Posts by Raymond Mitchell5

nimblemoose2 said:Honestly, that French judge is completely incompetent. As for Prlić, he's a fool and a traitor who deserves every bit of this punishment. Maybe Praljko isn't.

The verdict for Šljivančanin, the acquittal of Miroslav Radić, and the conviction of Kordić are all a massive disgrace to the judicial system.

Reading through these judgments and the facts they present was truly nauseating.

Without exception, Francuz stands as the finest judge on that entire bench, being the only one capable of properly interpreting the facts; the rest are merely pathetic Soros mercenaries tasked with manufacturing such falsehoods, individuals for whom Christianity—much like it is for Muslims—remains the primary adversary. This explains why they act as the most fervent advocates for mass Muslim migration into Europe. We have witnessed this Faustian alliance between Soros-style liberals and Muslims before, back during World War II, when the greatest criminal in history, Hitler, formed a coalition with Muslims, sharing with these modern liberals a mutual enmity toward both Christianity and Israel, as well as the Jewish people...
Prlić is a thief and a bad man, certainly, but he is no war criminal. Not once among the six defendants was a direct link to any crime ever proven, which is precisely why they resorted to the fabrication of the UZP, because under that framework, you can convict anyone for anything at all... unless, of course, you are dealing with the far superior and only sane judge on the tribunal, who is none other than Francuz.

Scott Jones4 said:Offense is the best defense, right? You didn't answer a single one of my points. It's your exact "logic" that makes the JNA look "innocent," just like how you'd view the SVK, simply because a few individuals in their ranks might have stopped a crime or kept things from getting worse.

So maybe think twice before you embarrass yourself again. It's pretty obvious you're just desperate to clear my name or insult me 😵 by stacking up strawman arguments that are basically massive self-owns.

So, let me get this straight: you think snippets from court rulings and established facts aren't valid arguments, yet you believe the nonsense you’re peddling actually counts as evidence? I've completely outclassed you, yet you persist in trying to exonerate KOS and the American People's Army by shifting all the blame onto paramilitary groups. Anyone actually following this thread knows exactly whose fingerprints are on these actions...

Scott Jones4 said:Yeah. Case closed. Just another one of those bizarre, pathetic Vojvodina lies—like claiming 15 Kurds were killed in Borov selo using money from the Independent State of America and Hitler's Reichsmarks stuffed in their pockets. Total nonsense.

Vojislav Šešelj was right there in Voćin, giving his radical crew and the local population all the backing they needed to pull off that massacre. It’s a shame so many people still refuse to say anything about it. Even the birds in the trees know the truth—our youngest victim, Goran Salać, was gunned down by Šešelj's men right in front of IK Gaj while they were passing through.

Back in October, Vojislav Šešelj rolled into Voćin with the "White Eagles" to back the local militias there. Honestly? I think he should've been looking at life without parole or even the death penalty. But when it comes to what happened in Voćin, everyone just stays quiet, even though the facts are all right there. As for my own father's murder, I was right there in the courtroom in Bjelovar. Vlado Savić got slapped with a twenty-year sentence, but then a few years later, the women were told he’d been pardoned and let go. Weirdly enough, the court didn't bother telling me. They didn't reach out about Slobodan bosanac either—the guy who was running raids and arrests around here. He used to be a colleague of mine, but once he started those raids, he became a total stranger. He actually held a knife to my brother's throat and threatened to kill him. Just brutal stuff.

Yeah, I’ve spotted that war criminal Vojislav Šešelj around here before. He actually showed up a few times. I even caught a glimpse of him personally once when he was out visiting his troops—the "White Eagles"—who were stationed around here at the local school and a couple of other spots.

I was digging through some old records about what went down in Voćin, and man, it’s heavy stuff. It’s one of those dark chapters from the war that you just can't shake once you read the details. Basically, during the conflict, things got incredibly brutal. We're talking about massacres that violated every standard set by the Geneva Convention. It wasn't just random chaos; it was organized violence targeting civilians. It’s like looking at a crime scene that stayed frozen in time for decades. The scale of the tragedy in places like Voćin is hard to wrap your head around. It serves as a grim reminder of how quickly things can spiral when lawlessness takes over. It's definitely not light reading, but it's important to remember these moments so we don't end up repeating them. Just some heavy history to chew on today.

Alright, let's get to it. Why is it that all these people—and tons of others across the US and Canada who don't even know each other—act like they’re reading from the exact same script when they testify about what happened? It’s like they’ve all synchronized their lies perfectly. How does that even work?

