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Brandon Wright54 said:Exactly. What does "normal" even mean? It’s just acting in alignment with a set of arbitrary rules we don't actually understand—we just submit to them because why not. All these models defining what’s normal versus what’s abnormal—the way Lacan puts it—are just constructs of language, not some inherent part of who we are. So you end up with some idiot who can't even wipe his own nose properly, yet because he knows how to perform his gendered role perfectly, he gets labeled as totally normal.
That’s exactly why I dove into this field in the first place. Even as a kid, I could see through the whole charade of authority—that hollow sense of legitimacy they peddle. We're all vulnerable to that kind of influence, mostly because the system isn't just some external force; it's baked right into us. At the end of the day, it's a question of the psychological subject.
I'm not sure where I stand on this, but honestly—that’s the whole charm of it 🙂. Nobody should be certain. Sure, some frameworks exist, but that’s why postmodernism is actually useful—it’s basically just finding new ways to read what’s already been written. It’s like how you’re never a finished product as a person; you’re constantly shifting, and that’s the entire point. This process of identity is never "done." You move from one position to another, which gives you the flexibility to pivot. Take someone who stubbornly clings to a single perspective—try convincing them otherwise. They won't budge, and they’ll probably just double down with those massive defense mechanisms to protect their ego. It's pure fear of losing ground. I don't know how much you follow the art scene (I work within those circles myself), but take Cindy Sherman, for example. She captures this perfectly. By masking herself in countless different female personas, she highlights that total fluidity of identity.
Thanks for the book offer, 🙂. I’d recommend checking out Lacan’s Writings; I borrowed a copy from the university library, so they should definitely have it in stock. It’s well-written, and I'm sure we'll have plenty to argue about once you dive in. 🙂
:respect: 🙂 Whatever. I’m going back to my books, trying not to let any of this weigh me down 😁 "For pure will, unweakened by purpose, freed from the craving for results, every path is perfect" 😁 (from The Book of Law)
Brandon Wright54 said:Honestly, it’s a relief to stumble upon someone else who actually gives a damn about this stuff. 🙂I haven't gotten around to that book you mentioned yet—it's still sitting on my nightstand. Let me know if it's actually worth the time once you finish it.
When it comes to the whole heterosexual framework, Simone de Beauvoir is my go-to—you probably know her for that line about how a woman isn't born, she becomes one. Give her some reading time; you'll find it pretty gripping.
When it comes to *jouissance*, I think we’re all carrying it around inside us—it's that core fracture where a subject actually begins to define itself. That split is essentially the Oedipus complex, our very first point of identification. It proves that sexuality isn't some pre-set, fixed blueprint; the whole idea of a "heterosexual matrix" is far from destiny. In reality, gender and orientation are shaped by the choices we make during that initial process of identification.
Regarding that idea about Jouissance helping maintain a subject's psychic balance—I’ve always viewed it through the lens of how symptoms actually function. You know Lacan’s whole "enjoy your symptom" bit? I think that's the core of it. A subject uses their symptom to hold their ground within the symbolic order. As much as those symptoms are a total nightmare to live through, they’re—in a weird way—absolutely necessary.
That whole approach basically lays out the groundwork for tearing down that patriarchal system. It’s why the role of the hysterical subject—and other marginalized groups, mostly women—is so vital. These subjects aren't willing to just act as a mouthpiece for symbolic authority. Look at all the idiots you see strutting around with their fancy titles, luxury SUVs, or whatever status symbols they use to flex power and suppress others—once you strip away those props, what’s actually left of them? Nothing. It’s the same deal when you expose the phallus. *Jouissance* exposes the lie of fixed subject positions because we always end up circling back to that primal desire buried in the unconscious—the one that can never truly be satisfied. According to Lacan, anything that slips through the cracks of symbolization becomes that traumatic "Real." That's essentially the hysterical position. But it isn't absolute; hysterics still exist within the symbolic order, which gives them a way to resist the demands of the Other. Psychosis, on the other hand, is a total break from that order entirely. In Lacanian terms, the symbolic order is already established, and we emerge through it—not the other way around. The structure is just a single signifier stepping in to take the subject's place in service of the Other. I find Luce Irigaray’s argument about creating a female symbolic representation a bit fuzzy—I’m more drawn to the potential of the hysterical position. To me, it feels like it actually breaks that binary setup—male vs. female, culture vs. nature, day vs. night...
