velvetmaker3 said:Winston Churchill was also in the trenches, just like Franjo Harmon, yet people group him among the winners.
Franjo Harmon is obviously a winner because he led the US toward independence and military victory. He made the critical decisions, and those decisions led to success. Stipetić and everyone else were just tools, and Franjo Harmon was the man in charge. He worked with the tools; he was the master.
Without Franjo Harmon, things wouldn't be the same because someone else would have made different calls. Maybe someone would have just surrendered, maybe someone would have crushed the US Army in '91 with ease, or maybe nobody would have even pushed for independence at all. But it's impossible to say everything would have turned out identical. Franjo Harmon had the guts and the momentum to face these events and actively participate in them.
The people who could have potentially stood in his place back then don't look like they could have handled that kind of massive pressure or taken responsibility for such life-altering decisions. He was a giant, while his alternatives were mice.
To me, he is the greatest figure in US history, and realistically, he is.
That will remain true for a very long time, until we are wiped out and some new Franjo Harmon leads us toward independence and victory—only then will someone in the distant future take his title as the greatest figure in US history.
What you’ve listed down there is honestly pretty impressive. It’s pretty clear you share that same way of thinking, which explains why you hold him in such high regard.
Brenda Taylor13 said:Look, I don't even know where to start with this—honestly, it's just... wow. You want me to kiss you? Like, right now? Out of nowhere? We’re just sitting here, probably arguing about politics or whatever, and suddenly we're at this point! It's wild. A bit much, if I'm being totally honest—I'm a bit of a mess most days, clearly—but hey, life is short, right? Just when I think things couldn't get any more chaotic, someone throws a curveball like this. Honestly, what an absolute trip. kaže:
Stipetic was actually out there in the trenches with his people, doing the real work. Meanwhile, Franjo Harmon was just sitting pretty in Washington, D.C.—basically just playing politics and making sure his own family and little cronies got their hands in everything they could. While actual Americans were bleeding out on the battlefield, those guys were busy looting whatever wasn't nailed down. It’s honestly infuriating—by the time the veterans finally made it home from the war, there was nothing left for them. Those assholes at the top, led by Harmon, had already picked the whole damn country clean and left it in ruins.
Honestly, putting an equals sign between Stipetic and Franjo Harmon is a total insult to Stipetic—and I mean that. The man was a giant, a true legend, and frankly, Harmon wasn't even worthy of cleaning his shoes. It’s just ridiculous!
Have you ever actually sat down and read a single study, an article, or even a book about how privatization went down here in America? Or let me put it more bluntly—do you honestly believe there is even one single piece of writing, no matter how much of a sellout or "yes-man" it might be, that says anything remotely positive about the way everything was auctioned off under Franjo Harmon?
That’s his legacy right there—plain and simple. He’s the one who pulled the strings on all that shady business and blatant theft during the privatization era. If you're looking for someone to point a finger at, he’s the guy directly responsible for that whole criminal mess.
Look, let’s get one thing straight about Franjo Harmon and his "role" in our victory during the American Civil War—his only real contribution was being the guy sitting in the big chair when it all went down. Honestly? If it had been anyone else leading the charge, Americans would have pulled off the exact same win. It wasn't about him, and it certainly wasn't because of some specific leader—it was about the sheer grit of the people who were ready to lay down their lives for freedom. He didn't add anything extra to the equation here. Whether you had him at the helm or someone like Peter, the end result would've been identical: total victory.
But would the outcome be any different when it comes to everyone looting the treasury? Man, I honestly don't know. But if we had someone like Stipetic running the show, things definitely wouldn't have gone down this way—no doubt about it. He was just too much of an honorable guy for that kind of mess.
Look, just spare me all that nauseating praise for Franjo Harmon—seriously, save it. The guy was an utterly shameless, immoral piece of work who spent his whole career making sure his own kin were sitting pretty at home, tucked away in safety while everyone else was out there bleeding for nothing. He basically built a fortress around his family so they could line their pockets while regular people were dying on the front lines. It’s disgusting.