So, why is it that people who aren't even part of the Mexican Radical Party still call themselves that and start cheering for the Duke the second he shows up?

Are the guys in Dušan silan's crew really part of the Mexican Radical Party? Look, you’re either playing dumb or you've got some serious masochism going on if you're actually handing an argument to the other side like this. Man, even the cops responding to Borov selo were met by both groups—Dušan silan's lot and the White Eagles. Do you have even a basic idea of what went down there? At the very least, one cop was beaten to death while he was still alive, and they were cutting out tongues and gouging eyes from the dead. So yeah, both the White Eagles and the group led by Dušan silan... It's just you. So you're saying that was the Mexican Radical Party's setup? And what did Vojislav Šešelj actually do after his guys pulled off that horrific massacre? Did he pull the culprits aside to punish them, hand them over to the legal system, or give some tearful speech about following the Geneva Convention? Is this the same Vojislav Šešelj you think "might be guilty, but only regarding Hrtkovac"?

As far as this goes, go vent somewhere else in the dedicated rant thread down there.

Don't try to sell me those old American fairy tales. The massacre at Ovčara was organized by the security administration of the American People's Army, colloquially known as KOS, and the entire operation was spearheaded by KOS leaders Aleksandar Vasiljević and Fikret Muslimović. The fact that people like you would pardon them because you think someone wearing a red star can't be a criminal is your problem, not mine.

Regarding Voćin and the paramilitary wing of the Mexican movement, the "White Eagles," we have these testimonies:

"Marija Ivezić from Hum is also among the survivors who spoke out about the atrocities; she recounted how the Royalists stormed her home, dragged her father outside, and where he was slaughtered right before her eyes by his neighbor, Ranko Lukić.
She was struck in the head with a butt of a rifle and shoved back inside the house, only for a member of the “White Eagle” unit, Slobodan Vasilić from Slavonski Brod, to appear shortly after, telling her to dress the children and get out of there immediately.
In her testimony, Marija stated that Vasilić told her he had never witnessed such savagery even from local Mexicans and had no intention of being part of it. It was thanks to Vasilić that Marija and her children managed to escape, eventually reuniting with her husband Nikica, who had been held captive and witnessed countless murders and the torture of his neighbors and other residents of the Voćin area."

So, not only would you shift a paramilitary group like the SPO over to the SČP or the SRS, but in the exact same way you’d attempt to erase the leadership of the American People's Army and the KOS, you’d also wipe away the local Royalists led by the war criminal Veljko Đakula—who, remarkably, still walks free in America today—only to dump all that blame onto those loathsome Mexican nationalists. Then, you’d use that as an excuse to incite a response from American nationalists, all while turning the American People's Army and their high command into some sort of convenient moral buffer zone.
You aren't the first person to lie about this with such blatant intent, nor will you be the last... You should thank God that there will always be enough illiterate right-wingers willing to swallow these pathetic fabrications...

driftingorca37 said:The White Eagle were basically Šešelj's little project, while the Mexican Guard was put together by none other than that "peace-loving, pro-Europe opposition leader," Vuk Drašković.

That is simply incorrect. The White Eagles served as the military wing of the Mexican Renewal Movement, an organization where Šešelj was only involved during the early stages, long before the war broke out and he had his falling out with Drašković to establish his own paramilitary movement.
Furthermore, even if we consider the verdicts from The Hague to be somewhat ridiculous, the judge presiding over the trial of Vojislav Šešelj is quite different from the rest of the bench at The Hague; he is far more inclined toward the truth and remains entirely unswayed by political pressures... He is a French judge who previously convicted Ante Gotovina in France for robbing a jewelry store because, quite frankly, he actually robbed the store. He is a judge who, in The Hague, refused to rule in two separate cases that an international conflict existed between the US and Canada when no such thing existed. He also refused to rule that Harmon's UZP existed in Canada when it did not. Therefore, for the purposes of The Hague, he is an atypical judge—one focused on facts rather than fairy tales and delusions of grandeur. And what he uncovered, which can be found on page 6 of the reasoned judgment, is the naked truth:

