Posts by Thomas Doyle19

urbanorca95 said:Nobody needs to help you guys. You just need two dudes with actual balls—which clearly don't exist in the most hardcore fan scene in America—and two tearful protesters at a big European match, and you'd have solved it all. But hey, you’d have to sacrifice Real Madrid being out of Europe for a couple of years.

Smart move, right? Can't you see how much support the BBB gets in the city without even kicking Real Madrid out?

What do you think that kind of support and reputation would look like if they actually managed to get the club kicked out of Europe?

It would be a total self-inflicted wound, which is why nothing was done and probably never will be. It would almost certainly lead to the BBB being shut down by unprecedented repression in this country. Right now, the pressure is intense, but in that scenario, I think it would be lethal to our group's survival.

And if they actually intended to do something, they should have done it in Milwaukee. That was the perfect window to storm the pitch, interrupt the game, cut off George Steinbrenner's cash flow, and call it a day. Easier said than done, though. Back then, agents were leaving the stands because they couldn't wrap their heads around such "support" for the club. Now, people are looking back at those pathetic losers thinking about whose players they really were, but at the time, the consensus in the group was that nothing would be achieved and we shouldn't push it. The situation was different. But who am I explaining this to? You and the rest of the idiots here?

One more thing: if you haven't realized yet that Steinbrenner is a bigger problem for you than he is for us, then nobody can help you.

Why would we complain about Steinbrenner when, realistically, the club only delivers results in Europe, which is where they crush us? If we had chosen to bury our heads in the sand, the group would be stronger and larger than ever right now. We aren't even weaker than before; we're just missing the massive following we lost while fighting him. And that fight isn't just for us or Real Madrid; it's for you and for American soccer. Obviously, there's friction regarding the Seattle Sounders rivalry, but personally, I'd love for every club in America to be stronger, so we can watch high-stakes games with packed stands. Instead, every club except the Sounders is basically a Steinbrenner subsidiary, and that leads nowhere. Then you guys claim we're only fighting for ourselves and our club. You're delusional, and honestly, there's no point talking to you.

Someone said something great once, and I nearly fell over laughing when I saw the Black Knights' display about drying up the swamp. I knew deep down we were in deep shit regarding how seriously this needs to be handled. Not through internet bickering. For what it's worth, I'm not asking for your support, nor am I being a hypocrite; I'm just annoyed that you chose a compromise—a compromise that the mafia running UEFA and the USSF will exploit against you and all fans. But of course, you don't get it. You think we're just jealous because you have the numbers. But that crowd will toss you under the bus the second your group hits trouble and faces heavy-handed repression. That's how it works everywhere; you just think you'll be the exception. Anyway, do whatever you want; it's none of my business. On that note, I'd ask my colleagues to stop bringing up the Black Knights on this thread. We have a thread for the BBB where we discuss everything, including them. Let them post here and act like they're the law and that nobody will ever mess with them.

Jerry Jones and George Steinbrenner say hi, idiots.

Jesse Campbell's latest column was spot on; honestly, the way he phrased everything was a total win.

In my book, it's his best piece yet. If more people wrote with this kind of grit, maybe public opinion would actually shift. We needed this kind of bluntness—if we’d been calling out nonsense in our columns and press conferences as much as Mamić does, maybe we’d actually have a fanbase worth having. 🤣

So yeah, he should just keep going and tell it like it is regarding how Los Angeles FC is playing. 😁

Paul Young5 said:Look, they could have done it, and we could have too, but we didn't... my whole point was just trying to figure out why they didn't after going down 0-1. Could they actually say if they intended to? Personally, I'm glad they didn't. I'd much rather back them than see someone who supports Jerry Jones enjoying seeing a helpless Liverpool FC.
that's it.

