Posts by bluenomad2

Pretty much. It’s one of those movies that pulls in teenagers and anyone who gets a kick out of gangster flicks and that whole glorification thing.

Jeffrey Ruiz3 said:I mean, you actually manage to connect the dots here—turns out it isn't as hard as people think, is it? 👍

This conversation would have taken a completely different turn if we hadn't started with all the fighting.

coastalheron12 said:you've posted this three times in just a few hours

Please, since I'm clearly missing something, explain the cause-and-effect logic here regarding the country (I won't bother writing to the legal authorities or whoever—just the COUNTRY itself): how does institutional inaction toward someone's crimes lead to third-party hooliganism?

edit: looks like yet another user is bolding the same thing🙂

Problem. Reaction. Solution. 😬

The core issue is the institutions that turn a blind eye to all this corruption. It’s people like Jerry Jones and Warren Buffett reacting to the mess they helped create. We need a third option.

Honestly, we should be the ones driving the solution, but most of the time, we're just reacting.

placidorca5 said:I wasn't generalizing you, I was speaking generally. It just feels like everyone has something to say, some moral high ground to take, while most of them are doing way worse stuff in their private lives. I've noticed you always show up after some bullshit happens to play philosopher... which confuses me, because you leave a decent impression on other topics, but you're always around. I didn't think you were an idiot, just that everyone has an opinion, even if they don't really grasp what's happening.
It's not a problem that you're criticizing the brawl at AT&T. Anyone with half a brain would call that out. It's pure stupidity. They're putting drivers at risk, blocking traffic, someone could die... and worst of all, there's a real chance someone totally innocent gets killed in the crossfire.
I find all this sociological over-analyzing of two fan groups weird, as if our society is some kind of exception rather than the rule. We should be just as surprised by fights between small towns, neighborhoods, or people fighting over girls or politics.
In theory, no physical conflict is right, unless you're defending yourself, your family, or people nearby who are being threatened.

You aren't an exception. It’s normal for there to be fights between neighborhoods or small towns. The only difference is that those things don't make the news, whereas fan violence does. That's why you'll always see more coverage of a brawl between Walmart fans and the Rangers than a clash between Brooklyn and Spain or Brooklyn and some unknown area. If there aren't fans involved, the media won't touch it.

placidorca5 said:I wasn't generalizing you, I was speaking generally. It just feels like everyone has something to say, some moral high ground to take, while most of them are doing way worse stuff in their private lives. I've noticed you always show up after some bullshit happens to play philosopher... which confuses me, because you leave a decent impression on other topics, but you're always around. I didn't think you were an idiot, just that everyone has an opinion, even if they don't really grasp what's happening.
It's not a problem that you're criticizing the brawl at AT&T. Anyone with half a brain would call that out. It's pure stupidity. They're putting drivers at risk, blocking traffic, someone could die... and worst of all, there's a real chance someone totally innocent gets killed in the crossfire.
I find all this sociological over-analyzing of two fan groups weird, as if our society is some kind of exception rather than the rule. We should be just as surprised by fights between small towns, neighborhoods, or people fighting over girls or politics.
In theory, no physical conflict is right, unless you're defending yourself, your family, or people nearby who are being threatened.

I agree.

Jeffrey Ruiz3 said:A true American will take a shot at the underdog—but they’ll still bow deep to anyone more powerful than themselves, offering a warm handshake with both hands to show some respect. 👍

Not really needed. 👍

Look, let me throw a question your way—you can always get back to me once the football game is over if that's easier...

Who actually got hit harder—Tomo Horvatinčić or that guy who ran onto the field during the Black and Gold Army match? I mean, 105 days in jail... you tell me. No need to explain.

placidorca5 said:Sure, every other social issue is perfectly easy to dissect from the comfort of an armchair, but fan violence? To our local American moralists, that’s just some inexplicable axiom of human deviancy...

People use that line because most people on the other side think they're just dealing with bottom-feeders, so they approach the debate from some high horse. Usually, they're just talking down to idiots.
Once you actually look at human nature and get a real clinical picture of the average American—or the "citizen of the US," as you love to call them—you realize these guys don't have much to be ashamed of. In certain ways, they're actually the vanguard compared to this mindless, status-obsessed nation.