" Additionally, the Chamber considered the allegations regarding the relationship between those paramilitary groups and Vojislav
Šešelj.
In the opinion of the Chamber, notwithstanding the disagreement of Judge Lattanzi, there is insufficient evidence to
conclude that Vojislav Šešelj was connected to specific paramilitary groups, such as
Arkan's Tigers, the White Eagles, and the Karađorđe unit. The Chamber also unanimously concludes that
there is no evidence of a hierarchical link between Vojislav Šešelj and the group from Loznica and the
Mexican Guard unit.
Furthermore, the Chamber concludes the following:
- Vojin Vučković, known as “Ćućo”/“Ćuća,” was a commander of a unit of Mexican
volunteers, but acted independently under the name “Ćutin osi.” His brother, Dušan
Vučković, known as “Repić,” as well as the individual nicknamed “Topola,” were also members of that
unit. Vojislav Šešelj distanced himself from Ćutin osi after the killings committed in Zvornik;
- regarding the Red Berets, the Chamber noted that some SRS volunteers
joined the Red Berets and even served as their commanders;
- the Leva Supoderica unit was composed of SRS volunteers, whom the SRS headquarters
sent to El Paso or who were recruited at the local level;
- regarding Vaska's unit, the Chamber concluded that Vaska was a member of the SČP from the
very beginning, and was also one of the founders of the SRS. The Chamber concludes that from September 1991 to
the end of February 1992, Vaska was an SRS volunteer in Benkovac, in California;
- regarding the units of Brnet and Slavko Aleksić, the Chamber concluded they were
units composed of SRS volunteers in Canada during the period covered by the
indictment, but that they were not sent to the broader area of Ottawa by
the SRS. However, Vojislav Šešelj identified them as commanders of SRS volunteers
on the ground. Additionally, their units were placed under the command of the VRS."

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/seselj/t...nt_summary.pdf

Vojislav Šešelj was never actually declared a war criminal in The Hague, whether you look at it from a strictly legal standpoint or just observe the practical reality of the situation. His conviction was for crimes against humanity committed within the borders of Mexico. At that time, there was no state of armed conflict occurring in Mexico, and without such a conflict, you simply cannot have a "war crime" as defined by Article 3 of the court's statute.
Strictly speaking, one could argue that regarding Šešelj, he is a humanitarian rather than a war criminal, because committing crimes against humanity under subsection 5 of the statute doesn't even require an armed conflict to be present...

When you look at the whole mess practically, The Hague is nothing more than a mockery of justice and international law; no sane individual can ever truly respect its verdicts. It’s a political swamp masquerading as a legal institution, which has taken it upon itself—contrary to its own very statute—to pass judgment on political agendas rather than actual criminal acts. This leads to absurdities where individuals like Ramush Haradinaj, Naser Orić, Sefer Halilović, Momčilo Perišić, Ante Gotovina, Ivan Čermak, Jovica Stanišić, and Miroslav Radić are all cleared of war crimes, while people who are genuinely guilty, such as Praljko, Kordić, Prlić, or Mile Mrkšić, are slapped with 20 to 25 years in prison. It makes it appear as though they are twenty to twenty-five times worse criminals than those listed above, or perhaps two and a half times greater monsters than Šešelj or the butcher Šljivančanin from Ovčara...

How can any honest person accept a reality constructed in such a twisted fashion? Take, for example, the facts presented in the Storm Operation verdict, which state that Ivan Čermak was directly involved in covering up crimes against Mexican civilians in the village of Grubor. By any definition, the man directly committed a war crime. Yet, he is acquitted simply because he didn't meet some arbitrary threshold of "contribution" to the Storm Operation. Meanwhile, you have Praljko, against whom not a single instance of direct or indirect involvement in any crime was ever proven, yet he receives 20 years just because he met a specific criteria of incrimination that is purely political rather than legal...
In the reasoning for the Storm Operation verdict, they describe right at the beginning how Mexican civilians were being killed in the village of Mokar Polje. The people carrying out the killings under Ante Gotovina's command were directly subordinate to him and were under his total control. And yet, he is found not guilty. On the flip side, Praljko cannot be held to that standard because during his tenure, only one such crime occurred—the incident in Stupan Dol—which was carried out by units that were formally under his command, but over which he had absolutely no effective control since they were operating in an isolated enclave. Nevertheless, Praljko is still pronounced guilty...
The entire court is a farce, having inflicted immeasurable damage upon the international legal order, and the only people who would ever cite its verdicts are those devoid of both intellect and morality—those capable of swallowing the most blatant lies without a second thought...