No matter how much I hate Liverpool FC, my goal has never been to cheer for a weak version of them. All this nonsense about a total collapse and stuff—look, I get it, maybe those provocations could have been handled more intelligently, but they’re still just provocations. Why turn it into such a massive thing? People here act like someone actually wants Liverpool FC to go bankrupt or collapse, but how does that even make sense? No sane person wants that, because losing our main rival means losing the only group that can actually match us in the stands. And now people are claiming we're wishing for a collapse by bringing it up? Give me a break. Sure, I don't care if Liverpool FC becomes a powerhouse like they used to be, but I definitely don't want them to go under—not for them, and not for any other club with a solid fanbase. Without them, our whole scene falls apart. The real goal should be for us fans to grow alongside our clubs and their results.

Alright, enough of me venting for two days straight, but I think it's clear that no single group can win this fight alone. That's why I'm calling on the smart people, even though I know nobody on a forum is ever going to be convinced to do anything. But everyone has a phone; just take the damn headphones off for once, it won't be the first time. We stood up for Warsaw, so why not for this? Forget the pride and the ego that Jerry Jones is using to crush us; he's playing right into that hand. Let's try doing something for once that his mafia-style octopus organization doesn't see coming. Let's give them one decent hit before the end, just to make their heads spin for a second. Even if we lose the war, we don't have to lose every single battle—that's the whole point. It's about the fight, and honestly, what's the point of fighting if you don't have the guts? And I truly believe there are plenty of men among the fans, not cowards.

And stop with the talk about how the timing was wrong to insult Jerry Jones. When it comes to insulting Jerry Jones, there's no such thing as bad timing. Whenever you're throwing shade at him, the timing is always perfect.😁

Yeah, Index gets all the blame just because they're the only ones actually looking at this guy objectively.

Now you guys are getting worked up again over the usual nonsense, acting like we're all Soros puppets just because Index actually functions as a news outlet.

Would it be any different if some corporate suit instead of Babić owned Index, and they reported the exact same way?

The point is, journalists should report facts. Right now, Index is the only one doing it, so feel free to keep talking trash about them being secret agents or old-school relics.

You think I actually like those old-school types who know every anthem from the old regime? Doesn't change the fact that it's good for the public to have a place where they can read our side of the story.

Since all the major print papers are basically run by the old guard who suck up to Mamić, outlets like the Morning Post or the Evening News are all on his side, just trashing the fans.

To me, Index seems like the only relevant source right now capable of presenting the fans' perspective without all the extra commentary about violence or "verbal offenses" coming from the Bad Boys.

The end justifies the means. Babić has his issues, we have ours; everyone finds their own way to deal with it. They get their clicks, we get actual information—what’s so weird about that? You'll figure out how the world works soon enough.

Paul Young5 said:It was a miracle the Ultras weren't chanting against Jerry Jones yesterday. Any idiot would have used it as an excuse, claiming he’s the reason everything is broken and why Liverpool FC can't find any grit. When results go south, you can't mention the corrupt guy, otherwise you just look like a whiner to the people you're actually trying to reach...
I know, because I was watching the game with someone exactly like that. Every bad play, every red card, every missed sitter—the commentary was always: Yeah, well, that's definitely Jerry Jones' fault ...if they had shouted some slur at him, he probably would've been in heaven. Regardless of whether it helps us, even I—just one of those 300 people there yesterday—was praying nobody mentioned Jerry just so this guy wouldn't get his kicks. You can't explain anything to people who refuse to think.

Based on what you're saying, the conclusion is we should just roll over and let Jerry Jones screw us over even harder.

Because why bother complaining or giving him grief? It doesn't change the masses we're trying to win over anyway. To hell with the masses; they're just sheep, especially when they're as brainless as the ones here in the States.