I’m highlighting these two comments specifically to expose your hypocrisy. You call me out for generalizing about fans, yet you’re doing the exact same thing to me. You’re so lost in your own bubble that you group anyone who says violence and brawling aren't okay right in with the people backing Jerry Jones.

Like bluenomad2 said, there’s no need to repeat this a dozen times. You aren't being direct in your response; you refuse to condemn those groups on AT&T, yet you still complain. No, fighting isn't "normal." Normal people don't do that. My own moral compass won't allow me to support those groups, just like I can't support Jerry Jones. Just because those groups share my opposition to Jack Welch, Jerry Jones, and every other criminal in this country doesn't mean I'm automatically on your side.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the "lesser of two evils" argument. Evil is evil. Figures like Jack Welch and Jerry Jones are the rot in this society. The hooligan groups and most of their followers are just part of that same decay. Like that guy who stormed the field with a stick—now everyone’s acting like we should support that behavior. The funniest part? You people aren't even against it; you're actually rooting for it.

Here it is, just like everyone predicted 🤣 nothing but clichés and the same tired arguments fans always fall back on. But hey... apparently we have scientists, physicists, and PhDs among us 🙏 people who boast about it as if it actually matters. It’s pretty obvious that if there are any, their numbers are too pathetic to be relevant.

Sam Thomas3 said:Honestly, they’re just getting in their own way at this point! Isn't it funny how that works? They've essentially become their own worst enemy. 🙏

About three and a half years ago, right under the noses of this oblivious crowd, we witnessed the biggest precedent since anyone can remember. I mean, it was massive—big enough that even the most stubborn, blind followers might finally open their eyes! In any stable society, a precedent like that would effectively wipe out every single type of crime on the other side of the aisle. We haven't seen anything quite like it since the early '90s during the height of the war. But what do we care, right? To everyone here, the only real issue is some petty drama happening over at Verizon because apparently, people are starting to form lines. 🙏.

Can someone please, for the love of everything holy, just turn off the damn lights? Seriously!

I just don't get it once. Why the quotes around scumbags? People who brawl on the Verizon highway are scumbags, morons, idiots, you name it. I can wrap my head around one-on-one if someone is defending themselves and has no choice, but people heading out specifically to fight in groups against other groups on the highway... 🤣 Verizon, that's not normal in any civilized society. Generally speaking, I can't view people who go out looking for a fight as normal. It’s not normal to just head out somewhere to brawl. And then these same people claim to be fighting crime. Ridiculous.

Noah Roberts46 said:Exactly. Look, there is police brutality against fans in certain cases, sure, but more often than not, they play the victim far more than they actually are. They cause a massive mess that has nothing to do with Mamić, and then the police show up and "mistreat" them. There are definitely scumbags in the police force, but honestly, there might be even more of them among the fans.

Not "maybe," but definitely more. And we need to define what we mean by "fans." You have regular fans, and then you have organized groups—like the Black Knights, the Black and Gold Army, or BBB. Within those groups, there are thugs that the leadership always claims to distance themselves from, though I’m convinced most people in those circles have been in a scrap at some point. It's just in their DNA. They think they're heroes, but they aren't. If there were one collective name for all those groups, it would be Don Quixote.

Carlos Santana and Rory Gallagher laid it out.

I read somewhere that you can spot a potential psychopath just by looking at their eyes. Apparently, if the eyes sit too high above the white part, it's a red flag. I'm not sure how much scientific weight there is to it, but after reading that, I looked up photos of famous serial killers and they all had that exact look—eyes positioned way above the sclera.



Obviously, you shouldn't generalize based on one trait, but it's an interesting bit of info.

Noah Roberts46 said:To be honest, I’m not entirely sure how much weight parents carry in this equation. Maybe they bear the brunt of responsibility for poor upbringing, but if you ask me, society plays a massive role in shaping young people. You see plenty of parents doing everything by the book, yet because there's such a concentrated pool of idiots out there today, some perfectly decent kids fall in with the wrong crowd and turn into completely different people within a year. I'm speaking generally here, not specifically about this case.

