Posts by Amanda Ramirez38

Patrick Sanchez7 said:I’m dropping this. It has been three years since I took possession of the apartment, and now they suddenly want to file a claim? By that logic, someone could try to file a grievance a hundred years from now. It seems they simply waited this long just to find another flaw to complain about.

It's lovely seeing you try to heal your real-world inferiority complexes on this forum. You probably should have skipped this thread entirely and gone to therapy instead; based on your first post, you weren't looking for help, just a way to stroke your massive ego. Have a nice day.

placidviper12 said:An energy certificate just outlines the property's efficiency rating; it has absolutely nothing to do with whether the names on the utility bills match the owner.

When you were closing on this place, you should have demanded to see the service logs from an authorized technician and the inspection report from a certified chimney sweep. By law, those pros are supposed to swing by once a year to check the systems and sign off that everything is safe—especially if the gas lines were messed with or new appliances were installed.
Since you've been living there since 2016, you’re also on the hook here. You can't really claim ignorance when you haven't called a technician for the water heater in three years or bothered to ask why the inspector hasn't shown up for the annual checkup.

What do you mean "how so"? A technician came by last year, but like I said, the water heater is in a different room, so it wasn't even part of the dispute. He serviced it and didn't bother checking any other rooms.

Patrick Sanchez7 said:It seems self-evident that one ought to verify every conceivable detail before committing to a mortgage that will span a lifetime. The reason for such diligence is precisely because once the deal is done, there is no turning back.

Naturally, a seller is going to maintain that the property is flawless. It would be absurd for them to volunteer information about defects.

Your only real option is to sue the seller for misrepresentation regarding the home's condition. However, the burden of proof lies entirely with you.

Then again, it’s worth noting that the seller performed the gas line installations himself.

Exactly. The seller was also the developer for our building (through a firm that went bust, though he bought the unit as an individual), lived there for seven years, and then sold it to us. He admitted—verbally, obviously not in writing—that the room in question used to be a bathroom, which is why the gas meter could be placed there. They later installed a shower stall and knew they had to move the meter, but they just didn't. Thanks for the reply; my whole point was whether there's anything I can actually do. If I have to file a lawsuit for being sold a faulty property, then that's my answer. 🙂 I get what you're saying. Ignorance isn't an excuse, and neither is being naive or trusting. But it's not like we broke something or changed things ourselves and now want someone else to pay for it.
If this goes to court, does that disputed certificate play a role in the evidence? Also, do the signatures and statements from the two appraisers who inspected the unit, saw the certificate, and missed the error count for anything?

Patrick Sanchez7 said:My apologies; we haven't moved to a first-name basis, true. To put it plainly, there is very little you can do at this stage.

The fact that you lack specialized knowledge regarding gas lines, plumbing, or any other technical aspect of the residence does not absolve you of responsibility; rather, it constitutes an oversight on your part. In these situations, one typically hires professionals to conduct thorough inspections of both the physical structure and the legal documentation prior to closing to avoid such complications.

Furthermore, if a fourteen-day window is insufficient, why was a longer period for reporting defects not negotiated?

A home that is not brand new and is not being purchased directly from a developer is bought in its current state, inclusive of all flaws, whether they are apparent or latent. This is precisely why a structural inspection is performed—to identify and rectify those very issues.

Everything appeared perfectly acceptable to you at the moment of purchase and remained so for several years thereafter. The window for claims has closed.

Will you also decide to file a grievance three years from now when a plumber informs you that the pipes aren't constructed quite the way you imagined they should be?

What’s with the attitude? I was just asking because apparently we aren't allowed to question things. A bunch of people already signed off saying the apartment was fine, so I wanted to know if we actually had any recourse. You say we don't, and that's fine. Thanks for the answer. We knew the sellers beforehand, and the owner—a civil engineer, as I mentioned—assured us everything was solid. He even pointed out a few minor fixes that we handled ourselves. I know you're going to use that tone to imply I'm naive or stupid for not hiring a professional inspector to check every single thing in the unit, but here we are.
Like I said before, someone put something on paper that just isn't true. They can answer for their signature when the time comes.

Okay, but does it matter if the listing includes stuff that isn't actually there? Like, claiming a condo has an extra room when it doesn't? Is that considered totally legitimate or just straight-up falsifying data?

Patrick Sanchez7 said:There isn't much you can do. The window for filing a claim has closed. You lived in the house for two years before deciding this was an issue. If something else goes wrong twenty years from now, are you going to track down the previous owners again?