Honestly, I’ve never been a fan of the term "feminism." It feels too restrictive, like it's trying to box everyone into a specific group again—even if you could technically categorize these theories under a post-feminist umbrella.
"Enjoy your symptom"—god, that sounds beautiful 😁 when you consider the sheer pressure to conform to some standard of "normalcy." I mean, how much does it actually matter to a person when they finally manage to accept themselves as they are (even if they have to deal with the fallout later)? That first step alone is everything. There’s also that saying: "Resistance is what burns you out, not the feelings" 😁 (I can't even remember who said that 🙂)
Alright, I'll dive into Beauvoir and Irigaray, but I need to brush up on Lacan first. I really need to wrap my head around what you mean by the "hysterical position" and "the Other" (maybe I'll post my thoughts here; someone might find it useful). Anyway, it's great to have such a sharp conversationalist to talk to—especially one willing to explain things to me.🙂
As for those symbolic authorities you're bringing up, I saw right through them ages ago. Honestly, you don't even need to be an expert on Lacan to grasp that part of the game 🙂
But there’s something else that’s been bugging me lately... specifically what you wrote here:
It feels a bit fuzzy to me when Luce Irigaray argues for the creation of a female symbolic representation. I find the potential of the subject's hysterical position more compelling, mostly because it seems to shatter that whole binary setup—male vs. female, culture vs. nature, day vs. night...
How can you ever really feel certain about your own stance? It drives me crazy how everything is pathologized these days. You explain the causes behind something, thinking you've nailed the theory, only for someone else to swoop in with a "better" framework and crown themselves the new ultimate authority. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about you personally, just this general phenomenon where new theories pop up constantly and it never ends... or will it? Maybe by 2012? 😂 Just kidding, obviously...
And I should probably mention, there are definitely better books out there than the one I'm currently stuck with. I have this annoying compulsion to finish every book I start, god help me 🙂, but if you want, I can email it to you—just shoot me a DM. At first glance, it's written for beginners like me, but it leaves so much unsaid. Maybe experts can squeeze more meaning out of it, who knows...
I’m actually pretty deep into all this gender theory stuff myself, which is why I feel like I need to grind through Lacan before I can even tackle feminism properly. Thanks for posting about this, 🙂 I was just talking to my boyfriend yesterday about how much of feminist theory was basically forged in direct conflict with Lacan—it’s a fascinating lineage to trace. Right now, I’m wading through Romulo Lander’s *Subjective Experience and the Logic of The Other*, and he treats the bisexual position as something pathological. But why? Why should it be? Why can't it just be another variation of sexuality? And honestly, what does "pathological" even mean in a modern context? Is it just the sheer amount of pain the subject feels? Or just deviating too far from some arbitrary social norm? To be blunt, the book isn't great. There are much better texts out there. I’m itching to get to some more contemporary authors; even though this was published in 2006, it clings to Lacan so heavily—and not even particularly successfully, if you ask me—that it feels like a relic from the sixties.
Regarding the distinction between masochism and jouissance, I tried translating a section from that book that tackles the difference... But honestly, you can boil what’s written down to this: masochism is driven by an underlying sense of guilt. Masochistic behavior acts as a sort of remedy for that guilt, allowing the individual to experience sexual pleasure despite the internal friction caused by feeling guilty. In the case of jouissance, however, you can't simply use analysis to pin down whether guilt exists in the unconscious. At the end of the process, the person just learns to live with it (unlike that manageable sense of guilt, where one might break free from masochistic compulsions) and functions better on various levels. Jouissance is baked into the personality structure; it’s constant, and its job is to maintain psychic equilibrium. (I don't quite grasp the "how" or "why" yet—autoicon, any thoughts on the autoicon?)
