Posts by Joseph Bailey41

Jamie Adams6 said:mhm, especially since our whole identity is basically built on being a tourist trap—which, let's face it, we are. I really think countries in our position should stay open to all kinds of options... and I don't just mean sex work, though I won't derail this specific thread. Since tourism is pretty much our entire economy, if we're gonna be this kind of country, we might as well lean into diversifying our "services." Maybe even aim to be a slightly more chill version of the Netherlands. It’s just basic economics, right? Obviously, with the current political climate, that’s a pipe dream, so we'll probably just keep basing our entire economy on waiters, government bureaucrats, and veterans' benefits until the end of time.

Sex workers would finally get some actual safety, and men would have the perfect outlet. A total win-win situation.

We could even tie it into medical tourism. Think about it: we have all these day clinics. What happens in them at night? Nothing. They just sit there empty, filled with beds, nursing uniforms, and a whole lot of potentially interesting equipment. Why not introduce "night clinics" to actually make use of the resources we already have sitting idle? 😁

Eric Grant3 said:Based on that bolded sentence right there. Unless... that's not actually how you feel? Looking back at your post history, it certainly seems like it is.
I'll leave some room for the possibility that I misread you, so I apologize if I did.

What's this "default" they have? Or is it the same "default" where he just sees me as a walking set of anatomy?

A rule? Honestly, I’d argue it’s the exact opposite. A woman who doesn't value herself lacks self-respect and thinks her looks are the only thing she has to attract or keep a guy—which means she's just attracting his physical desires.
But a woman who truly knows her worth understands she brings so much more to the table.
Now, the real question is... what does "knowing your worth" actually look like in practice?

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Eric Grant3 said:Based on that bolded sentence right there. Unless... that's not actually how you feel? Looking back at your post history, it certainly seems like it is.
I'll leave some room for the possibility that I misread you, so I apologize if I did.

What's this "default" they have? Or is it the same "default" where he just sees me as a walking set of anatomy?

A rule? Honestly, I’d argue it’s the exact opposite. A woman who doesn't value herself lacks self-respect and thinks her looks are the only thing she has to attract or keep a guy—which means she's just attracting his physical desires.
But a woman who truly knows her worth understands she brings so much more to the table.
Now, the real question is... what does "knowing your worth" actually look like in practice?

Personally, I’d say it means discovering your own talents and actually putting in the work to develop them.

Jeffrey Ramos4 said:Even when you start by lightly searing them over an open flame while they're shedding tears... that just adds that special flavor, like the icing on the cake.

Have you ever tried growing herbs or medicinal plants in pots during the winter? I’m talking about the ones that usually live out in the garden... 🙂

Honestly, I’ve got everything just wrapped up and ready to go. 😢

Mark Martin10 said:I'm trying to picture the scenario where a guy approaches a woman, they meet, and he goes: "I possess a depth of spirit as profound as my desires, along with a benevolence capable of rigorous firmness, which I switch between with ease. My views on women are purely traditional; I view them as a possession to be kept, a property to be locked away, destined for submission, through which perfection is achieved. Marry me."

(According to the internet, this is what Frederick would say)

I bet any woman would fall head over heels for a "sage" like that.

For sure. That’s why you have to be careful with lines like that, lest the poor girl gets a concussion from falling so hard. It's important that she lands safely and securely in a comfy armchair, definitely not on a barstool. And it’s probably a good idea to keep some smelling salts handy to bring her back to her senses before you lead her into the (Platonov) cave. 🧐

mistydrifter55 said:Morning. Well, obviously, if you stuff yourself with bananas for Vitamin B and walnuts for those healthy fats, your brain starts firing on all cylinders and you feel great.

Look, I'll give you the same advice: eat plenty of fresh fruit and veggies, live a clean lifestyle, ditch the stress, get enough sleep, breathe some fresh air, and you'll feel like a whole new person. 😉🤣

Have you ever thought about becoming a life coach? 😁

mistydrifter55 said:🤣

She thinks it did. But that was 30 or 40 years ago.

