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IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
Hannah Harris6 said:I just successfully submitted my ID and VAT return for January 2013 through the IRS portal. As a service provider, I have a few clients who recently filed powers of attorney with the IRS, so I’m officially authorized now. Can someone walk me through what the first step is this time when I'm filing forms for those clients? Is it as simple as, say, opening the VAT form and just deleting my own Tax ID and Company Name in the header to type in the client's Tax ID and Name instead, followed by their specific data? Or am I supposed to perform some other action first? I'm a bit lost here... thanks in advance!

You've got the right idea. You just fill out the forms using the information for the client who authorized you. There aren't any extra hoops to jump through beforehand.
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Mark Bennett said:And honestly, I don't know why everyone is being so aggressive, maybe just take it easy... Besides, if you had read my other posts on this thread, you would've realized my comment about the field visit was about Goldman Sachs and that I just got mixed up... you also would've seen that I never said the app itself was the problem, since I can't even get to the IRS site because it won't read my card. I wouldn't have known it was a Goldman Sachs issue until they pointed me in that direction. Since it's an IRS matter, I figured they should be familiar with the whole process instead of just passing the buck to Goldman Sachs while collecting a paycheck... and I guess I don't see where all those contradictions are, except for the part about the IRS in the last paragraph...

My sincerest apologies. After hitting send, I realized my tone was completely off, but duty called and I didn't have a second to go back and fix it. While I was reading the responses, I actually found myself wondering: would an IRS agent, who is supposedly there to serve the public, really have the audacity to charge an installation fee? Anyway, my temper got the better of me and you innocent bystanders caught the brunt of it. My apologies, truly.
Instead of FINRA, I ended up aiming all that misplaced heat at the IRS, even though they aren't even at fault here.
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
Maria Kern2 said:I really need some help here. I’ve got this USB security token from my bank for online banking, and apparently, I'm supposed to be able to use it to file forms through the IRS portal. But there's a catch: every time I install the software, plug in the stick, and try to submit my electronic filing request to the IRS, it hits me with an error: "Keyset does not exist!" I called the bank, and they’re insisting everything is fine because the digital certificate is clearly installed on the drive. Then I called the IRS, and they just told me to call my bank and fix it on their end. It’s a total loop. Is anyone else using a bank-issued security token for tax filings? If you've dealt with this mess, how did you actually get it working? Thanks for any advice.

Before you attempt to submit that Electronic Filing Request, take a look at your settings within the IRS application. Under the Digital Certificates tab, configure your certificates (click the "Select Certificate/Installed Certificate" icon; your specific certificate should show up there). If it doesn't appear, go to the official certification authority's website at and install the Verification Root (self-signed)—just follow their instructions.
After that, head to your computer's Start menu, go to All Programs, find ActivIdentity, then ActivClient, and open the User Console (it will likely ask for your PIN). Select "My Certificates," where you'll see a pair of certificates. Right-click them and select "Make Available," then hit OK.
Once you've done that, restart the IRS application, go back to Settings/Digital Certificates, and click "Select Certificate/Installed Certificate" again. Your certificates should finally be visible.
Also, double-check that the USB (or smart card) is properly seated in your computer (or card reader) when you're trying to sign the request. You'll know it's seated correctly if the light stays solid without blinking.
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
Mark Bennett said:I don't think any of the issues mentioned in that link apply to me. I've already installed the certificates, Omnikey, GemPC for the card reader, and the ActivClient—everything was done exactly according to the manual. I even tried restarting with the USB plugged in and everything. But whenever I open ActivClient, I get image
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I suspect there might be an issue with the GemPC card reader software itself, because for a while now, every time I restart my laptop, I get this error: image,
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And when I try to check the status using GemStart, it shows me this... image
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I'm actually looking at buying a new laptop because this one is on its last legs and is incredibly slow, which makes installing everything even harder. It’s running Windows 8... though honestly, I feel like I might need to hire a pro to do this for me via TeamViewer or something similar. My nerves are just totally shot from trying so hard 🤣
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Not to mention how incompetent their customer service is... it's honestly terrible. First, I couldn't find the number for the IRS, so I called them directly. A guy picks up and basically snaps, "Oh, so you finally decided to call?" Then I'm stuck trying to explain how urgent this is because of my filing deadlines, and he's just asking if I'm trying to send something via fax? 😕 hehehhe, what a joke
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So I call the IRS help line again to explain the problem, and they tell me, "No, you have to write an email detailing the exact issue." Fine, I write the email, and the response is to uninstall ActivClient and download some version from a Bank of America link they sent me. I do all that, and it still doesn't work. Then they tell me, "You'll have to contact the IRS; it's not our problem..."
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Then I call the IRS and wait half an hour for someone to pick up, only to be told, "We don't know about that. If you want, we can send you a field agent," which is just $67..
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The bottom line is 🙂🙂🙂