It sounds incredibly bleak, suggesting that *everyone* is burdened by this cursed jouissance, that it’s just part of being human. But when you look at the people around you—and even look inward—it seems like an inescapable reality...
And just to add a bit more on the split between pleasure and jouissance... Pleasure reduces tension and drains energy from the system, whereas jouissance builds it up. Pleasure is fleeting; it happens and then it’s gone. Jouissance, on the other hand, is always there.
autoicon, you say:
Take theorist Luce Irigaray, for example. She argues that all these theories are merely products of the patriarchal system and claims we need to construct a symbolic representation for women. Personally, I disagree with her. I’d argue it’s impossible to "construct" symbolization; rather, symbolization is what constructs us. Such a "liberation" would essentially be a psychotic break from the symbolic order.
Wait, how is it that we can't build symbolization? Aren't we building it constantly? I mean, aren't revolutions just instances of that fundamental process happening at high speed? And what exactly makes that "psychotic"?
Thanks a ton! I'll give it some thought. 🙂
Here’s a little something from Žižek regarding the *objet petit a*:
Quote : Homologous to The Lacanian proposition "Woman does not exist," we...
Maybe we should just come out and say it: Nature doesn't actually exist. Not in the way we think it does.
A steady, rhythmic loop—perfectly balanced—suddenly derailed by the sheer weight of human interference.
Pure inadvertence. The very notion of man as an excess relative to...
We have to face it: the idea of nature’s perfectly balanced circuit is officially dead. We can no longer cling to that comforting image of...
The idea of nature functioning as some perfectly balanced circuit? It’s a total illusion—nothing more than a retroactive projection we slap onto reality after the fact.
The very notion of man as an... Herein Lies The lesson of recent theories of chaos: "nature."
It’s already inherently turbulent, fundamentally off-balance; its "rule" isn't some stable structure.
It’s essentially a well-balanced oscillation revolving around some fixed point of attraction.
But we’re talking about a chaotic dispersion—one that still stays within the boundaries defined by the theory of chaos itself.
He calls it the "strange attractor"—that weird little spark of order that actually dictates the flow of chaos itself.
One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate...
One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate, impenetrable web.
It turns out that even the simplest causes can trigger what we call "chaotic" behavior. One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate...
The theory of chaos thus subverts The Basic "intuition" found in classical physics.
It seems we’re circling back to the idea that any process, if left entirely to its own devices, naturally drifts toward a certain kind of... what? Stagnation? Entropy? Or perhaps just a predictable pattern. It’s that sense of inevitability that always feels a bit heavy, isn't it? Like watching a slow slide toward a predetermined end.
...of natural equilibrium—whether that’s a state of rest or just a predictable, rhythmic motion. The...
The truly revolutionary core of this whole theory is distilled right into that one term: "strange."
"is not The Freudian thing a kind of 'fatal attractor.'" It’s entirely possible for a system to exhibit what we call "chaotic" behavior...
It happens in an irregular way—you move forward, and there's simply no turning back to how things were. You can't revert to a previous state and still truly *be*.
It’s actually capable of being formalized through an "attractor" that exerts regulation.
It’s an attractor that behaves in a "strange" way—meaning it doesn't just settle into some predictable shape, but rather...
It’s less about a single point within a symmetrical figure—it's more about those endlessly intertwined patterns that just refuse to settle.
Serpentine lines tracing the edges of a clearly defined shape, an...
Anamorphotically disfigured circles, some sort of "butterfly"... you know the drill.
One is almost tempted to go as far as risking a homology between the tension between...
A "normal" attractor—think of it as a state of equilibrium or a steady, predictable oscillation.