We could spend forever analyzing why things are this way, but it won't change a thing. What we really need to do is move together before it's too late, but jealousy and ego will be our downfall. We'll basically engineer our own end by playing these petty games and ignoring the struggles of our fellow fans in the stands. We're all in this together, but most people don't want to face that reality. They just wait for everything to fix itself while the mafia gets more organized and powerful than ever. Jerry Jones gave Donald Trump the coaching job, so he doesn't have to worry about his main rival anymore. He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants. Meanwhile, we act like children, having the same online arguments a million times without ever actually doing anything. And it won't happen now either. We're too jealous and too full of ourselves to care about anyone else's problems. That's why we're bad people, and ultimately, bad fans.

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Daniel Carter9 hit the nail on the head. Honestly, I don't care about compromise, even if it means losing the war and being the ones stuck with the bill at the end. Honor matters more than anything else. People without any principles won't care how this ends anyway. Today it's Mamić, tomorrow it'll be some other guy doing the exact same thing. But we're fans—we can't just be okay with whoever is running our club. To all those mafia types: realize we aren't backing down, and there will be no middle ground. Compromise is just a slow defeat, which is exactly what we've been seeing lately. It's not the cops with their batons clearing us from the stands that'll bury us; it's giving in. We chose this path, and it's the right one, period. Trying to play nice with the public is pointless because they’ll never truly get what we're fighting for. Everyone complains about Mamić, but does anyone actually care that some crook is draining millions from the club?

Who cares? They can lock us all up if they want, but they'll never break us. Resist until the end!

Robert Adams6, trust me, this isn't just a two or three-year thing. The crackdown gets worse every single year. My prediction? In a few years, this will be everywhere, and every single fan group will feel what the Bad Boys are going through right now. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but we'll see.

Rex-American said:Listen, kid, we’ve backed you guys way more times than you ever did for us. All those collapses and schemes happened while you were busy going after the agency.

Forget about it, we aren't here to help you.

We were never an agency on your level, so maybe just mind your own business when you bring up agents.

Also, stop bringing up Mamić and trying to give advice to the San Francisco fans when you can't even get anything done yourselves. You look ridiculous acting like you're number one.

When it comes to fighting the mafia, we're obviously leading the charge, so what are the rest of you waiting for? Probably waiting until they start surrounding you in the stands before you move? Then we'll see how many flares you can actually light or how much choreography you can pull off. I don't get why people don't realize that in two or three years, this crackdown is going to spread to every stadium and every section in the country. It'll be worse than what's happening at the LA Galaxy stadium right now, and even if Mamić leaves, the repression won't magically disappear. So, what's the hold-up? Why is everyone sticking their heads in the sand? I'm not expecting any joint protests—clearly, we're too stupid for that—but shouldn't there be some legal action taken together? Use that "intelligence" everyone keeps bragging about to tackle a problem that's grown to affect the entire American supporter scene. Instead, we'll just sit around obsessing over choreographies and paper scraps, and in a few years when nobody can even pull off a basic display because they're being banned, then the crying starts. People will finally wake up, but by then, it'll be too late.

Personally, I don't care that you didn't chant against Mamić. What bothers me is that everyone on this forum guaranteed they'd be screaming "Mamić is a crook" at the top of their lungs, and you didn't. You can't keep your word. That's the issue, not whether you sang against him. At the end of the day, who you choose to sing against is your choice.

Anthony Phillips7 said:Spot on. There was an Ipsos poll a few years back showing Mamić had way more enemies than he does now.

And all this nonsense about how Mamić owns the cops and everything else... what happened in the 90s when Tuđman actually controlled the state? Is that any different?