That's a hell of a lot of contradictions. You don't have an issue with the IRS portal itself; you have a certificate problem. The IRS isn't going to fix your digital certificates. That’s a job for FIN (or if you got the certificate through your bank, then you deal with the bank's customer service).
First, you say you contacted the IRS(?!!!), and then you say a guy told you that you need to contact the tax authorities???!!! And on top of that, an agent from the tax office said they'd send an auditor out for $67??????!!! The IRS doesn't send people out to your house for technical glitches. Who on earth did you call??? Also, do you actually have a problem with the IRS application (which I can't tell from what you wrote), or is it the certificates? You need to pick a side...
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
Nicole Lee6 said:I went down to the local IRS office and received an envelope containing the USB stick. We got the initial decryption PIN via email; now I really need to sit down and study this process. Apparently, I have to take this stick to the tax office first, before I can even attempt my first electronic filing—I didn't catch exactly what the procedure was, but something like that.

If you haven't figured it out yet...
Your first move should be installing the IRS e-filing software. You can find it here:
http://www.irs.gov/e-filing...6.asp?id=b03d9
Once that's done, go into the app and complete the Settings section.
The next hurdle is getting authorized to actually operate the system. Authorization depends entirely on whose name is on the certificate.
If the certificate belongs to the primary account holder, you authorize yourself through the application by submitting the Electronic Business Request form (found under the Authorizations tab). The IRS will then grant authorization and notify you via the email address you provided in the digital form.
If the certificate was issued to someone other than the primary responsible party, you’ll need to fill out a Power of Attorney form in triplicate. Take that, along with the certificate, to your nearest IRS office to finalize the authorization. Everything regarding the power of attorney is available at this link:
http://www.irs.gov/e-Filing...k.asp?id=b03d2
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
Hannah Harris6 said:Alright... let's dive into this. Since I’m currently neck-deep in paperwork, I have a question about how things work with the IRS. When my accounting service—basically my firm—draws up a Power of Attorney for a client, who actually counts as the principal here? Is it the firm itself, or am I acting as the individual? Whose Tax ID gets entered on the forms? When I look at my own primary Power of Attorney filed with the tax authorities, my company is listed as the principal, and I'm just the agent. So, if I'm reading this right, since Microsoft doesn't provide pre-set templates that always fit perfectly (honestly, dealing with US bureaucracy is a bit of a moving target, isn't it?), when we set up a Power of Attorney with another client, under the "principal" section, it should be my full name, but instead of my personal Social Security number, I use my business EIN . Am I hitting the mark here? Or am I totally off base?

You always use the business's EIN, not your personal Social Security number. The only exception is if you're a sole proprietor, in which case your business tax ID and personal ID are one and the same.
Check the details here..
http://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-2848
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
silverbadger said:Actually, those weren't linked to the business entity itself, but rather to the SSN of the individual listed on the power of attorney. I know this for a fact because I originally drafted a power of attorney using the company's tax ID, and the IRS wouldn't accept it, so I had to go back and change everything to my own SSN.

We aren't talking about a power of attorney filed with the IRS here. A digital business certificate belongs to the company that requested it, but it can be issued in either the name and surname of a designated officer or a third party, like an employee or an accountant. Bottom line: it ALWAYS lists a specific name and surname!
When you submit a power of attorney to the IRS, the principal is the individual whose name is actually on the certificate, while you list the EIN of the business that owns said certificate. As far as I am aware—and I am quite well-informed on this—the standard forms haven't been updated yet to require the SSN of the certificate holder. The forms simply need a redesign.
Current principal data includes:
For the agent, you must provide:
-the name and surname of the agent and the business name,
-the business's tax identification number—the EIN (associated with the issued certificate)
-occupation,
-business address of the agent,
-phone or mobile number,
-e-mail.
(copied from the official Instructions for completing the Power of Attorney form)
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josip yyyy;43318542 said:Yeah, unfortunately, that's the reality. So much of this makes zero sense; I'm constantly being "surprised" by new nonsense here.