It was my brother we’re talking about. Looking back, I realize the issue went way deeper than anyone thought. 🤣
It’s not that she didn't find a solution—it's that she just buried him and herself under a mountain of mutual dependency, bad habits, and pure mental exhaustion.

A few years back, I stumbled upon some info online describing the exact symptoms my brother had.
Turns out, it looks like it was PANDAS syndrome. If the doctors had known back then, they could have cleared it up with a few rounds of antibiotics. Instead, they both ended up scarred for life.
He’s never quite been himself, and honestly, she’s even worse off. 🤣

I'm reading this closely. It sounds all too familiar. 🕺

mistydrifter55 said:People put their faith in charlatans, priests, and doctors, so why wouldn't they trust a "life coach"? 🍿

The bottom line is that when people face a crisis, they turn to whoever they feel can help, based on their own culture and inclinations.
Some head to a church, others see a psychiatrist, so it’s perfectly natural for someone to seek out a Taylor Swift type instead.

It's a case of "different strokes for different folks." Everyone thinks they're doing what's best for them, and honestly, there's nothing wrong with that.
But until they experience the fallout, they'll just flip the script—starting to throw shade and stones at everyone, whether it's a doctor, a priest, or a Taylor Swift.

A few decades ago, when my mother was going through a rough patch, she went to the one person she believed could actually fix things—a local superstition specialist. That was the way it was back then.
Even today, I see TV shows where people flock to all sorts of exorcists and whatnot.
Since being a "life coach" is the big trend now, some people have simply moved past old-school fortune tellers. They aren't looking for witches anymore; they're searching for hope and salvation in modern ways, following the crowd toward whatever popular Taylor Swifts are trending.

Did it actually work? 🍿

Let's not get carried away here. Look, she might be a tough woman, but deciding whether or not to take psychotropic meds is a deeply personal choice. It’s not like Taylor Swift is going around breaking into people's houses to steal antidepressants from their nightstands.

Jamie Adams6 said:Honestly, women are just as prone to objectifying people as men—it’s just that the social climate is different. Plus, you've got that massive army of activists and organizations constantly guarding this supposed beyondness when it comes to women, which makes getting an objective take on anything pretty much impossible. We end up in this loop where men are basically forced to apologize for things that apply equally to everyone. I mean, seriously—just Google "objectification" and look at the results; who is the focus? It's almost exclusively on men. Then you have those folks who swear women cheat less, are less violent, can't separate sex from emotion, or are just inherently "better"—this isn't even the first time we've seen this kind of thing.

Which actually makes sense if you think about it. The way men are perceived is mostly left to chance—people just interpret them however they want because most guys don't give a damn about how they're viewed. That's way easier than it is for women, who generally care a lot more about their image. So, out of all those women, it wouldn't be weird to find a huge crowd stuck deep in feminism, some who have basically earned PhDs in cherry-picking arguments, and others who just love playing the victim... basically, a whole bunch of people who would run out of ammunition if they admitted they aren't any better than the "male pigs" they're always dragging. At the end of the day, the whole thing is built on that specific beyondness (honestly, I can't think of a better word) compared to everyone else, not just men. And yeah, that's exactly where those myths come from.

btw, when I was a kid, I thought George Clooney and Brad Pitt were just the male versions of Paul Anderson, but they're actually legit actors—unlike her. You only realize that after watching a dozen of their movies; until then, based on covers or trailers, you might just think they're the world's hottest bachelors, mostly because women haven't seen anything else worth noting in them. But nobody talks about that! Generally speaking, if you look at the headlines and content in all those women's magazines, it's pure trash—and women are the ones working there. I don't recall seeing any waves of criticism against them or the various celebrity gossip shows women run, yet a man who sees a woman as just a pair of breasts and a vagina is going to get absolutely blasted, even by the very groups of women I mentioned earlier.

The entertainment industry basically survives by churning out sexualized caricatures. It offers men "perfect" bodies and women "ideal" partners. If you’re young enough or just incredibly naive, you might actually mistake this for reality. You could even end up obsessing over these celluloid fantasies—kind of like how Borat was obsessed with Pamela. 🤣Most people eventually figure out that the whole circus isn't all that deep. At the end of the day, even someone like Brad Pitt is just human—he’s still going to have his messy moments, and trust me, they don't exactly smell like roses.

