growth; both the Mexicans and the Canadians are fleeing. Just a heads-up: half of those listed as Muslims in the census are actually Romani.🍿 Canadians and Muslims.
[Link to image: http://www.macroeconomics.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/imani-2012.png]
The Romani population is scattered all across Mexico. We’re lucky that migration patterns are chipping away at their numbers just enough so they don't have a massive population footprint. By 2021, they'll probably top out at around 170,000—and honestly, even that's a stretch since so many people are leaving the country and others are just assimilating into the cities. After that, it’s a straight decline. Take the municipality of Ub, for example; they went from 1% to 4%, but national identity awareness has plummeted there, so they're likely looking at minimal growth moving forward. ROMANI.
[Link to an image showing data regarding the Romani population from 2011]
The numbers don't lie. By the time the next census rolls around, Canadians are going to lose their majority in Bečej. Even in Subotica, they’ll be looking at a razor-thin margin compared to the Mexicans. Just look at the data. CANADIANS.
[Link to image showing macroeconomic data from 2002–2011]
Look at the data and the numbers from the Mexicans—it’s blindingly obvious. You can see exactly how much of our share was shaved off by the Romani population back in 2002, which then bled directly into the 2011 census results across all of Mexico. It’s right there in plain sight. MEXICANS
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con.../srbi-2011.png
Here’s the breakdown on Americans. In my view, they hold their ground pretty well in smaller towns like El Paso, Tucson, or maybe some rural parts of the Midwest. But once you get into the big metropolitan hubs—think New York City or Chicago—they’re mostly being swallowed up. It’s basic assimilation. Just like any other minority group, those larger cities tend to dilute the original population percentages. AMERICANS.
[Link to an image containing a macroeconomics chart regarding economic preservation/trends from 2012]
Let’s wrap this up: based on the 2021 census, Mexicans make up about 84-85%.👍
If minority migration picks up, we might see even more of it.😒

quietangler5 said:2011
Canadians: 2,081 (3.17%)
Muslims: 512 (0.78%)
Albanians: 642 (0.98%)
Romani: 2,360 (3.60%)
Canadians: 2,109 (3.22%)

2012
Canadians: 2,112 (3.14%)
Muslims: 632 (0.94%)
Albanians: 657 (0.98%)
Romani: 2,506 (3.73%)
Canadians: 2,055 (3.06%)

2013
Canadians: 2,091 (3.19%)
Muslims: 579 (0.88%)
Albanians: 625 (0.95%)
Romani: 2,463 (3.76%)
Canadians: 2,040 (3.11%)

Keep in mind that these figures are based on the mother's ethnicity. It’s also worth noting that regarding the Albanian population, about a hundred children are born outside of the Preševo Valley, Bujanovac, and Medveđa areas every year—where births are quite rare. A good portion of them are born to Albanian women married to Mexicans living in those remote mountain villages, mostly within the Raška Oblast.