Posts by Edward Flores4

So, if we follow the logic that a student asking a teacher a question is basically just "a student unaware of their own ignorance," then...😁

Wait, what exactly are they even asking, if they don't even realize there's a gap in their knowledge to begin with?😍 😂

Honestly... I think you might have just dug your own grave here. You were so busy trying to wiggle out of a corner and justify yourself that you started spouting some truly nonsensical gibberish.

Why don't you go ahead and ask your mentor—your dear old teacher—to explain the whole concept of manifesting subconscious ignorance by asking questions about things you don't even know you don't know? And once they actually lay it out for you, and if it finally clicks... maybe call 911.😉

ps: I have a feeling it’s going to take you at least a couple of days to sleep off this trauma and come up with some kind of masterly spin control.😁

And who’s asking? It’s not like you’re trying to fix everything all by yourself, right? ☕

ps: To be honest... I’m feeling a little let down here. If you had taken all the guidance I’ve poured into you, you could have reached enlightenment, burned it all down, and found it again three times over by now. I say this with love—and maybe a tiny bit of embarrassment—but it’s absolutely vital that you don't throw in the towel now... I can sense you're incredibly close to that breakthrough. Just hang in there a little longer. 😉

placidharbor7 said:Why are you just sitting there staying silent when you don't even realize who's actually pulling the strings on the remote, Truth Seeker?

Look, if I'm getting on your nerves... don't let the door hit you on the way out! 🙂

ps: Honestly, whatever it is that's got you so worked up—and it's pretty obvious you're feeling a bit restless—it's gotta be coming from inside your own head. The world just exists, you know? It isn't out to get you or doing anything specifically to spite you. I am who I am, just part of the whole fabric of existence, and if my ways are bothering you, well... that sounds like a "you" problem. I'd genuinely suggest you take a look in the mirror and deal with that before things get too messy 👋

placidharbor7 said:A true expert doesn't just give advice; they absolutely demolish you, you clueless amateur. That’s exactly why you were told you're still being too CLOSED-MINDED.

Let's be real here—if you don't even grasp how a "controller" functions, just pack up your things and head out. You actually have the nerve to say, "I have nothing to do with the topic or its title," right? Well, newsflash: according to the expert's reality check, you aren't even close to understanding meditation either.
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Oh, I can tell I’ve been dismantled, alright. ☕

If you honestly don't know how to moderate using a "controller," just gather your things and get out.

It seems like you're acting pretty impulsive and agitated today—very high energy, very rushed. Usually, when someone starts throwing commands around like that, it’s a sign they're running low on actual arguments and trying to overcompensate with sheer ambition—basically, it's a way to mask a lack of substance.

It looks like having any real self-awareness about the roots and limits of one's own culture is threatening your ego's structure, so you're doing everything you can to dodge it. It reminds me of what Nietzsche said—that understanding can actually act as a brake on action. People who are purely driven to act seem to intuitively grasp this; they avoid deep insight because they're afraid of what they might actually realize.

I don't really expect you to wrap your head around this, but then again... this whole back-and-forth isn't actually about you. It's for the wider audience you're unsuccessfully trying to impress by posing as some self-proclaimed, totally unnecessary authority. 😉

"You have nothing to do with the topic or its title," you say. Well, you have nothing to do with meditation either, according to the master's lash.

One of the biggest tells of a sore loser is refusing to acknowledge their own mistakes. It’s funny... it doesn't matter that you failed to notice my disconnect from the thread title—twice now—when all you really needed to do was use some "masterful discipline" to call me irrelevant to meditation. Instead, you try to spin your obvious blunder into this deep, pathological mystery. 😵

I’m waiting with bated breath for your inevitable, "innovative," and highly original response—which will probably just recycle the same tired buzzwords like: truly, master, and truth seeker. 🤣

placidharbor7 said:The title of this whole debate is "dilemmas," isn't it?

From such unrefined craftsmanship, an automatic flame erupts, melting away the truth seeker's rational shell.

So, I have to ask the truth seeker: who, or what, is actually pulling the strings of the "controller"? Whether we're talking about deep meditation or just our daily grind, don't you know the answer from all those books you've read? Just be grateful for your part in this little argument, then go ahead and get back to your meditation.

Your title should probably be "IGNORANT" rather than "MASTER." Look, I’m not saying you can't read—you clearly can—but you are definitely being ignorant here.

I really thought I explained this to you once before—the moderator split the thread, gave it a new name, and basically just grabbed my post from a different discussion to use as the starting point for this one.

I know, I know, tracking all these little administrative shifts can be a bit much for some people, but maybe try loosening up that mental grip a little? If you let a bit more oxygen reach your brain, you might actually grasp this incredibly simple concept: the fact that I have absolutely nothing to do with this specific topic or its title.

