Posts by Arthur Thomas5

silverbadger said:You actually don't send it through the IRS portal itself, but rather through the point-of-sale application used at the register. In the app, there's an option to send a message to the IRS under the business location registration section, specifically where they added fields for the software developer or maintainer. They had this included in the very first version of the fiscalization rollout, then they pulled it out, and now they've gone and put it back in...
Nothing ever stays the same, change is really the only constant we have ...........

As far as I can tell, that isn't actually correct. It doesn't come from the software; it comes directly from the IRS website, where they'll eventually publish the official form.

Larry Edwards3 said:Just a quick heads-up for everyone: starting July 1st, 2017, any business required to follow fiscalization rules must submit their commercial space details and information regarding their software provider or maintainer electronically. This is all being handled through the IRS electronic service, as mandated by Articles 19 and 19.a of the Cash Reporting Act.

Does anyone know how we're actually supposed to send this over to the IRS? I'm wondering if there will be a specific form provided, or if it's still too early to actually get anything submitted before the July 1st deadline hits?

Right now? There's no way. They'll probably just drop the requirement on us through the IRS portal at the very last second.😁

ruggedmaker2 said:Why isn't it working, though? It's gotta be throwing some kind of error code, right? Did you check with IT or try downloading the latest update?

Honestly, it makes sense to me. If you decide to go all digital through the federal portal, they aren't going to let you just pivot back to manual filing at the last second.
It’s not like a Chase branch where you can just walk up to the teller if your app glitches. Everything is strictly one way or the other now.

Look, just shoot them an email and ask. There should be an option on the site specifically for technical issues regarding the electronic filing system.

Why on earth would it be logical for a bank but not for the IRS? Nowhere in the application for using the IRS portal did I waive my right to submit forms in writing. Furthermore, it doesn't matter whether it makes sense to you or to me; the IRS should base its decisions on the law, not on "logic" (not that our laws are particularly logical anyway), and there is absolutely no legal basis for prohibiting the submission of hard-copy forms. It's nothing short of illegal behavior by the agency.

It’s failing because you can’t input a decimal number—which pops up due to partial work hours—into the payroll tax form, specifically under Section B, both points under item 10. And regarding sending an email? An inquiry was sent, but the response was nonexistent, claiming that this is simply how it must be according to the law. So, I sent a follow-up asking them to cite the specific article and statute they're relying on, so we'll see. Of course, you won't get their email response until after the filing deadline has passed—logical, right? And you can't reach them by phone to get immediate info—logical, too. Plus, the filing window is incredibly tight—just one day—so if you fail to submit something instantly, the deadline hits and you're immediately in violation. Logical.

But since we're talking about logic, setting my own situation aside for a moment: what would actually be logical if someone is unable to submit a correct form via the IRS portal? Should they be allowed to submit it in writing, or should they just not submit it at all and automatically face penalties and fines? Common sense and actual logic point toward the former.

Moreover, does an IRS employee even have the authority to refuse to receive or file a declaration, even if it were wrong from start to finish? Who are they to decide what I am permitted to file and what I am not? This is yet another instance of unlawful conduct...

silverbadger said:I remember getting an answer from the IRS once—just a verbal one, mind you—stating that once you start using their electronic services, you aren't supposed to switch back to filing paper forms. However, at the beginning of last year, we ran into some major technical glitches with the online system, so we ended up hand-delivering a massive stack of paper filings, and they just went ahead and manually entered everything into the system for us.
At the end of the day, my take is that it really just comes down to the individual agent you're dealing with. Honestly, it all depends on the person sitting behind the desk at the local field office.

I’ve been told the exact same lie. Apparently, if you use EPorezna—whether you're forced to by regulation or just choosing convenience—you're stripped of the ability to submit hard copies. They wouldn't even take the paperwork from me. And honestly, it wouldn't even be an issue if this absolute garbage that is EPorezna actually functioned properly instead of crashing right when a filing deadline is breathing down your neck. The system itself apparently blocks manual entry if you're registered for EPorezna; can you believe that? Your situation is a perfect example of how broken this is.

