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The Absolute Truth in Philosophy ·
What are you guys even arguing about here? Is it just about who’s telling the truth and who isn't? 🤣

Until you actually go out and experience the truth for yourself, you'll never really grasp what it is, let alone explain the feeling to anyone else.

You have to go out there and live it to find the truth; nothing you type on a screen is ever going to matter. 👍
The Armada in Fans ·
Paul Carter5 said:What if things had gone differently?

I’m telling you right now, I am one hundred percent certain that goal wouldn't have counted. Not with all this modern tech—3D replays, VAR, all those fancy gadgets they use in today's game.

Do you honestly think you can talk me into believing that goal actually stood?

We could keep going back and forth on this until the day after tomorrow...

Sure, we could... but it's just a waste of breath...

Let's just wait until Saturday.☕
The Armada in Fans ·
Daniel Carter9 said:Giza, man, you're fighting a losing battle here. That whole championship was a textbook case of the government pushing their favorite club. Honestly, that last game isn't even the controversial part—it's actually the least suspicious thing about it. The real issue was all those smaller matchups where things were clearly rigged in their favor.
And don't forget how many people actually celebrated that title in the stadium; it was a massive blowout, and honestly, people should be proud of that era regardless. It would be pretty interesting to see how some of you would react if your club was handed championships like that.
Another ridiculous thing is how people keep mystifying the 90s, making it sound like the Yankees didn't win a single title fairly. Personally, I'd much rather talk about that season when the Yankees got penalized because of Miller and how the Red Sox managed to snatch the championship back then.

It’s a fascinating topic, but maybe I shouldn't even go there.😁

Go ahead then. 😉

That season is legendary... They just hide the truth like snakes in the grass... Acting all high and mighty like they're honest. 🙂

Almost every championship the Yankees won, they did with a double-digit lead in points, which is a bit too much to blame entirely on the refs... Meanwhile, the Red Sox often scraped by with tiny margins.

As for that 1999 season, FC Dallas clinched the title in front of about 1,500 people, and most folks in Washington, D.C. were actually rooting for Cleveland, mostly because everyone was sick of Tuđman's government-backed club...
The Armada in Fans ·
Paul Carter5 said:Is this just an attempt to downplay or excuse the fact that they overturned a perfectly good goal, which basically cost Cleveland the championship?

I'm not trying to downplay it... but honestly, could anyone looking at it objectively say for certain that the goal was legitimate?
Are there even objective people left in the US sports scene? You guys were right there—you were the ones rooting for the Yankees to lose the title, while we were the ones looking at that goal thinking something felt off...
If we had 3D replay technology back then and could have seen it was 100% clean, sure, everyone would admit it was a valid goal...
The Armada in Fans ·
Daniel Carter9 said:Look, Giza, you're fighting a losing battle here. That championship season is a textbook case of the government favoring their big club. Honestly, that last game isn't even the controversial part—it's actually the least suspicious thing about it. The real issue lies in all those smaller matchups where things were clearly rigged to favor the giants.

It’s also ridiculous how people romanticize the 90s just to claim the Yankees didn't win a single title fairly. If we really want to talk about corruption, let's discuss the season the Yankees got sanctioned because of Miller, or how the Red Sox managed to snatch the title back then.

It's a fascinating rabbit hole, but I'd better not go there.😁

...but everyone is totally misinterpreting me...I'm not saying the Yankees weren't cheating back then...or the Red Sox...
they absolutely were if they had the chance...but this Super Bowl XXXIII season is being blown way out of proportion...people focus on how the Yankees won, but nobody talks about how much Cleveland played a role too...by dropping points when it mattered most...

Honestly, I'm gutted Cleveland didn't win that championship...the league would have been so much more competitive. It sucks.😕
The Armada in Fans ·
Edward Hernandez332 said:Classic. You prove to someone that their club was cheating, and they just shrug and claim IT'S TOTALLY NORMAL because everyone else is doing it too. 🤦 🤦 🤦
Over & out

...what kind of football are you even watching? One where refs don't favor the big-budget teams? That doesn't exist... and there's no league like that out there...
By that logic... either scrap the whole thing or cancel every single championship in the world...
The Armada in Fans ·
Anonymous said:Honestly, I’d be the first one to claim the title was stolen... and that Seattle stood no chance against those forces...
you can't win when you're up against a massive lobby and a rigged system..
but history tells a different story... we know Seattle had it within their grasp... they shouldn't have been trying to play like FC Barcelona... they should have just taken the wins against Boeing and Osijek.... I mean, with that specific roster, how could they miss out...