Pure, unadulterated mastery radiates an autogenic flame that melts away the truth seeker's rational shell.

Roses are red, grass is green, who gives a shit 🤷

So, tell me, oh wise one, who—or what—actually controls the "controller"?

Why are you answering my question by just throwing the exact same question back at me? You keep falling into this loop, stubbornly hoping that if you ask the same thing for the N-th time, you'll suddenly get a different result. Do you realize that this kind of behavior is right up there with Einstein's definition of insanity? Are you seriously able to crank the same handle over and over until it breaks, without ever expecting anything to change?

You remind me of that handyman who carries nothing but a single file in his toolbag. No matter what he’s trying to fix, he pulls out that same file with total confidence, convinced it’s the perfect tool for every single job.

If you haven't picked this up through reading, then just be grateful for your minimal contribution to this dispute and go meditate.

Well, if following your advice is going to turn me into someone like you...
thanks for the tip, "master," but I'll pass. 😁

placidharbor7 said:And frankly, I don't think you have a clue what you're rambling about either! You're out here stuttering away, claiming that only degenerates can figure out who’s actually pulling the strings and managing the "controller" inside us—and that only those people would dare say it out loud. Give me a break! Just lock it up and move on.

Look... it's pretty obvious you're having some kind of disproportionate emotional meltdown here. Your replies are becoming totally incoherent—you're ignoring your own massive self-owns and leaning harder into this increasingly decadent rhetoric. Honestly, it's effectively reducing you to the mental state of a suspicious elementary schooler with questionable parenting.

I really am sorry you're feeling so wounded, though. I get why you feel the need to soothe your subconscious by doubling down on this "master craftsman" perspective of yours—which always seems to boil down to that repetitive, arrogant posture of yours, acting as if you're looking down from... well, how you describe it... those very "enlightened" heights of consciousness (which sounds more like expensive, imported smog to me). I also realize how critical it is for you to chant these little mantras non-stop; otherwise, they might stop working, and we wouldn't want that to be disastrous for your "self-esteem," would we?

I hear you loud and clear, buddy—but honestly, none of that is my problem. ☕

placidharbor7 said:Look, you aren't "broken"—how could you possibly be? You're simply still closed, my friend, a true truth seeker.

Since when did that become some mandatory spiritual rule? That "just be" nonsense is usually pushed by those amateur gurus who don't realize that someone stuck in a lower state of consciousness can't just summon a higher one on command.

Man, you really have a way with words, don't you? Swapping out "corrupt" for "closed"... wow! It sounds fancy, sure, but let's be real—it's the exact same thing. Whether you call it being corrupt or just being closed off, the underlying point about being dysfunctional doesn't change one bit. You're just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic here; you can dress it up all you want, but you can't hide what's actually going on.

So, listen, my dear merchant of illusions—why don't you hitch two horses to your cloud and gallop off to find somewhere you might actually be useful... assuming such a place even exists.

Since when did "being" become some spiritual requirement? That's just stuff gurus pull out of thin air—those folks who don't realize you can't summon a higher state of consciousness if you're stuck at a lower level.

Look, I'm not saying you have no clue what you're talking about... it's more that I have absolutely no idea what *you're* talking about. I suspect it's just a matter of how thick the fog is at different altitudes, so honestly, I'd recommend you work on that New York City syndrome as soon as possible. That way, your pressure stays low, and the heavy fog won't keep obscuring your "higher consciousness" (whatever that's supposed to mean).

placidharbor7 said:A true master doesn't "mock" their students just to drive them toward mocking themselves and the teacher in return, right?
Ignorance isn't "being lost," and it certainly isn't a moral failing.
You're just talking nonsense again out of pure lack of understanding, truth seeker.

A true master shows up when you actually need them. These other folks? They just barge in when you aren't asking, trying to convince you that you're somehow "broken" just so they can sell you their services... honestly, those guys are nothing more than low-rent snake oil salesmen.

Ignorance is that kind of "wandering lost," and there is absolutely nothing "low" about it.

Whatever happened to the idea of being "a light unto yourself"? Right now, you're sounding less like a guiding beacon and more like a flickering streetlamp with some serious self-esteem issues.😍

placidharbor7 said:It just keeps getting worse! Now even someone with dyslexia can see how much you're just talking in circles.

I honestly don't know if there’s anything lower than this—searching for comfort and validation in threads posted by the very people you usually mock and dismiss as "lost truth seekers." 🙄 I mean, I didn't think you could actually sink any deeper than this, my dear "true master"... 😍

Being an intelligent person doesn't mean much when you're part of the crowd, because by definition, the crowd is already full enough as it is. So, go ahead—enjoy that well-deserved support from the masses. 😉

There are so many different ways our brains process information. Math is such a unique mechanism—honestly, I’ve always felt that addition and subtraction are actually more taxing than multiplication and division. We tend to handle the latter almost subconsciously, just through pure intuition, whereas we usually have to visualize the former or eventually just commit them to memory through sheer repetition.