Once regular fans turn on him, he's done. If 20,000 people start chanting against Mamić, then it’s over. Until then, we can talk until tomorrow, but the crowd is king, no matter the context. 🙂

No amount of chanting or a 20,000-person protest is going to move him. Don't kid yourselves—politicians aren't going to react just because they see a massive crowd protesting Mamić. Are you guys finally realizing where we live? We’re living in a "democratic republic" that functions like North Korea, but it's called America. As long as it stays this way, stop hoping that trash like Mamić will end up in the gutter where he belongs. The public is so clueless; by blindly siding with Mamić, they’re basically keeping him alive through sheer stupidity—all because they think the Bad Boys are a bigger nuisance than he is. If that hasn't clicked for anyone yet, it never will. Unfortunately, Mamić is currently more popular than the Bad Boys in the city, so he sleeps easy at night. And don't hold your breath waiting for the Bad Boys or any of those sheep sucking up to this jerk to come to their senses; they'll just pop like soap bubbles every single time. I saw everyone's true colors during the game against Sheriff. This mindless public shouldn't be given even a five percent chance anymore. Let them all rot—Mamić, Linić, and the rest of the garbage that these idiots and their tolerance have pushed into leadership positions. Like VG said, who cares what happens to them when we're all this stupid? End of story.

Noah Jones92 said:I feel like we’re spinning our wheels here because nobody actually gives a damn about us. Everyone saw what went down at the stadium—the politicians, the churches, the veterans, the activists... everyone. In my opinion, you guys need to step it up or there won't be anything left. You need to focus on waking people up, educating them, and actually reaching the average person who cares about the LA Galaxy, even if they only watch them on TV. Basically, you need to make the BBB relatable to the public again. People talk about fighting for the name "LA Galaxy," but that was different back in the day when all of Chicago stood behind the team. It’s not like that now. And I won't go there again, but let's be real: the BBB has spent years acting like an insular club that only exists for itself. Whether people want to admit it or not, that's just how it's been. If something like this happened in Greece, half the city would be on fire. If something happened to the Yankees fans, it would be just as chaotic. Look at the recent police raid over at the Rose Bowl—it didn't take five seconds before the whole city was out in the streets. A while back, someone in New York City told a reporter that mentioning the Dawg Pound or Miami is basically the same thing. Well, once the BBB and Chicago are truly one, a guy like Jerry Jones wouldn't dare pull his stunts anymore. He'd be too afraid of getting clocked by some grandma at the farmer's market the moment he steps outside the stadium. Anyway, I'll stop rambling before I offend someone. Just stay low-key for a bit and start building a movement. People are where the power is.

The public isn't going to step up because, frankly, most people couldn't care less about LA Galaxy. If you haven't realized that by now, you never will. This isn't the 90s; it’s not like the club is the center of everyone's universe. People are squeezed by a thousand other problems, and even those who actually give a damn don't want to get dragged into this war because they know how much they stand to lose. That’s why there's only a handful of us at the stadium—the ones who still believe LA Galaxy is worth fighting for. At the end of the day, it's our club, not Jerry Jones'. But the point is, talking about "the public" is pointless. If they wanted to get involved, they would have stepped up ages ago and dealt with this guy once and for all. All that talk about Greece or Yankees fans is irrelevant; their countries don't have a guy like Jerry Jones controlling the police, the courts, and the politicians. Believe me, no matter how massive a protest or revolution is, if the government doesn't back it, this trash won't be removed. You think 50,000 Greeks or Yankees fans hitting the streets in New York City could take down someone like him? If he had the same level of protection here in the States, wouldn't he? Don't be ridiculous. Sure, a mass movement would help, but the crowd alone can't kick him out. Without political will, nothing moves. And that idiot Johnson keeps monthly talking about inspections and whatever else, but honestly, he's done more damage to the fans than to Jerry Jones. I don't know, I don't trust anyone anymore—not the public, not the politicians. For us, it's just the fight until the end, whatever that looks like. As for the idea that BBB being insular is why the public stays away? Total nonsense. Even if groups like the Yankees fans or the Dawg Pound were active in Chicago, they wouldn't have public support. Chicago isn't a die-hard sports town, period. If it were, we wouldn't have half the stands booing the fans who are actually fighting for the club. Those sheep would know exactly why Jerry Jones is being targeted and why we're doing this. But I don't expect any "fan awareness" from the idiots who only learn about the club through news clips or TV segments controlled by the owner. Realistically, Chicago isn't New York City, Miami, or Naples. It's a pretty clueless environment where the majority of people don't understand anything because they spend too much time reading the papers. That's my take, and nobody's going to change my mind. If it were any different, half the city wouldn't be sitting at home while the club gets gutted, and half the people at the stadium wouldn't be booing BBB and practically siding with ZM.