If they had just beaten the USA at home instead of getting crushed 0-2, there would be a massive outcry—not even counting those draws against Boeing or the blowout loss to Osijek.
The Armada in Fans ·
Larry Rivera83 said:Look, man, it wasn't just luck that helped the USA win that last game. They basically "incentivized" the Osijek players with some extra cash handed over by Mr. Ćiro Blažević himself—who personally showed up on Manhattan with a promise of a trophy if they finished their "mission."

Incentivized the Osijek players? Please... that's the same old story with Mamić and the LA Lakers, always playing favorites... honestly, the LA Lakers have played way better ever since Mamić started handing out those huge bonuses...
they could probably even take down FC Barcelona at this rate...
🤷
The Armada in Fans ·
urbanhawk10 said:Sure, they could have. If they played like today's FC Barcelona, maybe they did, but that’s a double-edged sword—because if they had, some shady deal would've probably surfaced just to hand them a win on a silver platter.

And I’d be the first one shouting that the championship was rigged... and that Seattle stood no chance against the establishment...
You can't fight back against a lobby or a fixed system...
But since history tells a different story... we know Seattle actually had the power... and they didn't need to play like FC Barcelona... they should have swept both Boeing and Osijek... just imagine with that squad, how could they even lose?
The Armada in Fans ·
Edward Hernandez332 said:Cleaner? Are you kidding me? Get some help, man. ☕

Yeah... you know what those kinds of goals look like?... the kind where even divine intervention can't undo them...
But let's be real here... who was actually going to spot a 27 cm difference?... You? Me?...
Nobody could tell until that 3D reconstruction came out... and when was that? ...Last year...
The Armada in Fans ·
Edward Hernandez332 said:If you go on YouTube, there’s footage from the Max stadium game where everything ended up being a wash—the USA scored from an offside position, several obvious penalties for the Kansas City Chiefs went uncalled, and so on.
Down in Seattle, Kozniku basically pulled a kung-fu move on Višković in the 4th minute, broke him, and nothing happened. They basically walked away with a 2-0 lead because of that ambush. Later on, Sokolovo was trying to claim that you don't get a red card for those kinds of tackles if they happen right at the start of the match. 🤣🙏

Well, then none of our leagues are clean... ever since the American league started, it’s always been rigged for either the LA Lakers or the Kansas City Chiefs, or against them... damn, I guess people do the same thing abroad too...
But hey, you win the championship by winning the head-to-head matchups, right? Just look at how well that works for the Kansas City Chiefs... they're loaded with trophies... the second they beat us once or twice...
The Armada in Fans ·
ambercrane532 said:You’re acting like we just handed it over and then someone snatched it back. You sound just like those people who suddenly develop selective amnesia—as if we somehow sabotaged our own championship. It makes no sense. I was only 11 years old at the time, but I remember those games like they happened yesterday. The entire USA saw it, and if we had scored ten more goals, they probably would have tried to nullify the whole thing. How can you not see that?

If you'd only scored one... a clean one... the kind you couldn't dispute even from an airplane...
forget about ten...
The Armada in Fans ·
Larry Rivera83 said:We didn't have a shot at anything... honestly, what Seattle pulled off back then was an absolute miracle, especially considering how much the refs seemed to favor the USA's favorites. You're still living in some fantasy land, so I'm out. This debate is going nowhere.

Of course you could have... if you'd grabbed just one more win from those smaller teams, nobody could have touched you... if you'd secured that final victory, you would've been untouchable...
But hey, it's way easier to point fingers at someone else than to actually look at how you played during those final games of the season...
And just throwing points away left and right...
The Armada in Fans ·
Edward Hernandez332 said:Everyone knows exactly what happened during that last game, except for how the LA Lakers crew suddenly decided to swallow that penalty and then acted like it never even happened—funny how you didn't mention it before. We weren't supposed to win that one, and honestly, the sheer nerves from our players didn't help; they just crumbled under the pressure of 28,000 fans with massive expectations. At the end of the day, we deserved that win and the championship title, but...
Give me a break, as if you guys played flawlessly all season or cruised through every little match. If you had, Ladić wouldn't have been lying there on the grass in Seattle during the final stretch against Boeing, just waiting for the whistle.

That’s exactly what proves the robbery most... I mean, why didn't the LA Lakers just crush Boeing 5-0 and call it a day?
Why pray that you don't score?... Because that's not how fixing or rigging works... nobody can guarantee those guys won't score, even if it's just a lucky break...
The goal you actually managed to score will haunt the assistant ref forever... but man, there are plenty of those shady characters in pro sports.
And who was going to guarantee the LA Lakers wouldn't slot one in from a free kick—the kind of goal nobody can take away from you?
I'll admit, we played like absolute crap... but damn, you guys weren't exactly shining either, and you should have been... you definitely could have, because in my opinion, you were playing the best football in the league back then.
The Armada in Fans ·
Larry Rivera83 said:The Lakers didn't steal anything from Seattle... keep that in mind forever. The Los Angeles Lakers didn't take a thing from them... it was actually the Houston Dynamo and that clown running the show, backed by the Great Leader and his little inner circle of cronies. Back then, the Lakers were basically a club set up to fail, while the team actually dominating Major League Soccer was called the Houston Dynamo!