At the end of the day, mathematical problems and verbal ones are solved using completely different mental pathways... which explains why that "insurmountable" gap exists in the first place. 😉

Questions like "what is the capital of the White Coast" are actually pretty straightforward for the brain to process. If someone is hearing about the White Coast for the very first time... it’s instantly obvious they wouldn't know the capital. On the other hand, if you already know the capital, that city's name is already mentally linked to the country itself—so the question basically just triggers that existing association to pull up the answer. And if you know the country exists but haven't ever made that connection to its capital? Well, then you know right away that you don't know.

I don't really see any deep mystery behind a question like that, though maybe I'm missing the point here 🤷

ps: I think Olivia Evans8 has a valid point too. A lot of the time, what we're seeing is just learned behavior—people often tell themselves they don't know something, but once you give them the answer, they realize they actually did! 😁

placidharbor7 said:But maybe you're causing problems for everyone else without even realizing it!

You're just struggling with both your intent and your syntax.

So, what—you showed up like some young hero destined to save the masses from their own ignorance? 😁 If that's the case, why aren't you actually explaining things to people instead of acting like you've got a bad case of Stockholm syndrome? 😍

You're just clumsy with your intentions and your syntax.

Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe the issue is just being dyslexic?

placidharbor7 said:Don't go stressing yourself out—you'll get there eventually. It’s all about whether you have that bit of luck on your side, as J. Krishnamurti used to say!

Wait, hold on a second... Are we seriously suggesting that Geishas aren't even human?! That is such a wild thing to say!😢

From what I can remember—and honestly, I'm just trying to keep up here—I wasn't the one who started complaining; you're actually the one stuck on a loop with the grievances. Personally, I don't have any issues to vent about, nor do I feel the need to justify myself to you. On the flip side, you seem to be constantly explaining things to me, essentially just spinning wheels and moving air from one empty space to another. I guess that's become your new Zen hobby 🤷

So, Geishas aren't people!?

Oh, they certainly are, but I suppose metaphors aren't everyone's cup of tea.☕

As far as I know... I don't actually have any students of my own! ☕

Man, you really are a handful for a handyman... Come on, admit it—you just have this deep-seated need to be perceived by others. It’s all for show, really; there's no reason to go playing the Geisha 😁

I mean, what's there to justify if you actually "win," placidharbor7? 😂

wow !!! It speaks 🙂

It’s just great how you went out of your way to elaborate—again—on the exact same points you always bring up whenever we realize you're just circling back to the same old loop, all while stubbornly expecting me to suddenly flip my reaction around. Well, here we are... you might want to sit tight and wait a little longer. I honestly don't know what else to tell you ☕

I’ve gotta say, I’m feeling pretty uneasy about this—there’s this nagging suspicion that you’ve been totally compromised by the spiritual advice coming from some local guru. It feels like you aren't even realizing that you're stuck in this loop of completely broken rhetoric, the kind of stuff that fits Einstein's definition of insanity perfectly. You just keep spinning the same wheel over and over, stubbornly waiting for the exact same reaction to somehow—by some miracle, maybe?—produce a slightly different result one day. ☕

coastalskipper92 said:I haven't actually read Krishnamurthi, yet both of your quotes offer a completely different interpretation of Krishnamurthi and meditation compared to my own.
Everyone sees what they want to see, I suppose.

Starting from that very first sentence, I find myself agreeing with shamantrixx.

It so "annoys" me when, if I happen to bring up a "problem" during a discussion on spirituality, everyone suddenly tries to comfort me... telling me that I'll grow through it and then won't have "problems" anymore.
That I'll just bask in eternal light and peace.
How lovely.
And all because the ego feels the need to "write off" problems simply because they don't fit within the concept of Zen.

shamantrixx... you once wrote to me regarding one of my little rants 😂 about how it isn't necessarily harder to be right... that change is instantaneous...
It wasn't that for me... we aren't the same...
I observed it for a while, much like an exotic plant 😂 and I didn't quite have the space to find a place for it just yet.
I have to explain this using metaphors 😍

To me, meditation is simply self-knowledge about self-knowledge. Is that not the essence of it? 😂😍

If meditation is meant to be the path toward realization, then isn't realization itself a bit of a phantom? A ghost we chase? It feels as though we’ve simply projected the goal into some distant future, measuring a destination that doesn't actually exist in the present.

What exactly do these little asterisks signify?