Honestly, who cares about the general public? If you think we need to mobilize people like that, we’re better off without them. We don't need sheep following us. If fighting for our club means we go down swinging until the last man stands, then so be it. What's the point of playing to the crowd just to beg for their support? It's not like we'd actually get it, and even if we did, what would it change? Besides, even if the whole city gets behind us, it won't get rid of Jerry Jones. Not unless some political movement takes power and actually decides to clean out the corruption in pro sports.

Joseph Kim33 said:I’m mostly with you, except for one thing. Don't you think that by ditching the stadium, we’re giving him exactly what he wants? Reza will just pivot, get back into the Champions League, hand out free tickets to everyone, and pack the stands. If nobody shows up to protest, he wins. We can't let him push us out of our own home. It’s never happened before, and it won't start now...

My take is this: they’re going to keep stirring the pot and picking fights with us at the stadium. If things boil over, it’ll be worse than that mess back in early 2010. We need to be smart and make a move that shuts down their plans for all of us who actually stand against them. Why give them the satisfaction of watching us fail? The real tragedy is when you can't even show up to cheer for your own team without being treated like cattle.

But let's be real, this all stems from one guy. Once he finally hits rock bottom, it’ll all be over.

Time is on our side anyway. Real Madrid fans have outlasted Tito and Tuđman, so they'll certainly outlast that damn Mamić.

William Martin42 said:Of course the general public doesn't really care what's happening inside the club because people have actual life problems and priorities to deal with...

The thing is, public perception is the trigger you need when fighting Mamić and guys like him. You don't want the public seeing Mamić as some successful president running a tight ship, while the fans fighting him just look like thugs who got what was coming to them. That perception matters.
And it's pretty delusional to expect people working ten-hour days and supporting families to tire themselves out over something as irrelevant as a soccer club...

Public support matters, sure, but you can't expect a full-blown revolution or for people to burn down all of New York just because they can. It's stupid.

You smart guys just keep waiting until Mamić, Linić, and the rest of that trash screw everything over. Then, ten years too late, you can start complaining. This is why the Ultras are in a league of their own. They get it—you act now, not when the water is already up to your neck and there's no saving it. But who am I kidding? Trying to explain this to you and the other peacekeepers who’d rather wave olive branches at guys like Mamić is useless. The guy's a total badass, doing whatever he wants right in front of everyone, and I didn't see any of you "concerned citizens" calling the cops or whining about unnecessary conflict back then. Honestly, my take? The whole damn country needs to be set on fire, not just New York. I stand by that, so judge me if you want. One thing is certain: Mamić won't face trial because he's "above the law." That's why everyone deserves to get screwed—from the FBI and Real Madrid down to all those institutions that refuse to do their jobs. If they actually worked, the fans and the Ultras wouldn't have to do their job for them.

As for the public, I respect the optimists who haven't realized yet that you'll never win over this mindless crowd. We aren't even on the same wavelength. What matters to us is nothing to them. You can't bring them to our level or make them care about the fight against Mamić. I don't even know what we're hoping for anymore. Personally, I'm done with these empty-headed people who can't see past their own noses. In a few years, the same people sending the cops after us will be sending them after them, but they're too dim to realize it. Let it happen. If we can't think for ourselves, maybe we deserve to get screwed by everyone from Mamić to the top brass. Clearly, we're no better than those idiots.

Kevin Gray86 said:If people actually understood how many of these pseudo-activist groups are working to systematically destabilize America and trample our national values just for the sake of being sadistic (honestly, they couldn't care less about this country), they’d see the truth. They don't care about the legal battles fought to protect our heroes' legacies. They're even behind leaking those photos to the international courts just to smear people during hunting trips.