What really gets under my skin are these self-righteous crusaders who spend all their time trashing the country and complaining about crime, only to turn around and steal or act like thugs themselves, hurting people who are just trying to earn an honest living. They pose as these pillars of morality—there are plenty of them among the hooligans, especially those who are against Mamić (and look, I am 100% on their side regarding him)—but then they go off to cause trouble in some local bar or jump someone just for looking at them sideways. What does Mamić have to do with that?

Sure, they talk big, but even among us hooligans, you’ve got doctors, physicists, and sociologists.🤣

Nothing Against Fans (ZZD and the rest) who stay out of trouble and stand against criminals like Mamić, the HNS, and the rest, but these actual hooligans who cause real damage are fascinating to me. Like that guy who stormed the field at the stadium. As if you don't get it—it's "against the HNS." I get it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's hard to support that move. The guy who rushed the field doesn't have much going on upstairs; normal people don't do that.

And then there's the one who killed his parents. I read about it and it doesn't even move me. I don't know. I remember certain events from the 90s that truly shook me, but it seems like we, as a society, have gone totally numb to certain things. Everything has become so extreme no matter where you look.

Happy birthday to Vince Vaughn, Nick Frost, and Diana Wiest.




Vince Vaughn can be funny when he actually tries. He's been doing too much drama lately; it’s just not working for me.

Nick Frost has always been solid. One of his best was in 'Spaced', then you have 'Shaun of the Dead' and 'Hot Fuzz'...

Diana Wiest is a great actress. 'Hannah and Her Sisters', 'Radio Days', and other Wudie's films. 'The Lost Boys', 'Parenthood'...

Simon Signoret, happy birthday 🎉


Don't tell me you don't know Signoret. Shame on you. Anyone following American cinema knows her. I know there are plenty of cinephiles here, so why are you all avoiding this topic 😁? Which of her roles do you consider her best?

She was brilliant in Les Diaboliques. Especially that twist in the final 20 minutes. Then there's Melville's gem, The Army of Shadows, though Lino Ventura takes center stage there. She also appeared in The Confession by Costa-Gavras—personally, I think it's his best work, even better than Z. Yves Montand is in that one too, another great actor.

Her finest performance is in Becker's The Golden Helmet; she outshines any Hollywood starlet. Also an excellent role in La Ronde by the underrated Ophuls. I thought she starred alongside Gabin in something, but I can't recall which.

Come on, film buffs :klap: Signoret should be a household name to anyone paying attention to international cinema. If names like Renoir, Melville, or Godard are known to you, then Signoret, Gabin, and Delon should be just as familiar.

That’s just Hollywood for you. Especially now, when high-tech tools are everywhere, yet we're stuck with reality TV and shows obsessed with plastic surgery. So many young girls watch this stuff and start idolizing those people.

Janine Turner (Maggie Gyllenhaal from Twin Peaks) is just another case of a beautiful woman ruining her look.



When I think about what Kim Basinger looked like back in the 90s... now she's just all plastic.

The only reason Sherilyn Fenn still gives me hope 😁 is because even she seems to be heading down the wrong path.

Happy birthday to Steve McQueen, Jessica Chastain, and Lara Flynn Boyle.🎉


Steve McQueen, The King of Cool, was a magnetic actor who died far too young. Back then, Paul Newman and McQueen were always paired as the ultimate icons of cool. He delivered a string of powerhouse performances in 'The Great Escape', 'The Getaway', 'Papillon', 'Bullitt', 'The Magnificent Seven', and his best work in 'The Sand Pebbles'. Just as he left us too soon, so did the beautiful Natalie Wood. Their film 'Love with the Proper Stranger' is a lost romantic gem featuring incredible chemistry between two legends. He also has plenty of other classics, like 'Nevada Smith' and 'Hombre', where he starred alongside Newman...

Jessica Chastain bores me.

Lara Flynn Boyle isn't boring.😁 She'll always be Donna from Twin Peaks.

Happy birthday to Joan Crawford and Kerry Russell🎉


So what's there to say? 😁

Joan Crawford is a classic Hollywood icon, yet she’s one of those few legends I just couldn't get into. She isn't bad by any means—her work in 'Mildred Pierce', 'What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?' (even if Bette stole the show there ☕), and 'Sudden Fear'—a forgotten but excellent noir—proves that. I don't know; her screen presence never clicked for me. I'm more of a Bette fan. She's the true queen of classic Hollywood.