(the direction toward which a disturbed system is expected to drift) and a "strange"
Is not The Freudian thing a kind of " fatal attractor, and what happens when we look at the tension between that pull and the stability we think we’re moving toward?
The pleasure principle is constantly striving, always pushing, yet it’s ultimately chasing after that elusive Freudian Thing—that core embodiment of pure enjoyment.
is not The Freudian thing a kind of " fatal attractor, unsettling the very foundation of our psychic stability?
The regular operation of the psychic apparatus—it’s all about preventing it from...
Are we really talking about establishing some kind of equilibrium? Because if so, isn't the very form of the "strange" attractor exactly what we should be looking at instead?
Is the concept of an "attractor" just a physical metaphor for the Lacanian *objet petit a*?
WE find here another confirmation of Jacques-Alain Miller's thesis.
That object *a*? It’s nothing more than a pure form—specifically, it functions as the structural blueprint of an attractor.
The art of the theory of chaos consists in allowing US to see The very form of chaos.
The art of The theory of chaos consists in allowing US to see The very form of chaos...
The art of The theory of chaos consists in allowing US to see The very form of chaos—revealing a hidden pattern in what most people would just dismiss as total, senseless noise.
Pure, formless disorder.
The classic tug-of-war between "order" and "chaos" is essentially a false dichotomy. We tend to view them as polar opposites, but that’s where we miss the mark entirely. One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate patternlessness; rather, it's more about how the structure itself functions. In fact, The theory of chaos thus subverts The Basic assumption that stability requires rigid control. It turns out that what looks like total disorder is often just a deeper, more complex type of organization.
Suspended: what looks like pure, unadulterated chaos—from the...
The erratic swings of the New York Stock Exchange and the sudden, violent surges of an epidemic—they share a deeper, more unsettling rhythm than most people care to admit. It’s all about those unpredictable fluctuations, isn't it? You look at the market crashing one day and then rebounding the next, or you watch a virus spread through a major US city with terrifying speed, and you start to see the pattern. It’s not just random noise. There’s a structural logic to the chaos, a certain way the system breaks and reforms itself. Honestly, it's enough to make anyone feel a little exhausted by the sheer instability of it all.
The way whirlpools form in the Mississippi, or even just the way branches spread out on a tree—there’s something there. It isn't just random noise. One of The achievements of The theory of chaos is The demonstration that chaos does not necessarily imply an intricate mess; instead, there is a structural logic at play. The theory of chaos thus subverts The Basic assumptions we hold about order and randomness. It’s almost like looking at a pattern and realizing the pattern itself is the point.
A tree follows its own internal logic; chaos isn't just random noise, it’s governed by what we call an "attractor."
The point isn't about trying to "detect order behind chaos." That’s not the goal at all. It’s about detecting the...
The art of The theory of chaos consists in allowing US to see The very form of chaos—that specific, jagged pattern found within its own irregular dispersion.
There’s this growing pushback against what people call "traditional" science—this movement rooted in the idea that... well, you know. It’s a rejection of the standard model, fueled by a certain skepticism toward established empirical methods. But honestly? It feels less like a pursuit of truth and more like a desperate attempt to find order where none exists.
...of some sort of universal law—you know, that predictable, steady link between cause and effect we all like to believe in.
These theories essentially serve as rough sketches—first drafts, if you will—for what might eventually become a true "science of the real."
It’s essentially about a science that maps out the very rules used to produce contingency—that unpredictable *tuché* moment.
It isn't about some symbolic automaton. You won't find the actual
obfuscating nonsense found in those "synthesis" essays trying to bridge particle physics with
Eastern mysticism—those attempts to claim a new holistic, organic
framework will somehow replace the old "mechanistic" worldview. That’s not where the action is. The
true "paradigm shift" in modern science lies elsewhere.
