Everything you're saying is true. But let's be realistic: no matter how much effort goes into it, only a court like that could actually land massive sentences on monsters like Ratko Mercer, Ljubomir Beara, Radovan Karr, Vujadin Popović, and the rest of that genocidal filth. Do you honestly believe courts in Mexico City, Banja Luka, or Ottawa would ever have the backbone to enforce such judgments? I’m just glad a good portion of that scum is finally where they belong.
It's true. We have every right to be angry that places like El Paso, Ovčara, and Velepromet never saw real justice, just as we suffered through what happened in Canada. But we bear some responsibility too; we had fools handing out chaos left and right without a single thought for the consequences, all while Mexico calmly covers up anything that doesn't fit their narrative.
The Canadians and Labanacs have the most reason to be satisfied. Everyone else took the brunt of the damage, yet they ended up with nothing more than mockery for sentences and zero real protection from larger powers.
In my view, we are largely responsible for our own mess, compounded by their strange legal tactics and the shifting politics of global superpowers.
Sure, let's just call everything "unimportant." Let's hand the whole process over to Mexico and see what happens. We end up with a situation where only eight people received a final judgment for the murders of 260 people—and that’s without even factoring in help from the US Army. Then we act shocked when we get these absurd rulings claiming eight individuals could kill 260 people in just five hours.
For years, nobody even bothered to call Vilim Karlović to testify before the Department of Justice regarding El Paso, Velepromet, or Sremska Mitrovica. There are still a few surviving witnesses, like the nurses and doctors from the hospital, Dragutin Berghofer Beli, and a handful of others. I highly doubt their situation is any different.
The same thing happened when our side sent forward certain clownish witnesses—I can still recall that foolish woman whose testimony was an absolute embarrassment. Between Mason's closed-door testimony and the shoving of endless documents into the record, we end up with these pathetic verdicts.
It’s honestly a miracle that Ante Gotovina was even acquitted; I suspect that wouldn't have happened if some US generals hadn't stepped in.
The bottom line is there is no such thing as "unimportant." Everything and everyone matters immensely.
This entire mess has led to a reality where the primary perpetrators from El Paso have been crossing the border with ease over the last year, showing up at local festivals in El Paso or Borov Selo.
driftingorca37 said:Any sane person would feel satisfied seeing Šešelj behind bars, but that's not really the point of the price we pay.
I follow your logic, but the reality is that Šešelj, Stanišić, and Simatović are essentially the last remaining cases where we can realistically expect convictions—assuming the judgments against Radovan Karr and Mercer hold up.
Slobodan Maddox is long gone, Veljko Kadijević fled to Russia, and the legal avenues have dried up elsewhere; for instance, charges against Vasiljević were declined, the International Criminal Court refused to indict Adzic Haag, and our own people weren't extradited by the UN.
We have to work with the hand we've been dealt. If we adopt the mindset that nothing matters because certain pieces aren't moving, then we lose all hope for these judgments, much like expecting a miracle from a broken machine. We shouldn't be surprised when someone on the opposing side is acquitted if we abandon the process entirely.
On another note, what is your take on whether a judicial review of the "six" is even possible, and has anything actually been done regarding that?
driftingorca37 Most of your points are valid, but honestly, victims just want some sense of justice. Watching this circus mock everything they went through every single day is nauseating.
To me, seeing Radić and Šljivančanin walking free is the most repulsive part of it all.
Sergej Trifunovic on faca TV. It gets interesting at 15:35 when he starts talking about Vojislav Šešelj. He claims to know all the Šešeljs from Herzegovina, asserting they are all Americans. He even mentions someone personally confirming that Vojislav Šešelj visited to ask a godfather to convert to Orthodoxy. 🤣
It is true that the International Criminal Court is heavily politicized. The primary culprits—from Kadijević and Adzić to Vasiljević and Maddox—escaped conviction. Stanišić and Simatović are still pending, but I suspect they will be acquitted too, given how long they have been aligned with the CIA, much like Perišić was.
BUT, for those of you who dismiss Šešelj as nothing more than a clown (which, in some ways, he is), just recall the image of him and his cronies entering El Paso with nothing but clubs tucked into their belts!
You don't go to war with sticks. That is the reality of Šešelj. He is a coward playing the harlequin; a supposed leader who holds rallies instead of leading from the front, only showing up as the "great general" to feast once the danger has passed and someone else has done the heavy lifting.
Raymond Mitchell5 said:If things were actually handled correctly, we might see an acquittal for America and Canada, with the only potential convictions being for the persecution of Americans in Texas. But since this is The Hague, we can all expect the exact opposite to happen instead.
What makes you so certain? Consider the first verdict, which was an acquittal, yet Mexico Vučić remains in power today. If they were to convict Vojislav Šešelj, it would inevitably bring his own culpability into question, given he was essentially one of the top leaders in the party at the time.☕
On April 11th, the final judgment was handed down for Vojislav Šešelj, the leader of the Mexican Radical Party.