It isn't about imitation... I've always felt that the truly enlightened ones are those who actually have a guru. 😂

Meditation isn't about finding peace. It’s about freedom. Or is it? One might argue that peace is just a temporary lull, a quiet moment before the storm returns. But true liberation—that’s something else entirely.
There can be no peace without first having freedom.
If we prioritize finding peace first, then our freedom becomes little more than a fleeting oasis.[/b]

See how simple it actually is? 🙂

If you truly believe your guru is enlightened—and more importantly, if you believe they can hand you some magic technique that will somehow trigger your own enlightenment—then you aren't a student; you're just a perfect little believer. 😁

Think about it: you have a guru advising you to just sit there quietly, legs crossed, trying to split yourself into two versions—one part observing and one part being observed—as if doing nothing while sitting still is going to "achieve" something profound. And meanwhile, in your "free time," you’re basically just running errands for this leader... yeah, that kind of guru hasn't led you to freedom; they've just pushed you straight into 😁
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coastalskipper92 said:I haven't actually read Krishnamurthi, yet both of your quotes offer a completely different interpretation of Krishnamurthi and meditation compared to my own.
Everyone sees what they want to see, I suppose.

Starting from that very first sentence, I find myself agreeing with shamantrixx.

It so "annoys" me when, if I happen to bring up a "problem" during a discussion on spirituality, everyone suddenly tries to comfort me... telling me that I'll grow through it and then won't have "problems" anymore.
That I'll just bask in eternal light and peace.
How lovely.
And all because the ego feels the need to "write off" problems simply because they don't fit within the concept of Zen.

shamantrixx... you once wrote to me regarding one of my little rants 😂 about how it isn't necessarily harder to be right... that change is instantaneous...
It wasn't that for me... we aren't the same...
I observed it for a while, much like an exotic plant 😂 and I didn't quite have the space to find a place for it just yet.
I have to explain this using metaphors 😍

To me, meditation is simply self-knowledge about self-knowledge. Is that not the essence of it? 😂😍

If meditation is meant to be the path toward realization, then isn't realization itself a bit of a phantom? A ghost we chase? It feels as though we’ve simply projected the goal into some distant future, measuring a destination that doesn't actually exist in the present.

What exactly do these little asterisks signify?

It isn't about imitation... I've always felt that the truly enlightened ones are those who actually have a guru. 😂

Meditation isn't about finding peace. It’s about freedom. Or is it? One might argue that peace is just a temporary lull, a quiet moment before the storm returns. But true liberation—that’s something else entirely.
There can be no peace without first having freedom.
If we prioritize finding peace first, then our freedom becomes little more than a fleeting oasis.[/b]

Wait a second... I'm a little lost here.

Didn't you just say that you weren't even sure where to "place the exotic plant" initially (it wasn't about having "space for change"), and then later on, at some specific point, you finally realized there was a "free spot" available?

Are you trying to tell me that you processed the idea in stages, or did it just take some time before everything suddenly clicked for you all at once?

Think about it one more time. 😉

placidharbor7 said:Who watches the watcher, Truth seeker?

Who is actually meditating, and who is just hallucinating the "experience" of meditation?

Can there even be meditation without an observer?

Krishnamurti preached celibacy while juggling two lovers at the same time; why on earth would you trust him?

Look, I don't believe him—just like I don't believe you when you claim he was preaching celibacy while having two girlfriends. 🙂

You’re asking me why I trust him, yet somehow expect me to take your word for it—even though my eyes and ears are working just fine. 🤣

Instead of trying to tear down the man's character, maybe try focusing on what he actually said. There’s an eighteen-part series of hour-long videos produced by the BBC where Krishnamurti sits down for a dialogue with a British professor of literature.

If you can manage to pull your head out of the sand and—God forbid—actually watch that series of dialogues, then if you come back with some actual, reasoned criticism regarding any of Krishnamurti's statements... I’d be more than happy to chat about it.

But as long as you’re busy peddling misinformation and speculating about Krishnamurti's private life—throwing out these vague, baseless critiques that make it obvious you haven't even read his work—well, I honestly couldn't care less about your need to build up your own "self-image" by dragging others down. Hey there, Identity Seeker. 😉

I don't put my faith in him, and I don't put my faith in you either. But the arguments he makes? They're solid—like bedrock that keeps you from sinking into the mud of shame. I understand them; I can follow their logic intellectually. Their explanatory power is huge, helping me navigate all sorts of situations without feeling detached from reality or falling into that trap of trying to "control the controller."

It isn't about faith... Identity Seeker. When something works, you don't need to "believe" in it. Effectiveness is its own proof of functionality—at least until something even more effective comes along.

It might not be very Zen, unlike your approach... but it works, which is more than I can say for yours. 😉