Once you step out into the real world, there’s this unspoken expectation that you can actually tell the difference between reality and the fantasy fueled by sexualized imagery. When people treat those around them like nothing more than walking accessories—just vessels for breasts, butts, or bank accounts—they’re clearly missing something fundamental. It's hard to find any genuine connection when you view others that way, unless you happen to stumble upon someone who shares that exact same shallow worldview. That kind of mutual objectification might even lead to a "happy" ending of sorts: a house full of kids being raised by the very entertainment industry that created the mess in the first place, ensuring the cycle of mindless consumerism just keeps spinning indefinitely.

Look, nobody should have to apologize for what they’re attracted to, but you shouldn't complain if reality doesn't match the catalog version you ordered. It's even weirder when you actually *do* get exactly what you asked for—this hollow persona that's just a walking cliché of femininity. We're talking about a Barbie-type who does nothing but blink excessively, twirl a lock of hair around her finger, bite her lip, and flaunt her curves to signal she's ready to go 24/7. The real tragedy here isn't the attraction itself; it's that an intelligent human being would willingly turn themselves into such a caricature. To me, that kind of seduction isn't about objectifying men—it's about objectifying yourself.

You’d honestly make an incredible motivational speaker—if we were trying to talk people out of everything. 🎉

Rebecca Carter8 said:The fundamental hurdle a man has to clear if he wants to spark a woman's interest lies in accepting a harsh reality: she isn't interested in him as a person, but rather as an object of desire—a "thing" she chooses to tolerate within her life structure.

Men are conditioned to believe we shouldn't objectify women, but instead view them as complex individuals with feelings and unique interests, under the assumption that treating them this way will naturally trigger their attraction. In practice, this is quite difficult because many women lack depth beyond their physical appearance, which is often the only thing drawing men toward them in the first place. Consequently, it creates a false impression that any woman who attracts male attention is inherently superficial, if one is forced to operate at that level of nonverbal communication.
The dynamic works identically in reverse. By default, women aren't looking at men as people; rather, a man must actively cultivate that interest by presenting himself as someone valuable enough to be worth having in her life. However, the moment a man reveals his emotional side—especially when he demonstrates actual emotional needs—it shatters the illusion the woman has built around him, leading to a total loss of interest.
Therefore, for a man to successfully win a woman over, he must function as a subject of desire rather than a human being.

Are you referring specifically to physical looks—like facial features or body type—along with clothing and makeup, or are you talking about "flirtatious" body language?

Rebecca Carter8 said:The fundamental hurdle a man has to clear if he wants to spark a woman's interest lies in accepting a harsh reality: she isn't interested in him as a person, but rather as an object of desire—a "thing" she chooses to tolerate within her life structure.

Men are conditioned to believe we shouldn't objectify women, but instead view them as complex individuals with feelings and unique interests, under the assumption that treating them this way will naturally trigger their attraction. In practice, this is quite difficult because many women lack depth beyond their physical appearance, which is often the only thing drawing men toward them in the first place. Consequently, it creates a false impression that any woman who attracts male attention is inherently superficial, if one is forced to operate at that level of nonverbal communication.
The dynamic works identically in reverse. By default, women aren't looking at men as people; rather, a man must actively cultivate that interest by presenting himself as someone valuable enough to be worth having in her life. However, the moment a man reveals his emotional side—especially when he demonstrates actual emotional needs—it shatters the illusion the woman has built around him, leading to a total loss of interest.
Therefore, for a man to successfully win a woman over, he must function as a subject of desire rather than a human being.

A person is interesting if they actually *are* interesting; no amount of "presentation" is going to turn a lemon into lemonade. If someone is emotionally needy, intellectually dull, and spiritually shallow, they aren't going to have much luck with women. It really couldn't be simpler than that. Even if they manage to play a part for a little while, they shouldn't be surprised when women run the other way once they see who they're actually dealing with.