Even if he wasn't quite that popular, when he speaks like 😁
Anyway, I'm going to try and dig up something on the distinction between masochism and jouissance. It seems like everyone's first instinct is to jump to masochism, and honestly, it might be useful to look at things from that angle—learning through comparison...
@mistyscout2: A Freudian would tell you—it doesn't matter what form the error takes 😉 Of course, you don't have to write down your final conclusions; just think about it 🙂
mistyscout2 said:There are tons of pages from his seminars out there; I haven't read them all, but I've dipped my toes in a bit 🙂. He didn't really write much himself; most of his seminars were actually edited together by his students and listeners. Most notably by Jacques-Alain Miller, who was essentially his "son-in-law." I've read (among other things) his analysis of Hamlet—which is probably the closest thing I've found in Lacan that could be linked to anything "occult," purely because of the symbolism regarding mandrakes and such. It’s interesting, though if I'm being honest, it feels a little factually off at times... Actually, I'm not entirely sure since it's such an obscure detail... But I did notice him make one factual error. Anyway, doesn't matter...
That old one about language? Yeah, totally. Even the more recent stuff about triple ontologies is decent. Honestly, I agree with you—that's been the vibe on the philosophy PDF forums for quite a while now—but why not shake things up with a constructive post of your own? Whoever you are (and if you've been around for a while, which you probably have given how you talk), just go over there and write something good. Unless, of course, you've given up on it, in which case I respect the decision.
Glad you like it! It comes from one of Žižek's books where he mentions Virgil and his "mover the Acheron"—to stir or move the underworld. Then Slavoj writes that it means to "dare to touch the underworld of that which is not spoken of, yet moves our lives." In the context of what he wrote before 🙂But yeah, that's pretty much it.
hmm, does he touch on religion?
mistyscout2 said:There are tons of pages from his seminars out there; I haven't read them all, but I've dipped my toes in a bit 🙂. He didn't really write much himself; most of his seminars were actually edited together by his students and listeners. Most notably by Jacques-Alain Miller, who was essentially his "son-in-law." I've read (among other things) his analysis of Hamlet—which is probably the closest thing I've found in Lacan that could be linked to anything "occult," purely because of the symbolism regarding mandrakes and such. It’s interesting, though if I'm being honest, it feels a little factually off at times... Actually, I'm not entirely sure since it's such an obscure detail... But I did notice him make one factual error. Anyway, doesn't matter...
That old one about language? Yeah, totally. Even the more recent stuff about triple ontologies is decent. Honestly, I agree with you—that's been the vibe on the philosophy PDF forums for quite a while now—but why not shake things up with a constructive post of your own? Whoever you are (and if you've been around for a while, which you probably have given how you talk), just go over there and write something good. Unless, of course, you've given up on it, in which case I respect the decision.
Glad you like it! It comes from one of Žižek's books where he mentions Virgil and his "mover the Acheron"—to stir or move the underworld. Then Slavoj writes that it means to "dare to touch the underworld of that which is not spoken of, yet moves our lives." In the context of what he wrote before 🙂But yeah, that's pretty much it.
now you've performed a Freudian slip, think about it 🙂 (philosophy forums instead of psychology)
And yeah, I have no desire to correct the wrong Mississippi rivers of these forums, and frankly, I don't have the time..
mistyscout2 said:There are tons of pages from his seminars out there; I haven't read them all, but I've dipped my toes in a bit 🙂. He didn't really write much himself; most of his seminars were actually edited together by his students and listeners. Most notably by Jacques-Alain Miller, who was essentially his "son-in-law." I've read (among other things) his analysis of Hamlet—which is probably the closest thing I've found in Lacan that could be linked to anything "occult," purely because of the symbolism regarding mandrakes and such. It’s interesting, though if I'm being honest, it feels a little factually off at times... Actually, I'm not entirely sure since it's such an obscure detail... But I did notice him make one factual error. Anyway, doesn't matter...