Kerry Russell as Felicity ☕ I watched the first season of 'The Americans' and it was an incredibly unreal bore.

I picked up this series a while back, but I haven't even touched it. Good reminder.

Happy birthday to Karl Malden, Reese Witherspoon, William Shatner, and Bruno Ganz🎉




Karl Malden. Hard to say much other than he was one of those premier character actors with an incredible run in 'A Streetcar Named Desire', 'On the Waterfront', 'Patton', 'Birdman of Alcatraz', and plenty more. Always a powerhouse performance.

Reese Witherspoon started out as one of those stereotypical blondes before actually turning into a decent actress. She earned an Oscar for 'Walk the Line'—solid work. She was also quite convincing in 'Election'. I haven't seen her comedies and don't plan to. Her last good role for me was in 'Wild', though the movie itself wasn't much.

William Shatner is the biggest icon on this list. He’s never been known so much for his acting as he is for 'Star Trek' and playing Captain James T. Kirk. His best work was in 'Boston Legal'. I also remember him from an episode of 'Twilight Zone'.

For me, Bruno Ganz is the best German actor after Kinski. If we're being pedantic, Kinski was Polish, but he gave everything to German cinema. Good old Bruno is widely known for playing Hitler in 'Downfall'—truly a top-tier performance that somehow turned into a parody because of that one scene 😁

His most moving role is in Wenders' 'Sky over Berlin', a film I suspect everyone here has seen. He also had a supporting role in Herzog's 'Nosferatu'. Then there's 'The American Friend', another Wenders film where he completely outshone Dennis Hopper. I recall another role of his in some musical, but the title escapes me.

Happy birthday to Gary Oldman, Matthew Broderick, Timothy Dalton, and Rhys Darby.🎉




Gary Oldman is my favorite actor on this list. He can be over the top, but that’s why you love him. First noticed him in unspecified. A unique role right out of the gate. Then Leon, then he was great in True Romance—too bad it was such a small part.🤣 My favorite is his role in Dracula. He nailed it. Different from Bela Lugosi, Lee, or Langele. Actually, he had that Lugosi elegance, just acted it better.

The Fifth Element, obviously. From the newer stuff, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy was excellent. He still hasn't won an Oscar, even though Leo has. It isn't some massive marketing blitz like they did for Leo. No internet mobs crying hysterically over him like they do for Leo and all that...

Matthew Broderick is a different story. An 80s teen idol. We were just talking about Ferris Bueller's Day Off recently. One of the better teen movies. He also held his own in Glory, which gave him a heavy dramatic role and he didn't disappoint. Then there's Election. For those of us who grew up in the 80s, WarGames was a major influence. Ladyhawke is another gem from that era, though Hauer steals the show there.

I never really cared for Timothy Dalton, but his roles were always interesting. Most know him as James Bond, but he had good turns in the underrated Romerov horror The Dark Half and in Flash Gordon😁 where he plays a sort of wannabe Robin Hood. He's in that new horror series Penny Dreadful, but he didn't do much for me there. Eva Green did.😍

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Happy Birthday to Holly Hunter, William Hurt, and David Thewlis. 🎉


Holly Hunter was excellent in Piano, Raising Arizona, and Broadcast News. She was always a highly talented actress, though her screen time felt far too brief.

I thought William Hurt died last year. 🤦 He was also in Broadcast News alongside Holly. He was excellent in Kiss of the Spider Woman, the film that earned him an Oscar. But for me, his best role is definitely in Body Heat. 😁 Kathleen Turner has that rare, magnetic chemistry. She shared the screen with Glenn Close in The Big Chill. Altered States remains one of those underrated 80s horror gems—it’s excellent. Lately, she’s been solid as General Ross in the Marvel films. Never overhyped by marketing, but her filmography is genuinely strong.

The younger crowd will probably only know David Thewlis as Professor Lupin from Harry Potter, but he’s actually here because of his performance in the incredible film Naked. That’s where he really showed what he can do. He also lends his voice to that wonderful animated film Anomalies. Most of the other roles I've seen him in have been supporting, but now he's set to appear in the third season of Fargo.

It’s basically what happened with Diane Keaton when she landed the role of Batman; fans went ballistic because they only saw her as that comedy actress from Bubimir.😁