To put it simply: if all you want is a fling, you just need to be an object of desire, which isn't exactly a monumental task. But if you're looking for a real relationship, you need to be a well-rounded person, which is a much harder goal to achieve. Judging by your posts, you've got quite a bit of work ahead of you.

ironrider11 said:Nothing beats them straight out of the oven, served up with some baby potatoes and a fresh green salad.

I just hope you aren't eating any of that stuff contaminated with Botox. It's a bit risky, don't you think? 🕺

We’ve already given Taylor Swift a pretty thorough roasting over here. 🕺

Jeffrey Ramos4 said:Maybe, if work isn't strictly about survival, the solution is just to scale back what you want and expect from life. I get it, though... it's incredibly hard in this high-tech, hyper-advanced world where consumerism and materialism are shoved in our faces 24/7, at every corner, in every nook and cranny.

Even Maslow ended up tweaking his pyramid because he realized that treating self-actualization as the sole ultimate destination was a bit hollow. That's why he added transcendence at the very top.

True. I've met people who were naturally gifted in certain arts but lacked the drive or the guts to show it to the world. Then there are the talented ones who work their tails off but just can't catch a break. On the flip side, I know people with zero talent who have endless grit, but they managed to rub elbows with the right social circles, and suddenly they're being promoted by the elite and so on...

I’ve never quite been able to wrap my head around consumerism, even after digging through works by Chomsky and Naomi Klein. That way of existing just feels foreign to me. Still, I feel like I need to find some way to ramp up my drive for material things, because right now, my motivation is basically stuck at "barely surviving." And just when I finally manage to push myself toward that kind of ambition, something distracts me and I’m right back at square one, leaving my business plan unfinished. 🙂

Jeffrey Ramos4 said:Maybe, if work isn't strictly about survival, the solution is just to scale back what you want and expect from life. I get it, though... it's incredibly hard in this high-tech, hyper-advanced world where consumerism and materialism are shoved in our faces 24/7, at every corner, in every nook and cranny.

Even Maslow ended up tweaking his pyramid because he realized that treating self-actualization as the sole ultimate destination was a bit hollow. That's why he added transcendence at the very top.

True. I've met people who were naturally gifted in certain arts but lacked the drive or the guts to show it to the world. Then there are the talented ones who work their tails off but just can't catch a break. On the flip side, I know people with zero talent who have endless grit, but they managed to rub elbows with the right social circles, and suddenly they're being promoted by the elite and so on...

Yeah, though even the concept of the pyramid itself is debatable. Just reading the description of the second level gives me a slight sense of panic, whereas this higher stuff seems to work perfectly fine for me. 🤔

Jeffrey Ramos4 said:Maybe, if work isn't strictly about survival, the solution is just to scale back what you want and expect from life. I get it, though... it's incredibly hard in this high-tech, hyper-advanced world where consumerism and materialism are shoved in our faces 24/7, at every corner, in every nook and cranny.

Even Maslow ended up tweaking his pyramid because he realized that treating self-actualization as the sole ultimate destination was a bit hollow. That's why he added transcendence at the very top.

True. I've met people who were naturally gifted in certain arts but lacked the drive or the guts to show it to the world. Then there are the talented ones who work their tails off but just can't catch a break. On the flip side, I know people with zero talent who have endless grit, but they managed to rub elbows with the right social circles, and suddenly they're being promoted by the elite and so on...

While I was moving in those circles, I ran into this one completely untalented hack. But the guy worked incredibly hard to worm his way into every social circle possible, and because of that, he actually picked up several awards for his work. He once started listing all these accolades to me, and I just rolled my eyes and said, "Well, it's not exactly a sprint." His response? "No, it really is a sprint." 🤦

What’s even more ridiculous is that it was an art form that was financially terrible; you basically had to jump through every humiliating hoop just to reach a point where you could barely make a living from it. For me, it was just a hobby and a nice way to socialize, so I couldn't fathom how anyone would be motivated by nothing but blind ambition or that desperate craving for recognition. After seeing a few similar situations play out, I decided to get out of that crowd. Running for the exits, of course.😁

I happened to stumble upon them on Facebook the other day. Some antitalent made such a massive blunder that they were permanently kicked out of the circle, but the thick-skinned guy just keeps on going regardless. Honestly, seeing that makes me appreciate those corporate mission and vision statements even more. 😁

Rachel Richardson said:👍

I never stated that people are incomplete without children. 😬
I simply meant that it is one possible way to find purpose (though certainly not the only way). 😁 😉
Raising a child is something that can bring immense joy.