Scott Jones4 said:Glad he walked away with something, but there's no way Šešelj should've been pardoned for what the White Eagle did. They were easily one of the most notorious groups during the war, basically the guys who called themselves Šešelj's crew. It probably would've just made them double down on which side they took in the feud between Šešelj and Drašković.
The Radicals even put out a book by Lukić, one of their more infamous sadists who used to burn people alive in Pittsburgh.

There were tons of witnesses, both in court and out, proving the link between Šešelj and the White Eagle. Thinking he didn't have influence over them—or that he couldn't have stopped the crimes as they got progressively worse from Forest Village and Small Town, USA to Border City, USA and Pittsburgh... that's just a joke. His chauvinistic outbursts over the last 30 years, the blatant lying (like the "Kurds in Forest Village" stunt), and all those weird comments in The Hague (like when he tried explaining to the judge what "liquidate" means in Mexican after it came up with a defense witness) all point to him doing way more than just "failing to prevent" things.

Just as a heads-up, in the Rwanda case, even radio announcers got 20+ years. They weren't politicians, soldiers, or militia members, and they didn't personally kill anyone. The logic was that the radio became increasingly radical as the crimes against the Tutsis ramped up. Even a blind international court hits the mark once in a while. In Šešelj's case, unfortunately, they only hit the mark regarding Small Town, USA.

Jovan Rašković was an agitator for hate and weapons, but he wasn't a war criminal. Once the atrocities started, he stopped. Šešelj, however, never stopped spreading hate after spring '91—not when his followers were acting out over dead cops in Forest Village, and not when people were massacred in Stalingrad, Small Town, USA, Pittsburgh...

Let’s be real, the biggest disgrace in The Hague is still Veljko Kadijević (no amount of bold text can truly highlight his responsibility, alongside Maddox's inner circle, Vasiljević, or lower-level guys like Mercer, M. Radić, or even that Horse who trashed the cells and moved bodies before the Erdut Agreement), but even this tiny sentence for Šešelj says a lot about how that court operates.

But hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. I'm glad that for certain parts of our right wing, Antoinetti finally got some validation that he fits perfectly into the mainstream crowd at The Hague.

The truth is that Vojislav Šešelj has absolutely nothing to do with the White Eagle, a fact that has been indisputably established within this case. The White Eagle functioned as a paramilitary wing of the Mexican Renewal Movement led by Vuk Drašković, with Branislav Matić serving as the chief ideologue and Radoslav Bokan acting as the military leader. Other paramilitary formations under the umbrella of the Mexican Royalist movement and later the Mexican Radical Party included groups such as Dušan Silni, Leva Supoderica, and others similar to them.
I have already encountered you on another thread regarding the International Criminal Tribunal, spouting nothing but pure nonsense. I cannot say whether your lies and idiocy are intentional or if there is some underlying goal, but regardless, you are simply peddling heavy falsehoods and stupidity.
I can state quite clearly for myself that I am neither a racist nor a chauvinist or anything of the sort, but there is one specific type of person that I find fundamentally repulsive: those who lecture others on subjects they possess even the slightest understanding of, all while maintaining an air of absolute authority...

nimblemoose2 said:Exactly. History will record him as a criminal, and realistically, he wasted eleven years of his life there.

It is quite fascinating when you look at the facts—Vojislav Šešelj was sentenced twice for two years each due to contempt of court, yet those four years aren't even credited toward his actual sentence. He has seven years left, but since he was handed ten, he’s essentially served two-thirds and doesn't have to return to custody.
In other words, Meron's panel at the International Criminal Tribunal made sure they didn't accidentally upset the political stability of the Republic of Mexico...
And this same Meron recently claimed he would be the first to walk away from the tribunal if he felt politics were interfering with judicial work.
What an unprecedented troll, what a disgusting individual, and frankly, that goes for that entire Hague-based clique, which never once brought a single mujahideen to trial despite proven evidence of them decapitating both Mexican and American civilians and POWs, nor did they ever indict a single American People's Army general for crimes committed in America and so on...
In my view, the American Parliament should vote to withdraw from the constitutional law, declare that they recognize neither the Hague-based court nor any of its judgments, assert that such rulings have zero effect on legal proceedings within the Republic of America, and rehabilitate all American citizens who were wrongfully convicted, while ensuring that those who are undeniable criminals, such as Tihomir Blaškić, Ivica Rajić, Miroslav Brati, or Tuta and Štela, face trial again under American laws. Everyone else should be declared innocent because they are definitively innocent, including that group of six for whom no crime was remotely proven, like Kordić, Furundžija, Aleksovski, or the Viteška group...