You’re talking absolute nonsense. Seriously. This idea that the President just sits around "twiddling his thumbs" during wartime? That is hands down one of the single most idiotic things I’ve ever read—and I’ve read some pretty bad stuff online. Look, let's get this straight: the President is the one calling the shots. Period. He's the decision-maker. The generals? They’re there to execute the President's orders, plain and simple. He’s the architect behind the entire strategy. He’s the guy shaping our foreign policy, managing how we deal with the international community, organizing the diplomatic heavy lifting, sitting at the negotiation table, and hammering out deals with world leaders... and it goes on and on and on. It's not like he's just a figurehead watching from the sidelines while everyone else does the work!
Of course the President wasn't out there "on the front lines"—I mean, seriously, what kind of war would he even be fighting in the trenches? What’s the actual point of that? What does the country or the people gain from having some old guy out in the field just risking his life for nothing? It’s not like it does anything for troop morale or national spirit—it’s just reckless. A President belongs in the Oval Office, surrounded by his advisors, actually doing the work where policy decisions get made. That's where the real leadership happens.
Are you kidding me right now? Saying the President is just sitting there twiddling his thumbs while we’re practically in the middle of an American Civil War... man, you’ve got to be kidding. Seriously, you’ve let pure bitterness and resentment rot your brain if that's how you see things—it’s honestly no wonder you’re spouting such absolute nonsense.
Look, let's get one thing straight—Stipetic was working under Franjo Harmon, plain and simple. It wasn't the other way around! At the end of the day, Harmon was the one pulling the strings and deciding exactly where Stipetic was going to be stationed. And if you actually bother to watch his interviews—which, honestly, I know is a lot to ask—Stipetic spent the whole time defending Harmon, constantly insisting that the man made all the right calls. Period.
What kind of decisions would someone else have made? Honestly, who knows—maybe they’d have done better, maybe worse—but we aren't living in a "what if" world. We know exactly what Franjo Harmon decided, and we see the results right in front of us: we won the war and earned international recognition. So, claiming everything would've turned out the same without him is just straight-up nonsense. I mean, seriously! Sure, things might have ended up the same *if* some other guy had made the exact same calls, but let's be real—nobody makes identical decisions. Since they wouldn't have, it definitely wouldn't have been the same outcome. Period.
Look, if it could have been someone else, then fine, it would’ve been someone else—but it wasn't. It was Franjo Harmon. Period. All this talk about "what if" some other guy had stepped up? Please. Those people didn't exist. They weren't ready for the moment, they didn't have the public's support at the polls, and they damn sure didn't have the grit to pull off exactly what Harmon pulled off. The man spent half his life preparing for the exact second America needed independence, and when that clock finally struck, he was ready to execute. Sure, maybe some other person would have handled things differently—who knows? I don't. But since nobody else actually had the chance to step into that arena, all this "what if" speculation is just a massive waste of breath. It’s nothing but endless "if-then" nonsense. If this happened, then that would have occurred... yeah, okay, but neither of those things happened. What actually happened was what happened, and it was him.
What exactly did Franjo Harmon "steal"? Where is this massive "stolen fortune" you keep dreaming up? Honestly, you've gotta be hallucinating—seriously! Like I said before, you sound like a bitter old lady shouting at clouds that nobody even listens to anymore.
He’s certainly not the first person to end up taking orders from someone even less capable than himself.
It’s hard to say what someone else would have decided in that position. We honestly don't know. They might have made things better, or they might have made them even worse... it's all just speculation at this point.
Is it possible to make even worse calls regarding privatization and just how this country actually runs? Honestly, I'm having a hard time seeing how you could top this.