@Joseph Bailey41, the larger the corporation, the more sociopaths you'll find lurking in the halls, unfortunately. 😁

It’s not about how many of them there are; it’s about how fast they climb the corporate ladder. 😁

There's actually a certain charm to working at a tiny two-person startup, too. Usually, the boss is a prime specimen of the common bottom-feeder species, and the company suddenly becomes "family" when it's time to grind through overtime, but never when it's time to split the loot. ☕

Jesse Barnes69 said:Being a freelancer or holding a high-level position gives you the freedom to set your own schedule, which sounds a lot better than the standard 8-hour grind. But there are traps. An 8-hour job guarantees a paycheck whether you're healthy or sick, and if a company folds, you just find another one. When you're your own boss, that "flexible time" quickly disappears into endless meetings, chasing unpaid invoices, and hunting down new clients. You end up with very little actual work time left, unless you start paying someone else to handle the tasks you actually signed up for. Mastering all of that is a real skill.

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Exactly. And with certain freelance gigs, you don't even build up seniority or benefits, your credit score can take a massive hit when you try to deal with banks, and getting people to actually pay you is a whole different nightmare. From a purely financial standpoint, the sweet spot is having a low-stress full-time job while picking up side projects on the side. The problem is, doing both is exhausting. It’s almost impossible to maintain that pace long-term without burning out or risking your health. 😁

Jesse Barnes69 said:I agree, and I'd add that in certain fields—especially the so-called "creative" ones—this mindset is treated like a taboo. You're labeled untalented or a failure if you aren't constantly performing some act of genius. Nobody wants to admit that in creative roles, maybe 10% of the work is actually pure creativity. The rest is just grinding through admin and managing finances.

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Exactly. 👍

And you can't forget the constant headache of dealing with all those pseudo-intellectual types in those environments. Honestly, I’d much rather be filing tax returns. 😁

hiddeneagle98 said:I honestly don't see what the big deal is here. If you ask me, that’s just sound reasoning.

Sooner or later, you eventually hit this realization that all that relentless ambition? Most of the time, you’re just building someone else’s empire instead of your own. You sit there thinking your talents and skills are your own, but they end up serving everyone around you except yourself. It’s exhausting. It’s like being a disposable battery—you pour everything you have into a device, draining yourself dry just to power up someone else's life, while your own clock is ticking away. Think about it: isn't the whole point of living to actually use your time for something meaningful? If you spend your entire existence just auctioning off your abilities to the highest bidder, you aren't living a life; you’re just a high-end laborer in a gilded cage. That’s nothing more than a sophisticated form of servitude. You're essentially living an empty life to facilitate the success of another person. And even if you actually do manage to find a way to monetize what you're good at, there’s a trap waiting right there, too. Once you start seeing those quick wins—where you can pull in more money with half the effort compared to the guy next to you—it starts messing with your head. Your ego begins to swell, you start getting cocky, and before you know it, you're making all sorts of reckless, self-destructive decisions because you think you've finally beaten the system. It's a lose-lose situation if you aren't careful.

What does it even mean to be "well-known in your field"? Is that supposed to be a goal? Like, when you walk down the street, do you want to feel everyone—from total strangers to old colleagues and acquaintances—looking at you with this sense of respect? Honestly, that whole idea has always made me feel incredibly awkward. It’s uncomfortable. If I’m being real, if I let out a loud fart while everyone is staring at me in reverence, the whole illusion falls apart immediately. I don't see how that's a legitimate objective. To me, recognition should only ever be collateral damage. You focus on doing what you love, you lean into your talent, and you work with actual passion. If people notice you because you're genuinely good at what you do, fine—that's just a byproduct. But suddenly having to play a part or put on some kind of persona just because you've become "somebody" is exhausting. You shouldn't have to act like a certain version of yourself just to satisfy an audience when all you really want is to just exist and do your work.