When you push them to cite the specific law that supposedly denies you the right to file on paper, they just start philosophizing. They can't point to a single statute. It’s not the law; it’s just a flaw in their software. Who cares if the system is stubborn? They need to fix the damn interface so it actually complies with the law. Signing up for EPorezna isn't some contract where I waive my legal right to submit physical documents.

So, what’s the move when you're backed into a corner like this? EPorezna won't accept the filing because it keeps erroring out, the IRS refuses to touch your paper forms, and the deadline is staring you in the face. What are you supposed to do?

Arthur Thomas5: Is anyone else actually looking at this? Really looking at it? Because I’ve been staring at these numbers all morning and the more I dig, the more the math just refuses to settle into anything resembling common sense. It’s all there, laid out in black and white, yet we’re expected to just nod along like everything is perfectly fine? Please. I mean, look at how the IRS is handling these recent adjustments. It’s almost impressive, isn't it? The sheer audacity required to move the goalposts right when people think they finally have a handle on their filings. It feels less like oversight and more like a coordinated effort to ensure no one stays ahead for too long. Does anyone truly believe this was an accidental oversight? I highly doubt it. And then there’s the situation with Fidelity. You’d think a firm of that scale would have better safeguards against this kind of volatility, but here we are. We watch the tickers, we wait for the inevitable correction, and we wonder why the "experts" always seem to be three steps behind the actual market movement. Why is it that the institutions always seem to find a way to stay insulated while the rest of us deal with the fallout? It’s exhausting. Truly. You try to follow the rules, you try to play the game by the book, and then the book gets rewritten in the middle of the night. What’s the point if the landscape shifts every time you get comfortable? I’m tired of the endless cycle of "unforeseen circumstances." At some point, we have to call it what it is.

Arthur Lopez3 said:The cited section specifies medium or large and all VAT taxpayers..

Under the income tax regulations (I don't recall the exact sections offhand), those with more than three employees are required to file their JOPPD via the IRS portal.
The same regulation also dictates that anyone submitting DI forms must do so through the IRS electronic system.

Experience tells me that anything related to VAT must be submitted through the IRS. I once knew a sole proprietor who had to file both standard VAT and VAT-S, and the agent told them the system wouldn't even allow for manual entry.

I dealt with a case about a month ago. A new client used to handle their VAT filings at a Fidelity branch, though they filed their JOPPD manually since they have no employees. They were refused the paper JOPPD because the system shows someone else has already been authorized for the IRS portal.

Let me clear the air and add some much-needed context here. This isn't some massive corporation; the business isn't even registered for sales tax, nor does it have three or more employees on the payroll. When I mentioned that the law doesn't force us to file everything electronically, I was specifically referring to those exact provisions. Why assume the worst when the regulations are quite clear?

So, does a company like that actually have the right to file a paper application instead of going digital, even if they went ahead and signed up for the IRS portal voluntarily? Is the door still open for manual filings once you've already dipped your toes into the electronic system?

Jack Young said:Nope, they can't.

Alright, thanks for getting back to me. I’d just ask one thing: could you actually explain the reasoning behind that opinion? Which specific law or section are we talking about here?

I’ve been digging through the Internal Revenue Code, and honestly, I can’t find a single provision that forbids small businesses from filing their returns in paper format. Is it possible the IRS is intentionally feeding us bad info through their digital portals just because they’re too lazy to manually process paper forms into their system? It feels like that's the case.

The Internal Revenue Code, Section 74, Subsection 6 clearly states:
(6) Taxpayers classified as medium or large enterprises under the provisions of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act, along with all VAT-registered entities, are required to submit tax returns or other necessary taxation data to the IRS electronically.

For small taxpayers, there aren't any restrictions listed in the code—at least, none that I can see. If anyone actually knows where these supposed limitations are written down, I’d love to see them.