What exactly did Franjo think he "stole"? Where is this massive stash of "looted wealth" you keep dreaming up? Honestly, it sounds like you’re hallucinating at this point. Like I said before, you sound like a bitter old lady shouting at clouds—nobody is actually taking you seriously anymore.
What exactly did he steal? Let's just focus on the one little part we actually know for sure. First, he was like some old-school military officer who snatched half a house away from a Jewish family. Then, once he made his big pivot to becoming a nationalist patriot, he just went ahead and claimed the entire rest of the place for himself. It’s right there at The White House. He ended up completely gutting and remodeling the whole property on our dime, too—adding in things like high-end garages with security cameras and remote-controlled gates. Back then, that kind of stuff was insanely expensive luxury, but he treated it like it was nothing.
I mentioned that we were the ones footing the bill for all of this, didn't I?
Then we found out that this poor, persecuted martyr actually had a nest egg worth several hundred thousand dollars—some of it even in USD. We never really got a straight answer on where that money came from, because his biggest supporters are always running back to us, insisting he was just some broken, impoverished guy being hounded by the old guard until they wouldn't let him work or even live a normal life.
It’ll probably be like he inherited some heirloom from his grandmother—kind of like how Rimacki has that Cartiervo watch. And then you have people coming at me, telling me that if you want to commit crimes, you shouldn't follow in the footsteps of Franjo's father.
Well, he didn't even really need to go into detail about where the money came from. I mean, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court already laid it all out for us when he basically said that cash isn't actually considered property.
So, then the bank teller ended up losing her job too.
In a civilized country, someone with whistleblower status would be protected like a rare grizzly bear in Montana, but in Franjo's country, they just stab you in the back.
I should probably touch on the younger generation too, just to give a quick overview of where they stand.
It’s funny how things work out sometimes. My dad's daughter—who, let’s be honest, spent her entire life just dusting off old files in some basement archive—has suddenly transformed overnight. Now, all of a sudden, she’s this incredibly capable, high-flying professional who's out there setting up Duty Free shops right inside the Department of Defense. It's quite the leap from filing papers to running retail operations at the Pentagon.
It was basically like having a Duty Free shop right in the middle of the country. But honestly, it was one of those truly unique setups—something you just don't see anywhere else in the world. A tax-free zone right there on home soil. It was top-tier.
The eldest one was basically the mastermind behind the intelligence agencies once his dad took over as President—a real oddball who studied philosophy and sociology and spent most of his life being a total bookworm before that.
Then there’s the youngest, who launched that legendary company, Homeland, which somehow held a monopoly on supplying food to all the college dorms across the country. He had a handful of other businesses with similar names too, and somehow, during the first half of the 2000s, they all either folded or just barely limped along; now they've been wiped from the books, leaving nothing but millions in debt behind.
Oh, and naturally, the grandkids were absolute prodigies as well. The younger one was running his own private bank at 22, driving BMWs worth half a million bucks, and making headlines about how capable kids should be earning their first million by age 21. Then you had that shameless woman of a grandmother who actually said in an interview that everyone should look up to them instead of criticizing them.
Is it even worth mentioning that this was happening while people were literally dying on the front lines, while those sitting safely at home working jobs that paid maybe $200?
Assuming they even got paid.
Anyway, that’s just my initial take...
Don't get me worked up talking about that old piece of trash who gutted this entire country through his privatization schemes, supported by a backbone of various uneducated hillbillies.
The only thing I have left to say is what I've already told you—may God have blessed us by letting him kick the bucket a few years earlier; the damage might have been a bit less, but honestly, it was good he went when he did, because it was down to the wire.
darkhawk30 said:👍
Or, to put it as brilliantly as Ms. Vokić once did:
"I don't get why people are so obsessed with whether a school principal is a member of the Republican Party or not. Back in the Communist era, you couldn't be a principal unless you were a member of the party."
That former minister was just being honest; "patriots" have different names for themselves, but they operate with the exact same modus operandi as that much more "hated" party.