I think it's that blue section on the diagram. It's essentially about the need for respect. If you already have enough self-esteem, you don't need to go hunting for validation from others, which lets you focus entirely on self-actualization. Of course, that assumes your paycheck is high enough to cover those first two levels of Maslow's hierarchy—your basic physiological needs and your sense of security.

casualcanyon3 said:It’s nothing more than corporate propaganda designed to sell you on the illusion of self-actualization through their brands and the curated lifestyles of their mindless little corporate drones.

So, I really can't recommend anything to the author other than practicing some serious Stoicism—essentially learning to view work as nothing more than a transaction to bring home a paycheck.

And then what happens when, after ten or twenty years of living that way, you look back and realize your mental and physical health has been irrevocably shattered? What then?

Over the last six months, I’ve brought in a decent amount of money, but at the cost of my heart skipping beats all day long because of the sheer volume of stress I've endured. There is absolutely no universe in which I would accept that, nor would I ever settle for some tedious, repetitive grind that makes me lose my mind. Not a chance. Spending your entire life doing something you dislike—or even outright loathe—with more than half your waking hours vanishing into it, year after year, decade after decade... No freakin' way. If you have to deal with it right now just to survive, fine, but you should never, ever mistake that temporary struggle for your permanent reality.

My corporation is just so incredibly thoughtful that they actually care about the digestive health of their employees. Seriously, they’ve gone and plastered our mission statement and corporate vision right inside the bathroom stalls. Honestly, who wouldn't want to be inspired while they're sitting there? ☕

casualcanyon3 said:It’s nothing more than corporate propaganda designed to sell you on the illusion of self-actualization through their brands and the curated lifestyles of their mindless little corporate drones.

So, I really can't recommend anything to the author other than practicing some serious Stoicism—essentially learning to view work as nothing more than a transaction to bring home a paycheck.

And then what happens when, after ten or twenty years of living that way, you look back and realize your mental and physical health has been irrevocably shattered? What then?

Over the last six months, I’ve brought in a decent amount of money, but at the cost of my heart skipping beats all day long because of the sheer volume of stress I've endured. There is absolutely no universe in which I would accept that, nor would I ever settle for some tedious, repetitive grind that makes me lose my mind. Not a chance. Spending your entire life doing something you dislike—or even outright loathe—with more than half your waking hours vanishing into it, year after year, decade after decade... No freakin' way. If you have to deal with it right now just to survive, fine, but you should never, ever mistake that temporary struggle for your permanent reality.

I've already taken a look at this (and honestly, a bit angrily), and I've come to the conclusion that health damage isn't necessarily permanent.😁

casualcanyon3 said:It’s nothing more than corporate propaganda designed to sell you on the illusion of self-actualization through their brands and the curated lifestyles of their mindless little corporate drones.

So, I really can't recommend anything to the author other than practicing some serious Stoicism—essentially learning to view work as nothing more than a transaction to bring home a paycheck.

And then what happens when, after ten or twenty years of living that way, you look back and realize your mental and physical health has been irrevocably shattered? What then?

Over the last six months, I’ve brought in a decent amount of money, but at the cost of my heart skipping beats all day long because of the sheer volume of stress I've endured. There is absolutely no universe in which I would accept that, nor would I ever settle for some tedious, repetitive grind that makes me lose my mind. Not a chance. Spending your entire life doing something you dislike—or even outright loathe—with more than half your waking hours vanishing into it, year after year, decade after decade... No freakin' way. If you have to deal with it right now just to survive, fine, but you should never, ever mistake that temporary struggle for your permanent reality.

