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The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Nicholas Turner said:It seems Zeitgeist 3 has taken a look—apparently, they’ve discovered that nothing beats a little bit of warmth and a shot of adrenaline to get things moving!

👍I think logic wins though.
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Arthur Booth96 said:Maybe give that documentary *Money as Debt* a watch if you can't be bothered to slog through actual monetary economics textbooks instead.

edit: And just to be clear, it isn't some disgusting scam; it’s just that today's paper money is fiat currency, assuming you've heard the term. Basically, it all relies on trusting that random scrap of paper and having faith in the CB.

I mean, isn't paper just... paper? How does it actually get the power to buy stuff that's real?
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Arthur Booth96 said:GDP and GDP per capita haven't really been considered the gold standard for measuring how much people are actually thriving for quite some time now, though I guess I'm not entirely sure where you're getting that from

Probably from those idiots running this country blindfolded while pretending they're Wall Street geniuses. Or maybe I just picked up some stuff about GDP in school from professors who were actually political science majors instead of economists.
Yeah, pretty sure that's where I heard it.
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Austin Clark7 said:You’re looking at this all wrong. Think about it like a carpenter who picks up some raw lumber for $33—through sheer skill, sweat, and time, he turns that wood into high-end doors and sells them for $667. It’s the exact same deal for a bank; they take money as input and use various investments—loans being just one tiny slice of the pie—to grow that capital into something much larger.

By the way, how did you even land on those $68 numbers in the first place? If there were actually a fixed amount of money in the world—which, by the way, is a completely flawed assumption—then if Steve wanted to pay back a loan with interest, he’d have to earn that extra cash somewhere else. So, let's say he sells a massive batch of doors... that just moves his capital to a third party, leaving the total sum at $67
But honestly, your logic is way too oversimplified... and if you keep thinking like that, you're never going to wrap your head around how the money market actually works.

HOW IS IT 200,000????????????????
If money is a fixed pie, and Steve has $17 while Ivan has $17, and they hate each other and aren't trading anything... where does the extra come from? If Steve just takes out a huge loan to go on vacation, where do those extra $1333 magically appear?
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Been waiting right here for you guys.
All your fancy data means nothing once you realize people in Africa can't even get food or medicine—not because they're broke, seriously, there's more money than ever! It's just the sheer inefficiency of how this whole economic system works.
Thanks anyway.
EVERYTHING FOR THE STATE, THE STATE FOR NOTHING!
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Arthur Booth96 said:Maybe give that documentary *Money as Debt* a watch if you can't be bothered to slog through actual monetary economics textbooks instead.

edit: And just to be clear, it isn't some disgusting scam; it’s just that today's paper money is fiat currency, assuming you've heard the term. Basically, it all relies on trusting that random scrap of paper and having faith in the CB.

What kind of trust? What are you even talking about?
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Amanda Allen4 said:It’s possible—because modern money, or rather our national currencies, are nothing more than symbols. As long as people collectively agree to believe in a symbol, it exists.

I feel like most people have no clue how money actually gets made. They think the government just prints bills and decides how much cash is out there. I mean, they play a part, sure, but isn't it really the banks? They pump out loans and rake in interest, dropping billions into the system that just end up being cycled back through more loans. Honestly, if every single debt was paid off tomorrow, money wouldn't even exist anymore. Or maybe I'm just trippin'.
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Austin Clark7 said:Why on earth do you think economics is actually simpler than that? Honestly, that’s the whole issue right there—everyone seems to think economics is this self-explanatory, straightforward, totally basic thing. It's not.
Just sit down, pick up a book, read some peer-reviewed journals... even that Wikipedia entry is actually pretty solid if you give it a chance. It might help things click for you.

Nah, it's pretty straightforward. I honestly can't believe someone is talking such nonsense just to sound smart. Still haven't even figured out what those $1333 are.
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Kate Foster12 said:First off, the minimum reserve a bank needs to operate in the US is $40 million.

Second, you need to understand the basics of deposit and credit multiplication...

Look, I'm not asking about some space law or random theoretical nonsense, I'm asking how money is just conjured out of thin air?
I'm kinda clueless here and don't get how anything can be made from nothing.
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·

Nicholas Turner said:Here is the backstory on how this all began http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

Is this even legal? Feels like the biggest, nastiest scam on the planet to me.
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Austin Clark7 said:Wow, you really think you simplified it, don't you? Look, the Federal Reserve isn't something you can just wrap up in a single social media post... honestly. Maybe try hitting up a local library sometime—they’ve got stacks of textbooks on how the Federal Reserve actually functions, most of them running pretty heavy at 400 to 700 pages... just grab one, sit down, and actually read it. It might help clear things up for you.

It really is that simple, though. It all comes down to explaining how those $1333 even came to be. What actual good does that money do? What raw material does it represent? Like, what's the real value behind it all?
The downsides of big banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Can someone please walk me through how interest actually works? Is it even "real" money—like, actual physical cash that exists, rather than just something conjured out of thin air?

Let’s say there’s just one bank left on Earth, and they have a deposit of $33. They offer you a loan for $6.75. At that exact moment, if you count all the cash people are holding, the total amount is $33. So, everything combined equals $67.
If you put your money in a CD, let's say the rate is 4% a year, but if you take out a loan, the rate jumps to 10%. If Person A takes a loan for $6.75 and has to pay it back over, say, 2 years... how is it even possible for there to be $68 in the world once that debt is settled?
How can money just be created out of nothing but debt?? 😲