Olivia Martinez20 said:....essentially claiming that humanity would be better off if we didn't build collective identities around the concept of the Nation at all, since it is inherently aggressive.
That is an incredibly provocative assertion. The reality is that some collective identities are aggressive while others are peaceful. If we were to attempt to ban the formation of collective identities, it simply *would not be possible*, so I am not entirely sure how much sense there is in debating the feasibility. However, I do want to address this idea regarding the Nation.
What I mean is, a Nation does not emerge from the collective; rather, it emerges from the singular. For instance, when a people needs to rise up, messages are broadcast through the media that influence the rest of the Nation. In a world without mass media, the Nation wouldn't be aggressive. You might see local uprisings against local authorities, but there would be no such thing as international rebellions or uprisings by the ENTIRE NATION.
Olivia Martinez20 said:I don't think nationalism can have different "statuses" in different countries.
Perhaps it cannot by definition, but since future states will possess different laws and political priorities, it inevitably happens that nationalism DOES have a different status in different countries. We may simply dislike that reality.
Olivia Martinez20 said:What a certain poster on another forum was trying to convey is that perceiving oneself as "us" based on nationality is unhealthy. And that it would be better if we had other models of collective identity. The question is whether we actually have them.
I agree... perceiving ourselves as "us" in the context of nationalism is not healthy. As for alternative models of collective identity, even if new ones were to emerge, they would very quickly be crushed by the government because they are deemed undesirable. Any form of identifying with an identity can fundamentally serve as a target for finger-pointing. In America, there was a period where that target was Black Americans, then it was Asian Americans, and so on. It is merely a matter of time before the finger is pointed at someone else.
Olivia Martinez20 said:So they shot back, saying it's a bit of a pre-futuristic concept. 😁
I do not believe it is a pre-futuristic concept, but... how can one achieve such a goal in the real world? Are you suggesting the elimination of *ALL* models of collective identity?