That old one about language? Yeah, totally. Even the more recent stuff about triple ontologies is decent. Honestly, I agree with you—that's been the vibe on the philosophy PDF forums for quite a while now—but why not shake things up with a constructive post of your own? Whoever you are (and if you've been around for a while, which you probably have given how you talk), just go over there and write something good. Unless, of course, you've given up on it, in which case I respect the decision.
Glad you like it! It comes from one of Žižek's books where he mentions Virgil and his "mover the Acheron"—to stir or move the underworld. Then Slavoj writes that it means to "dare to touch the underworld of that which is not spoken of, yet moves our lives." In the context of what he wrote before 🙂But yeah, that's pretty much it.
let's be realistic and demand the impossible 😉
Thanks for getting back to me! I’ve already worked my way through Jung, but I haven't touched Eliade yet—definitely adding his books to my reading list. As for Lacan, I know he didn't dive into the occult, but surely he had some sort of take on it? It’s hard to imagine he stayed silent, considering those traditions basically paved the way for what we call psychology today. It would be fascinating to try and map out various phenomena using his terminology, assuming that's even possible.
Also, I tried searching for "Lacan" in the archives, but besides that one thread about language, there isn't much. On the other hand, this psychology PDF section has basically turned into a collection of "dear diary" advice columns. 😢 I don't have anything against that, per se, but a bit of actual, heavy-duty theoretical discussion would be a welcome change.
ps: I dig your signature. 🙂
Thanks for catching that; I was rushing through the translation... A classic Freudian slip, now that I think about it. 😁
Anyway, Lacan is fascinating. I’ll try to tackle some more foundational Lacanian concepts so we can actually dive into this—it seems like everyone on this forum loves a good philosophical debate. 😛 There's something gripping about looking at the psyche through his lens, trying to decode the flow of thought and consciousness... It honestly makes me want to dig around online and see what Lacan and the other psychoanalysts had to say about occult themes (if you have any recommendations, drop them here or just shoot me a DM). I'll probably start by revisiting some Regardie...
Here’s a little something pulled from Lacan for beginners:
Back in the sixties, Lacan was obsessed with pinning down this concept he called Jouissance. It’s funny, really—the word itself actually belongs to the English literary tradition, popping up in works like Edmund Spenser’s *The Faerie Queene* and various other sixteenth-century texts. Most people just translate it as "enjoyment," which is a bit of a stretch. In Lacanian terms, it’s more about that tipping point where something becomes too much for the organism to actually handle. Too much stimulation, too much excitement, or even just a certain kind of stagnant, heavy emptiness. Most of the time, Jouissance feels like nothing short of unbearable suffering. But here’s the kicker, the part that really gets under your skin: what we experience as agonizing pain, our unconscious perceives as pure satisfaction. That’s The Real. In a Lacanian sense, it exists entirely outside of symbolism and meaning—this constant, recurring force that just keeps coming back to haunt us, bringing that same old suffering right to our doorstep.
Repetition. Again.
Back in his early twenties, Freud and those first few followers realized something crucial: you can't just reduce the entire psyche to linguistic formulas and unconscious mechanisms. Sure, someone could deliver a brilliant interpretation of a symptom, but that didn’t magically make the damn thing vanish. Freud eventually hit on this idea of a silent force within the psyche—something that drives self-destruction and triggers that conscious pain we all know too well. He tied this directly to compulsive behavior, that desperate need to repeat certain patterns over and over. At the end of the day, the reality is that people keep making the same mistakes. They make the same terrible decisions throughout their lives—decisions that lead straight to regret and misery. Most people don't learn from their past errors, mostly because, strangely enough, there's a vested interest in their own suffering. That’s where Jouissance comes in. It is the true enemy in psychoanalytic practice, and Lacan tried to unpack it through several different lenses. Because of this, the field of psychoanalysis can never be strictly about language. "The Real" has become the focal point, manifesting as Jouissance in the sense that it exists entirely outside of meaning and signification. This unpredictable, dangerous, and heterogeneous presence of Jouissance proves that Lacan’s work—as it often does—cannot be simplified into just an emphasis on the importance of language. Now, the tension between language and Jouissance has become the primary battlefield for research.