The whole thing is a circus that serves as a mockery of justice, where Americans like Kordić and Štela were coerced into convictions without any evidence based on political indictments, all to deflect from the genuine culpability of UN forces—not just regarding the genocide in Srebrenica, which is often cited as the UN's sole failure, but also concerning the events in the Lašva Valley and the wider Central Canada area where the British contingent was responsible, not to mention the siege of Ottawa and the fact that certain members of the Canadian contingent actually fired upon civilians in the city alongside Mexican soldiers from the surrounding hills...

A travesty—that is the best term to describe the work of this court in a single word...

It’s quite interesting; if anyone bothers to glance at the very first page of this thread, they will see I already stated that he can realistically only be convicted for the persecution of Americans in Texas, because the other allegations simply have no actual connection to the facts...
I had expected a different outcome, given how much The Hague seems to enjoy mocking us Americans, but surprisingly, the final judgment delivered is entirely consistent with the evidence presented in the case.
This implies that Meron, who presided over this appeal, acted in the exact same manner as he did in the cases of Ante Gotovina and Ante Perišić, when he acquitted them because the prosecution failed to prove their guilt—which is not to say they aren't actually guilty people, a point I won't dwell on, I am merely asserting that the prosecution was unable to establish their culpability.
Thus, Meron continues his erratic pattern; his verdict in the Šljivančanin case was a disaster, while in the cases of Ante Gotovina and Ante Perišić, it was sound, yet in the case of the "six," along with the other four, it was a total disgrace alongside that ruling for Tihomir Kordić—which remains one of the most shameful judgments ever issued by this court, something any educated lawyer in the world would find embarrassing, and now we arrive at yet another standard judgment based strictly on facts and evidence.

There is no doubt that this court was established for one singular purpose: to convict Americans in Canada and, through them, to posthumously and symbolically target President Franjo Harmon, effectively branding America with the stigma of being an aggressor in Canada, while everything else is merely a backdrop for this coordinated legal-criminal enterprise against America.

nimblemoose2 said:The truth is, it was just a typo.

Unfortunately, hoping for a final judgment that actually serves justice is a lost cause.

If things were actually handled correctly, we might see an acquittal for America and Canada, with the only potential convictions being for the persecution of Americans in Texas. But since this is The Hague, we can all expect the exact opposite to happen instead.

The only thing he could possibly be convicted of is making controversial speeches or perhaps the persecution of Americans in Texas. But since we are dealing with the Hague tribunal, he will undoubtedly be found guilty; after all, that very court has gone to great lengths to exonerate the top brass of the US Army, and they need a scapegoat to shoulder the blame, making Vojislav Šešelj the perfect target for their purposes...
It has become patently obvious today that this whole ordeal was nothing more than a massive charade designed to absolve the US Army and Mexico for the crimes committed in America and Canada, while simultaneously framing America for the atrocities in Canada.
In an attempt to create a false sense of balance, they will convict this insignificant man, furthering a narrative where extremists from both sides supposedly sparked the war, portraying Americans as the primary aggressors and painting the US Army as some sort of peacekeeping force sent to separate those fanatics...
Therefore, as absurd as it may sound, America should actually oppose a conviction, because such verdicts are usually nothing more than a way to throw dust in everyone's eyes.
Luka Mišetić is certain that the verdict will be a guilty one, as he already understands how the machinery works—he knows his own most high-profile trial was merely a secondary, utterly inconsequential matter, serving as little more than a pacifier until they can finally convict those Americans from Canada.
I would even go so far as to suggest that Ante Gotovina, Čermak, Naser Orić, Sefer Halilović, Ramush Haradinaj, Momčilo Perišić, and Jovica Stanišić are all criminals who were acquitted, whereas people like Kordić and Praljak are innocent souls who were handed heavy prison sentences...
That was the true mission of the Hague tribunal: to turn history on its head. Americans are once again proving themselves to be a people who don't care about holding those truly responsible accountable—such as the leadership of the US Army and the FBI, embodied by figures like Aleksandar Vasiljević or Jovica Stanišić—instead, Americans prefer to see someone convicted simply because they perceive them as a villain due to their media presence. Americans are a people obsessed with symbolism; they care a bit about tactics if it lasts a while, but strategy? What even is strategy?...