Posts by David Perez8

Gary Evans90 said:Those blacklists have to go down...

What's your reasoning there? There's a massive gap between wishful thinking and actual reality.

Basically, this performance for Warsaw ended up being pretty last-minute—mostly because the Donkeys played the day before and put up that "...from blood and pain..." banner, which was already part of our setup for Savannah, so we just pivoted to this version at the eleventh hour.

analogheron19 said:Man, given how many posts you've put up, you really ought to be more careful with your word choice.

My apologies—I wasn't targeting anyone specifically. I assumed the context made that clear.

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:If you aren't a criminal—meaning you're not a thief—then how can you be so certain a thief was never a member?🤦 You are just soooooo incredibly dense.😵
You have certainly proven your level of intelligence several times now. 👏

Actually, you're wrong. Go back and look at your previous post before trying to make connections. You mention a specific group of people, yet you keep describing the exact same faces over and over. No one was ever there, so they aren't there anymore.
And why the sudden pivot to trivialities just because someone pointed out that things could be handled differently or better?
Or is constructive criticism simply not allowed here?

Henry Lewis6 said:My neighbor—who works at one big bank—goes to Futsal with a friend who also works at a big bank. And then there are acquaintances who haven't been to a Lakers game in ages. You know why? Because they love the Lakers. Their version of the team is being held hostage—right now, they couldn't care less about them. They go where they can actually enjoy themselves. They want to see the fight on the court and hear the crowd singing from the stands. They want to have fun without dealing with any kind of harassment. They want to be biting their nails until the final whistle, hoping their team pulls off a comeback. They want to celebrate every single goal—even the seventh one—like it was the first. They want an atmosphere that hits you so hard you end up standing up and screaming "LAKERS!" They follow their hearts. They go where everything reminds them of the Lakers that everyone used to have a right to enjoy.

How can you expect someone like that to show up in the West Stand while the Lakers are playing Slaven Belup? They’d be surrounded by SWAT teams and subjected to all sorts of nonsense. Are they going for the atmosphere? For the game itself? For a date? Or maybe for parents with kids? Or even toddlers?

Are you kidding me? This level of intensity isn't for everyone—and that's perfectly fine. But when this crowd finally walks away from the Lakers, I’ll be the one waiting for that old guy at the game, hugging him when the Lakers score, and cheering right alongside him without getting weird looks. And you? You'll just be back to fighting again, because that's all you know how to do. Stop whining. If you can't offer anything constructive, don't bother at all—because what you're saying here makes zero sense.

The barricades, the riot police, and the harassment—it’s all caused by the approach. If you aren't in a position to run the show, then at least use your head and tactically plan things so people aren't getting caught up in nonsense. That way, you actually achieve what you planned.

I'll say it again: sometimes you need to use your brain instead of just charging in blindly. Even if acting cautiously feels like a defensive move in the moment, it yields much more concrete and appropriate results in the long run.

Raymond Gonzalez7 said:No—the Futsal crowd comes from Brooklyn.🤣 Man, you’re delusional and honestly just a thief. Sure, events happen.🙏🙏 That’s how you guys fight—trying to be "smart" by over-tacticalizing when there are six of you against one. Well, you aren't even part of that group because you were kicked out of there long ago. Whatever.

No, nobody is claiming the crowd comes from Brooklyn. It was simply a comparison regarding the demographic profile and the motivation for attending. Someone else already made that point in a previous post.
Feel free to throw accusations all you want, but you're barking up the wrong tree. How can you be "kicked out" of something you were never actually a part of?

northernbadger said:.

In this instance, Futsal is a fresh concept—people are likely just craving something different to break up the monotony of Major League Soccer and those constant European disappointments—not to mention all the harassment happening around Yankee Stadium and beyond.
We could also be looking at pent-up frustrations needing an outlet, or perhaps interest in the Dodgers' new development project, or simply pure entertainment and social banter. Everyone has their own reasons. I find the motives of the masses somewhat questionable in this whole scenario...

Exactly. Futsal is basically bait for the media and event organizers—regardless of gender—as well as those Lakers fans who would complain if it actually happened. It’s perfect for them, even though just xx days ago they were tearing apart the very people now cheering from the stands.
I guarantee you that if people had used their heads before acting recklessly at Yankee Stadium, things would look much different—there would have been more room to maneuver and, most importantly, fewer casualties. But they call it a "struggle." It isn't a struggle; it's just chaos.

Let’s just say the numbers—3,500 or 5,500—are irrelevant. I’m drawing a parallel to some old stats from the Boston Celtics, but honestly? If you don't see why that matters, then this whole "struggle" lacks any real logic or purpose.
You want to know why? It’s simple: when you show up with xxxx people and there are only xxx at the stadium—once, twice, five times over—you have an undeniable argument. You can look anyone in the eye and say, "We are doing things right, and you are failing." Period. End of story.
Another issue here is how Futsal is being lumped in with a group that isn't actually part of it—largely because they can't pull off or demonstrate what I just mentioned above.
Futsal is basically a project where you can see the same patterns we saw with Brooklyn a few years back. It's bait for the media and event planners. We bring kids in, let them play for a half on the court—sure, it looks great on camera. But there’s zero spontaneity involved.
If the folks over at Yankee Stadium brought kids in just to let them play, people would lose it. They’d say, "Look at them bringing kids in just to pose for the newspapers; they're just using children for their own gain."