While it might seem more subtle when we're dealing with neurosis, *jouissance* really takes center stage in psychosis. It manifests physically in the schizophrenic body or erupts through those frantic, persecutory delusions in paranoia—always tethered to something external, like the mindless hum of a TV, the watchful eye of the CIA, or even just the nosy neighbors next door.
The regulation of Jouissance. It’s a messy, exhausting business, isn't it? Trying to put a leash on that primal, overwhelming excess... it feels like trying to catch smoke with your bare hands. We spend our entire lives building these elaborate psychological dams, hoping to contain the flood, yet we always seem to find ourselves drowning in it anyway. It's a cycle that never quite breaks.
Human existence has one primary function: to regulate *jouissance*. We enter this world with *jouissance* baked into our very biology—this raw, overwhelming surplus of stimulation that we spend our lives trying to offload. As we mature, we essentially bleed this *jouissance* out of the psyche through the constant pressure of deprivation, schooling, and the rigid rules of socialization. It’s the process of being folded into "The Other," a system that dictates exactly how to act and when to act. You rarely see that unbridled, frantic excitement of a toddler in a grown adult. That’s because the *jouissance* has been drained from the psyche. But it doesn't just vanish. Some of it gets trapped in privileged corners of the body, like the erogenous zones. And—crucially for anyone interested in psychoanalysis—it lingers in our symptoms. A symptom is just a part of that leftover *jouissance* that refused to disappear; it’s a piece of that excess energy that crawled back into the mind or the body, specifically to make life difficult.
Language and castration.
Jean Alain-Miller really nailed it when he showed how Lacan reframed castration. It’s not just some abstract concept; it’s the draining of jouissance from the psyche. And how does this drainage actually happen? Through the Symbolic register itself—language. The moment the psyche passes through and into language, that is castration. It’s what introduces the concepts of loss and absence into our world. The phallus serves as the permanent symbol of this transition, the unconscious way we represent that fundamental sense of lack. Lacan’s take isn't just academic fluff; it has massive clinical implications. If jouissance is part of The Real—existing entirely outside the Imaginary and the Symbolic—how is a psychoanalyst supposed to touch it? Their only tool is language. The answer, it seems, lies in the thesis that language itself is what triggers changes in jouissance. This immediately calls into question all those therapeutic trends that claim you can rewire the psyche through non-symbolic practices. It brings us back to one of Freud’s earliest preoccupations in his work during the 1890s. He viewed the psyche as a web of representations constantly bombarded by excitations. The task of the psyche is to find a way to manage these relentless excitations—mostly through redirections—to allow for new ways of navigating that network of representation.
So, there it is. Just the tip of the iceberg, really. It’s enough to make you want to dig much deeper into 🙂
http://nosubject.com/JouissanceGreat piece. Honestly, if you can wrap your head around the English, this might actually help... but I still need some real-world, everyday examples to make it stick.
Morgan Bishop4 said:Isn't that basically just masochism at this point? Or, you know... finding some kind of twisted pleasure in the pain or something "bad"...
My take? A masochist consciously leans into the pain. I’m not experiencing it that way. For me, it’s all happening deep in the unconscious... I don't know. Maybe that isn't the perfect illustration of Jouissance. Does anyone have a better example?
So, what exactly is Jouissance?
"Jouissance is essentially 'pleasure in pain.' It refers to that paradoxical satisfaction triggered by a painful encounter with the Thing—something that disrupts the equilibrium of the established pleasure principle."
How am I supposed to make sense of that??
My boyfriend tried to break it down for me: he said it’s like how I enjoy being with him, yet I’m constantly questioning if I actually deserve all this happiness—that's Jouissance, finding a weird sort of satisfaction in not fully letting yourself enjoy things. Is he actually onto something here??