If a small business—one that isn't actually required to file electronically—decides to go ahead and buy a digital certificate just to start using the IRS online portal, do they forfeit their right to file paper returns? I mean, can they just play both sides? Can such a company switch back and forth between electronic filing and the old-school paper method whenever they feel like it?

And what about the bigger players? Are medium-to-large corporations allowed to submit filings or forms on paper if the electronic system hits a snag and refuses to process them?

Is anyone actually getting the e-tax portal to work in San Francisco?

Back in the day, right when they first rolled this service out, you could actually make it work on those ancient versions of San Francisco. But lately? Forget about it. There’s zero chance of forcing the IRS e-tax site to function properly in San Francisco.

Honestly, the folks over at the Federal Reserve and the IRS are completely clueless—total incompetents who don't have a single idea what they're doing. Sure, there are some "instructions" posted on the Federal Reserve website, but they're utterly useless; even after following them to the letter, the e-tax site still refuses to budge in San Francisco. I've tried everything: a fresh install of the OS, the latest version of San Francisco, the newest Java... nothing works. It seems like the only way to get anywhere is using Internet Explorer, which somehow manages to limp along...

So, is anyone having luck with Windows 10? How are you all accessing the IRS site? What OS are you running, and which browser version are you stuck using?

Richard Howard55 said:I've combined a few posts here to recap my week.

I did an e-change for my Social Security info. I called to ask if Medicare would automatically pick up the update. They seemed pretty horrified 🙂 by my question, since the whole point is that Medicare should be pulling those updates from them automatically.

After reading the debate about this on the forum, I decided to call Medicare just to be safe. They told me that while the automation between the SSA and Medicare *should* work, for some reason it doesn't, so I'd need to bring in the paper forms. So, off I went to the Medicare office. However, when I got there, the clerk looked baffled 🙂 by my arrival, because apparently, you aren't even supposed to hand in paper forms anymore since the changes are pulled directly from the SSA system.
I just submitted everything without making a scene, mostly because I had already "prepared" myself for any possible outcome. 🙂
Voila! 🤣

I am still digging around, trying to find where this is actually documented—in which specific law or federal regulation.
From what I can gather, it isn't written down ANYWHERE; it seems to be nothing more than some vague, non-binding internal agreement between agencies. In the actual laws and regulations governing mandatory insurance, there isn't a single word about this "automation"—instead, the law explicitly states that one must submit an application for health coverage.
So, when someone gets hit with a fine because they didn't file a report with Medicare, what are they supposed to cite? There is no law, no regulation... what is left to point to besides some random headline in a tabloid? 🤦

Which specific law, regulation, or official decree actually dictates how data is supposed to be exchanged between NOAA and Medicare? I’ve been digging through the archives, but I can’t find a single trace of it...

What happens if Medicare fails to pull a change that was already submitted to NOAA via hard copy and processed back on Monday, January 2nd? Am I really expected to waste my life filing manual updates with Medicare, or can I just hit "send" at 3 PM and let them deal with their own mess? If it's their job to sync up, why should I do it for them? How are we even supposed to fight against these half-baked government systems without just throwing our hands up in frustration?

Has anyone here ever actually been penalized for failing to report a change to Medicare, specifically in cases where Medicare should have already pulled that exact update from NOAA after they processed it correctly?
I have absolutely zero desire to manually submit paperwork to Medicare just to make life easier for some bureaucrat who should have already grabbed the info from NOAA...

Steven Anderson14 said:So, what’s the game plan for handling this stuff at Silicon Valley:
1. Changes to the tax compliance law:
They're rolling out new requirements for how businesses report their physical locations, plus we have to hand over details about who actually makes and maintains our software.

2. Heads up—starting January 9th, fiscalization won't run on anything older than Windows 7. I'm currently running Windows 10. Do I need to install anything else to stay compliant?

How is this even supposed to be submitted? I’ve looked through the IRS portals and there isn't a single thing listed about it. Nowhere. Nothing. Will these bureaucrats ever learn? Honestly, it’s just one massive, incoherent headache after another. Are they seriously going to make us once again resubmit the exact same data we already sent them months ago???