It’s been the same old story for ages—whenever people run out of actual arguments, they just resort to nonsense.

Alright, let's talk about those 710.
Where are "our" people from the stands? Where is that massive crowd from the futsal matches that claims to be the core supporters of Real Madrid?
unknown people are on the list, and unknown have bans. Why isn't that crowd showing up under the North or West stands? Or even at the parking lot near the West entrance? I'm not disputing the 710—the issue is the constant talk about "fighting" or "rebuilding the group" when the groups themselves aren't where they need to be. If people can't get into the stadium, fine—then bring them to the gates and get them moving. You see my point now, right?
Imagine if those 710 were actually inside the stadium while you had 3,500 people standing outside.

The discussion regarding changes within the group—the "what if" scenarios—has been raised. On paper, at least, the leadership has shifted.
But let’s rewind to the start of this whole "struggle." When the leadership changed back in June/July, membership numbers began to slide. The group adopted a certain military aesthetic—darker tones in the stands and on the fences—and they were aggressive everywhere, home and away, taking on whoever crossed their path. Yet, the numbers kept dropping, and the first mentions of "fighting" the front office were already surfacing. Proclamations, petitions—you name it. The marketing was solid; the motives felt relevant and much sought after. One shouldn't forget that during that period, we were hitting some of the highest ban rates in all of Europe. And despite that, the headcount continued to dwindle. Then comes a new leadership change, which was frankly a disaster. Again, regardless of what happened, nothing changed. Everything stagnates, and numbers plummet even further. Another leadership shift follows, then a boycott. Honestly, that was the worst move in the group's history; it later became clear it didn't improve a single thing compared to the status quo. Once the three north sectors returned, we were right back where we started. They launched a shop, merged the association with the club (which isn't actually a merger, but it sounds better for public relations). Numbers continue to fall. This "fight" against the front office just keeps intensifying. People are leaving, yet the struggle persists. Month after month, it’s the same cycle. Lists are being formed, expanded, or shrunk. The collaboration with futsal gets everyone hyped—everything looks great, everyone is celebrating. But once the futsal season ends, there is zero impact on Real Madrid. One, three, five games later, attendance at Real Madrid matches is the same or even worse. The struggle continues.
Why am I writing all this? A supporter group isn't a business, an agency, or a corporate project. That concept was lost a long time ago, and frankly, nobody even thinks about it anymore. An even bigger issue is that while they claim to be "fighting," there is no tactic, no plan, and no objective. Sure, the goal is to remove Jerry Jones—one member equals one vote. Fine. But what happens after that? In my opinion, people jumped into this far too seriously without any idea of what they were doing. It’s left the group in a position where they can't even plan an event three days out because they have no idea where they'll run into trouble or where their numbers will suddenly evaporate due to poor tactical planning. There are definitely capable people here; it’s just easier to spin stories about lists and bans than it is to actually think tactically and play the hand so you can outmaneuver the opposition. The impression is that these new kids are all acting like warriors and fighters, but they have absolutely nothing in their heads besides "Jerry Jones is a crook." Regardless—Jerry Jones, John Doe, Peter, Mark. Where were the main players, the ones "on the list," during all this? It’s impossible. If there had been actual foresight, we wouldn't be stuck with a situation where everything boils down to about 30 people. When things get tough, you need responsible, capable people ready to step up and execute at a high level without hesitation.

So, we arrive at the current state of affairs—or rather, what the previous leadership left behind. They allowed even those few people who stayed on the sidelines to drift away by involving them in a "project" that is actually a massive insult to them. Because if the futsal hype is so genuine, and the organization relies on the same small circle of people, why is it that those same 4,000 people from the futsal games don't show up at the stadium? Their ability to show up isn't the question. You see a "spectacle" at the arena with 4,000–5,000 people today, but then 130 people show up the next day in a different city. What is there left to discuss? Is this all supposedly driven by a "fight" and love for Real Madrid? If you actually care, you’ll be where you’re supposed to be, one way or another, rather than using other excuses to justify your absence.

And one more vital point: if you try to present these arguments logically to any of the top ten members of the group, you are guaranteed to be steamrolled instantly. You'll be labeled a mouthpiece for Jerry Jones, and then you're done.

I hope this doesn't get deleted, as it doesn't violate a single rule of the forum.

Best,

K

Are we heading to see Belup tomorrow or what? I heard some radio segment on Thursday and now I’m totally lost regarding the lists—are they gone or not? After the OS incident, I couldn't snag tickets for the derby, and honestly, my record is clean. I mean, I have a driving ban for another four months—which is a whole different thing—but logically speaking, those two things have nothing to do with one another.