Supposedly, it all comes down to liability. After chatting with someone at the IRS, I realized accountants are basically losing faith in their clients—maybe because some books aren't exactly accurate or people are working under the table. Now, they’re demanding everyone have their own individual digital ID (like a specific taxpayer credential) so you have to submit electronic documents personally ("don't dump your mess on me"). They’ve tweaked the laws so accounting firms have to vet their clients as "high-risk groups" or whatever. It's an attempt to shift the blame. Most of these clients are just small local contractors who don't even deal with sales tax, so instead of managing 50 accounts, the accountant is stuck doing this tedious vetting process for 20 people. It’s neither efficient nor practical. Last year, apparently, only those with more than $267 were forced through this hoop.

Please, walk me through the logic here. If an accountant was already filing forms for their clients, what actually changes now that they're doing it electronically? WHAT? If someone wanted to cook the books, they’ll keep cooking them regardless of whether the paperwork is physical or digital. And any accountant foolish enough to try and manage 50 different digital signatures is just begging for a headache. They'll end up getting blamed for everything—by the IRS, by the state—because if they're signing every single form with a unique certificate, but the forms themselves look identical and don't clearly label which client they belong to, there's a massive chance of a mix-up. Plus, does the client really want to drive over to the office every single time a form needs to be sent just to hand over their digital key? No way. The whole point of electronic filing is to streamline things, save time, and cut costs on paper and gas. Instead, the accountant is just becoming a slave to the bureaucracy.
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
silverbadger said:The folks on the phone explained to me that there's only one valid certificate allowed per Social Security number. Since they already have my SSN listed on the power of attorney, they'll just pull up the right certificate themselves. At the end of the day, a digital certificate is my personal signature, not some corporate stamp belonging to the firm I work for.

Since the start of this year, they've been issuing certificates tied directly to an individual's SSN. Before that, they used to be issued in a person's name—whether it was the manager or someone else—but they were technically linked to the business's tax ID instead.
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
silverbadger said:I figured I’d just post this here to answer my own question, though it might actually end up being pretty helpful for someone else on the forum too.

When you're heading in to get your access set up on the IRS online portal, there is absolutely no need to bring your FINRA card along with you.
"The agent really shouldn't have been asking you for that card in the first place, since those digital certificates are all accessible right through the intranet—it's just that nobody can actually do anything with them unless they have the correct PIN."

So, bottom line: if an agent asks to see your FINRA card with its digital signature, just keep it to yourself and don't hand it over.

Aha... so what happens when you have five different certificates under your name? How is the agent supposed to know which one to authorize?!!! Or do you suddenly have all those certificate serial numbers memorized like some kind of math prodigy???
It happens. Agents might not ask for the physical card, but they frequently end up authorizing the completely wrong certificate.
Always bring the card with you.
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
Donna Jones26 said:I noticed that businesses required to file electronically now include those making less than $267... will accountants be handling the filings for every single client, or are owners going to have to jump on the computer and do it themselves every month?

It looks like clients have started filing individual requests with the IRS and submitting powers of attorney to the tax office... I wonder how much it's going to cost per client if accountants end up doing all these separate filings? And does anyone know the electronic filing deadlines for this month versus next month?

Large and medium-sized corporations, along with anyone registered for sales tax, are now mandated to file electronically. A client can certainly grab their own digital certificate, but they can also authorize any other person holding one—like an accountant—to file on their behalf. In that scenario, you just fill out a power of attorney form (you can download three copies from the official IRS website), take it down to the nearest local IRS office along with the certificate, and you're set. From the client's perspective, there's no direct financial hit, though the certificate holder (the accounting firm) is the one who paid the Treasury for it. Whether or not the accounting firm decides to pass that service fee onto the client is entirely up to them.
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
Raymond Martinez10 said:Federal Register 136, amendments to the General Tax Code (Section 4).

Look at Section 63, Paragraph 6!!!
IRS and Tax Filing Issues in Business, Accounting & Taxes ·
Dana Moore6 said:Hi everyone.

I couldn't find an answer on the forums, so I figured I'd just ask... I have a few clients who all have their own IRS digital tax IDs. Is there a more streamlined way to update profile info (like the authorized signer or company details) in the Settings? I was hoping selecting the right certificate would auto-fill everything, but it looks like I'm stuck re-typing the data manually for every single one...

Thanks in advance.

Dana Moore6

In the Settings, under both the application user and the business entity sections, just uncheck the "use on forms" box.
It would be much easier if you just authorized one primary certificate to handle the filing for all the other business entities. That way, you wouldn't be stuck picking a specific certificate every single time you try to submit a form.