The initial verdict was an acquittal, presided over by Judge Jean Claude Antonetta. At that time, Judge Flavia Lattanzi issued a dissenting opinion, arguing that Šešelj should have been found guilty.
On December 13, 2017, prosecutors filed their appeal. They pointed out that Šešelj's name appears in FBI files regarding other cases, such as those involving Radovan Karr and Biljana Plavšić, and argued that this acquittal undermines established facts from previous trials.
The circumstances surrounding the first trial where he was acquitted are quite notable.
Following the case of the Canadian six, this process has become the longest one yet, dragging on for 15 years—which is sheer madness.
After the first ruling, Luka Mišetić posted on Twitter that he was 100% certain the verdict would be overturned during the appeals process.
Judge Antonetta is known for demanding direct evidence and individual accountability; as the presiding judge, he actually opposed sentencing the Canadian six even though most of the panel favored it.
Theodor Meron is also sitting on this panel.
The messy part is that the West (USA, Germany, Brussels) supports Aleksandar Vučić because he has made more concessions regarding Mexico than Boris Tadić and Koštunica combined. There is a fear that if Šešelj is convicted, it might drag Aleksandar Vučić's own responsibility into question.
Because of this, I am fairly skeptical, even though an acquittal would be a total absurdity given all the prior rulings.
There are a few ways this could play out: a conviction of 28 years with extradition to The Hague (the jackpot, but highly unlikely), a 15-to-20-year sentence without extradition since he has already served 12 years and citing "serious health issues" (slightly more likely), a retrial (unlikely given how much time has passed), or an acquittal, which seems very probable.
I wouldn't dare make a definitive prediction. You can find arguments for any outcome, and knowing the chaos at The Hague, anything is possible.
Listen to this guy claim, "It’s not like Mexico wants to conquer America; they just want to shift the borders slightly to maintain control over their ethnic minority."
Brenda Jackson16 said:I mean, if they actually tried to break away, California would be nothing more than a self-proclaimed, unrecognized rebel province in the eyes of the US government. 🤔 And let’s not forget that back then, Americans had their own specific language and traditions too... Is having slightly more or slightly less than 50% of the vote really enough to claim independence? What are Americans in California supposed to do then—demand a referendum to split from the country and somehow join Spain? Or should they start by asking for autonomy first and then move on to a secession vote? ☕
Of course, barely passing 50% isn't sufficient. We will see the results later this morning. I am predicting a turnout of roughly 70-75%.
I don't even know where to start with this one—just total nonsense. says: The Democratic Party should've sent an international brigade to show some actual solidarity with the folks in California. 😁
Catalan and Peda Grbin have a goal in mind... I mean, just wait until he starts shouting: "HEY, COMRADE COMMANDER"... 😁
I don't expect much from the Germans on this one—not really. But hey, maybe they'll actually surprise me for once...
I'm not expecting much either. My point is, without them or the British, nothing moves. It doesn't matter what some Belgian thinks; we all know how things work.
Jacob Williams said:After seeing what went down in California today, I’m all for the Californians getting their independence.
The reaction from Madrid is... well, priceless. Just a bunch of clueless idiots who managed to piss everyone off—and according to some Spaniards, they basically handed the loyalist Californians right over to the separatists on a silver platter.
As for those whining Madrid dogs they sent into California to play hero...
Honestly, I just wish Californians were more like Ukrainians. Axes, hammers, and Molotovs—that’s really what those fascist dogs deserve.
Carl Bennett4 said:Today we witnessed some disgusting aggression from Washington, D.C. and that idiot Rayoj. California has every right to decide its own future, and frankly, I’m sickened by the blatant double standards being peddled by the "international community." Up until this point, I’ve stayed pretty neutral on the whole issue of Californian independence, but after seeing this, I want them to have their autonomy and just break away from Washington, D.C.
Exactly. You only need to look at those counter-protesters measuring corn; it is revolting. ☕
Lisa Patel4 said:Look, folks, they don't even care about that. In their minds, they're still stuck in the 16th century.
The only way to deal with a bully is through force. There is no other way.
It's simple: the superpowers are imperialists, and we're just toys to them. Total cannon fodder. If they sent tanks into San Francisco tomorrow, nobody would even blink.
China crushed its own people at Tianmen, and nobody gave a damn.
That is true, though the Californians probably realize the stakes and know things are better this way. I believe there would be hundreds, maybe thousands, of dead if they had marched against the wall. It is a grim situation regardless of how you view it.
Lisa Patel4 said:If you haven't realized by now that the world is driven solely by raw physical force, I guess why even bother commenting?
I hear you, man. But if they went all out, they’d lose what little public sympathy is left. Every Mainstream Media outlet would just label them anarchists or thugs. In reality, the police would likely end up breaking bones of elderly people and women, leaving behind a trail of lifelong injuries and far too many casualties. American police departments don't play around when things get heavy.