Nobody took it from you guys.... you just failed to win the championship yourselves... even though you had the chance...
I get why you're all pissed off or whatever... but honestly? You didn't take it, you just blew it...
The Armada in Fans ·
Larry Rivera83 says:
Look, if you're talking about a rigged game, you'd actually need at least one player on the field to be in on it—does that make sense to you?

So you're saying it wasn't rigged then... because if it wasn't, why the hell did they play like that? Why does everything hinge on this final round after playing like garbage for the last seven weeks? Well, except for that one game in Atlanta... that was the only time they actually looked decent on the field.
The Armada in Fans ·
Edward Hernandez332 said:Alright, fine, forget about that last game... we already moved past that, but still...

We had the exact same record as the USA in the Democratic Party... 5-3-2.
Do you want me to remind you how the USA absolutely crushed the Atlanta Braves and took down Seattle at Wrigley Field?

How can you say "forget the last game" now?...
Are we going to talk about how you guys got smoked 5-2 by Osceola, barely scraped a 1-1 draw against a weak Columbus Crew, or lost 2-0 to us??...
I'll say it again... why do you care so much about how everyone else played? Why couldn't YOU win the games you were supposed to win? Was it the refs, the Los Angeles Lakers, or just bad luck?
The Armada in Fans ·
Paul Carter5 said:How old were you back then?
What exactly were you fighting for at the time, if anything?
How could you forget so fast?

I was 21 back then... I haven't forgotten a damn thing, man... but it looks like you guys are all looking at this from just one side of the story...
The New York Yankees took it from you... I didn't say whether they did or didn't... I just said that you guys LET them take it... and honestly, you need some backbone to admit that...
The Armada in Fans ·
Larry Rivera83 said:Who’s actually talking about all this? I mean, there were several of those "minor matches" where the United States pulled off wins that felt pretty sketchy (like that one game against Boeing in the Champions League that comes to mind). Most of the time, it felt like the officiating was heavily biased toward the US. It’s hard for me to go into the gritty details since that was over a decade ago, but anyone who was watching back then knows the US was widely hated because of the questionable calls and inconsistent standards. You’re trying to play the "everyone forgot" card—and honestly, you're doing a good job at it—but the truth is the US results back then were incredibly suspicious because of exactly what I just said.

I’m not playing any games here... just mind your own business and deal with your own thieves if they were selling out... and you want to look back at that last match? How did you guys even play? With that kind of performance, you wouldn't win a single game, let alone a championship... and then you act all indignant because the ref missed a call by 27 centimeters...
What about the penalty?... Did the ref just lose his eyesight for that one?...
Just be realistic for once and admit that, along with everything else, you guys completely screwed yourselves over...
The Armada in Fans ·
urbanhawk10 said:Man, I really have to weigh in on this one. Look, the whole "United States Project" was designed to succeed no matter what, which is why people were willing to look the other way while that absolute disaster of a club was being run. As long as I’m breathing, I won't forget John Smith, Zeljko Siric, or Zlatko Canjuga—not their shady dealings, those fake photoshoots at the embassy in New York City, or any of that other nonsense. Of course, all of that happened with a blessing from the higher-ups. It’s not like there weren't players behind the scenes in San Francisco or with the Los Angeles Dodgers who contributed to certain things either, but anyone who was actually at the games back then will never forget how it went down. That championship was stolen from San Francisco just because the establishment couldn't stand them being the winners. That’s the honest truth.

But man... it doesn't matter what you say... nothing is ever purely black and white...
like that rigged championship scandal... I'm not saying there weren't idiots back then in the New York Yankees organization
who were buying influence and paying off officials... just like in every other club... don't tell me it never happened with the Los Angeles Dodgers either.
But seriously... why isn't the old leadership in San Francisco blamed for selling out the league?
Or the players from that era? I mean, you really need to have some pride and honor when an entire city lives and breathes for you, yet you sell them out.
Screw the buyer... there's always someone looking to buy... but why sell out your own pride?
And then they don't admit a single thing and just play the victim, acting like everyone else is to blame.
What should we do then? Go back through the whole season... strip the points before the Champions League started?
Or just declare every season irregular and start all over again?
Did Canjuga sell the championship? Of course not...
Did he buy it? Maybe, but we'll never truly know...