The statute of limitations exists precisely for this reason—to prevent endless disputes like yours.

Furthermore, the energy certificate is irrelevant here. You didn't purchase the property based on a document you hadn't reviewed. Why didn't you insist on having the certificate corrected prior to the sale?

If you had actually read my initial post—and I'm not sure when we decided to stop being formal—you'd see we HAD NO IDEA this was improper because we've never dealt with gas lines in an apartment before. How am I supposed to complain about something I didn't know was wrong? If a door or window is missing at the time of purchase, it's obvious. But if I don't know a technical setup is illegal (even though the former owner, the civil engineer, and the developer all knew), what exactly am I complaining about? Two different appraisers—hired and paid for by the previous owners—inspected the place and signed off on it. It has an energy certificate and a full report. So how is it possible that a technician from the utility company tells me I'm living in a technically non-compliant unit that should never have received a Certificate of Occupancy? And now you're telling me I should have filed a claim within two weeks? For something like this? I didn't crack a wall or break a door frame. Ultimately, that certificate (which isn't the core issue here, but is the only proof I have that the condition hasn't changed since I moved in) is a valid legal document, right? Except the data in it is fraudulent. It claims there's one bathroom with a tub and a separate toilet, yet the attached photos show the "bathroom" which is actually just the utility closet where the gas meter is, clearly showing a shower stall instead. Given that, what am I supposed to do?

Laura Cox5 said:Look, here’s the deal: the gas meter can't just be crammed right up against the water heater, and they won't let you stick it in a bathroom or even a tiny powder room either. There's this real chance the utility workers might actually end up sealing off your service if things aren't set up right. Honestly, my fix? Just clear out the area around the meter by taking the door off entirely and hanging a cheap curtain instead. It sounds kind of ridiculous, I know, but that's the reality of it. I feel like they make these rules just to be difficult, though I guess I won't go full scorched-earth on them since safety is technically a thing.
As far as how they calculate everything goes, the space where the meter sits is determined strictly by the volume of that specific room. That part has absolutely nothing to do with whether the equipment is certified or not.

Thanks for the reply. Maybe I didn't explain this clearly. The water heater is in another room, the pantry, so there's no issue there. The meter is in the bathroom.
The problem is that the room used to be a half-bath, and the previous owners installed a shower stall on their own to turn it into a full bathroom (they eventually admitted they knew the meter should have been moved to the hallway, but they just didn't). So, it's currently an apartment with two bathrooms—one with a tub and one with a shower—but the energy audit and all official paperwork still list it as having only one bathroom and one half-bath. We don't want to foot the bill for moving the gas meter out of the bathroom since the old owners should have handled it ages ago (technically, they weren't even supposed to put the meter in a bathroom or convert the room after the meter was installed), but they're refusing and claiming we could have installed the shower ourselves after buying the place.
Since the energy audit was completed before we even moved in, and the photos show that disputed bathroom (even though the text says one bathroom and one half-bath), is there anything we can do to make them cover the cost?

To whom it may concern,

Back in December 2016, we bought an apartment through a standard mortgage and sales contract. Everything seemed perfectly legal. Then, a few days ago, workers from Waste Management showed up at our place because they’re relocating gas meters to the hallway—part of some building-wide project—and informed us that having a gas meter in the bathroom is against code.

Neither my fiancé nor I have ever lived in a place with gas lines before, since we aren't originally from Chicago, so we weren't aware of the regulations. After doing some digging, we found out the unit didn't originally have two bathrooms. It had one main bathroom with a tub and a separate half-bath where the meter was located. At some point, the previous owners installed a shower stall in that half-bath.

The guy from Waste Management told us we’re living in a "technically non-compliant apartment" and he has no idea who authorized its use. That’s where things get interesting.

The paperwork is all in order. Two different appraisers inspected the place and signed off on everything, and we even have an energy efficiency certificate the previous owners obtained after the shower was installed but before the sale. That certificate lists the unit as having one full bathroom and one separate toilet room, yet the photos attached—showing the drain, faucet, and shower opening—are clearly from the bathroom with the shower stall.

The former owners refuse to pay to move the meter to the hallway. They’re pointing to a clause in our contract stating we had 15 days to report any issues. I'm wondering what the next step is. Neither the sellers nor the inspectors flagged this during the purchase, and we obviously didn't scrutinize the energy certificate, which apparently doesn't match reality.

Thanks for the help.