Unless you’re juggling kids, a massive mortgage, or caring for a sick family member, there really isn’t any reason to put up with a job that just stresses you out or bores you to tears. It defeats the whole purpose of working, which is to make enough money to actually enjoy your life. Unfortunately, we can't exactly skip the middleman—the paycheck—but people still try to find ways to bypass it using all sorts of mental gymnastics, trying to create this direct link between their labor and immediate gratification. Capitalism is happy to help with that, too. It pushes this propaganda designed to turn employees into compliant drones who won't ask for more money because they're too distracted by "perks." We're talking team-building retreats, free gym memberships, routine wellness checks, office Wi-Fi, or some cheesy holiday sweater. My own corporation has dumped a fortune into all those little extras, yet when I actually asked for a raise—which I’ve done several times now—they treated it like an unreasonable expense. So, right now, the only math that makes sense for me is to work less. I’ve started finding little ways to shorten my time at the desk and minimize my actual workload, all while staying just within the lines so I don't get fired without severance. Honestly, my only source of satisfaction lately comes from these little strategic games—and the rapid increase in how many Reddit posts I can squeeze in during office hours. 😍

Laura Castillo6 said:Look, sure, someone might actually love what they do. But at that point, it isn't really a "job" anymore—it's more like a passion project where the money just happens to be a nice bonus.

On the flip side, you can just decide to do everything you do with integrity and a good attitude. That’s just having a healthy mindset.

The absolute worst scenario is grinding away at something you genuinely hate. Unfortunately, that’s where most mediocre people end up stuck.

As for the original poster, here’s my take. I actually lost all my drive right when I started dealing with health issues. It felt like this deep depression or just a total loss of will. But life keeps moving regardless, and things change. Even when you feel like you have zero ambition left, you still have to show up and do *something*. There was a period where I was just doing the bare minimum—stuff so basic that most people would be shocked to even call it "work." But looking back, those quiet periods actually helped me reset. They gave me the space to set new goals, pivot my career, and find a fresh sense of purpose. Usually, it takes some heavy hitting—real setbacks or negative life events—to finally shift someone's perspective and force that growth.

Pure capitalist propaganda. ☕

Laura Castillo6 said:Look, sure, someone might actually love what they do. But at that point, it isn't really a "job" anymore—it's more like a passion project where the money just happens to be a nice bonus.

On the flip side, you can just decide to do everything you do with integrity and a good attitude. That’s just having a healthy mindset.

The absolute worst scenario is grinding away at something you genuinely hate. Unfortunately, that’s where most mediocre people end up stuck.

As for the original poster, here’s my take. I actually lost all my drive right when I started dealing with health issues. It felt like this deep depression or just a total loss of will. But life keeps moving regardless, and things change. Even when you feel like you have zero ambition left, you still have to show up and do *something*. There was a period where I was just doing the bare minimum—stuff so basic that most people would be shocked to even call it "work." But looking back, those quiet periods actually helped me reset. They gave me the space to set new goals, pivot my career, and find a fresh sense of purpose. Usually, it takes some heavy hitting—real setbacks or negative life events—to finally shift someone's perspective and force that growth.

I had a similar experience, though my loss of ambition, combined with lethargy and depression, was just brushed off as an "adolescent crisis" since I was only 16. Because of that, I didn't view it as an actual illness, just a passing rough patch. I went to the college I wanted, realized toward the end that there wasn't much of a future there, changed directions a few times, and so on. The whole concept of a "career" feels alien to me. Even though my resume looks pretty solid, I feel this deep-seated disdain for the corporate world—not just from my own life, but from what I've seen others go through. All those attempts at the famous turn on, tune in, drop out approach usually fail miserably because, let's face it, a person needs food and shelter before they can even begin to contemplate abstract concepts like "willpower" or "ambition."

So, I honestly can't recommend anything to the author except practicing a bit of Stoicism—basically accepting that a job is just something you do to bring home a paycheck. This whole search for lost ambition through career changes, finding cool hobbies, starting a family, or other external markers of success is really just a way of delaying the inevitable: facing the fact that it's all somewhat meaningless. But hey, we have to live, and we have to eat. At least for another few decades. 😁