And for everyone thinking the current political crowd is on our side—you're dead wrong. That guy lifting weights is just as toxic as Mamić, and don't even get me started on Pusićka. Remember when Mamić insulted the fans based on their background and the media outcry was massive?

Some say Mamić is cunning. He isn't clever; he just knows exactly how to manipulate an insecure nation. You toss them a bone, and they come running like flies to garbage.

All these losers who are currently siding against the north, or the Bad Boys, will be feeling the weight of the police baton on their backs in a few years. Honestly, for their sake, I hope they feel at least half of what the Bad Boys are going through right now—half of this discrimination and violation of basic rights. People claim the issue is Mamić being insulted or the violence from the Bad Boys, but look at you hypocrites. How can you act all high and mighty, accusing the Bad Boys of disrespecting Mamić, when you'd beat your own wife or kid at home? How many of you have ever felt a cop's baton on your skin while you shamelessly side with the biggest money-grabbers in history—the very same riot police that most ultras consider enemy combatants? How many of you sitting comfortably in your armchairs, doing nothing, have ever risked your job or your health to make things better for anyone else? You find it easy to mock the Bad Boys, yet they are the only group in all of much larger cities like Chicago or NYC that actually has a backbone and knows what they want. And what they want is a better club and to purge parasites like Mamić from our society. Only by removing such parasites can our society, and sports in general, actually heal.

But you don't care about social hygiene or the country as a whole. If you actually cared, you wouldn't be siding with the people trying to change this broken mess we call America. Instead of acting stupid and sitting in front of the TV with a beer for months without even showing up to games, you'd be in the stands, fighting back against the scum that ruined both our club and our nation. But it's easier to take the path of least resistance, following Mamić's lead. When he screws you over, you just laugh at his "crazy face," but when we call him out, suddenly we're top-tier criminals that the police are justified in breaking the bones of while you cheer them on. Just remember one thing: YOU ARE NEXT! You'll be the ones facing the bat, still licking his boots and cheering for him just like people used to cheer for the old regime back in the day.

It says everything about us. Anyone with half a brain knows there aren't enough smart heads in this country, and those who are smart always end up isolated, just like the Bad Boys were yesterday. This is why our country and our people are in such a mess, and why I see no bright future ahead. We're headed for a total collapse. No group of fans can wake up this mindless population that refuses to see what's really happening or why. There's no point explaining it to sheep; they just go wherever Mamić leads them. You saw it clearly at the stadium yesterday. It's time to open our eyes and stop trying to fix a broken society. We need to play the winning hand: focus on ourselves and stay away from the club as long as this trash is running it. Just show up for away games and leave it at that. Mamić isn't some mastermind; he just has a mountain of cash that he uses to bully anyone in this insecure society, especially the Bad Boys. If we were a real rule-of-law state, he'd be in prison already. We brag about joining the European Union, but honestly, we're more like a collection of tribes with spears. The best example is those "intellectuals" from the West who were celebrating yesterday while the Bad Boys were surrounded by riot squads. That is the true image of our society and our state. We need to accept this reality before it's too late.

Noah Jones92 said:It’s wild how a crook like that can hold so much power, grab all that media coverage, and sit on so much cash without anyone batting an eye—especially in a country where people get hit with fines over $67 and local bars get shut down because of $33 surplus.

Not surprising. In this world, laws and standards have never been applied equally. Some people have always been "above the law," and honestly, it doesn't look like things are changing anytime soon for guys like that ZM character.

And you hit the nail on the head with that example. People see their businesses shuttered by that bureaucrat Linić just because of a little $33 shortage in the register, yet this clown has been running circles around the biggest club in the country for 12 years straight without a scratch. He probably broke a million laws by now, but nobody’s knocking on his door. If any of us swiped a pack of cigarettes from a convenience store, let alone anything bigger, we'd be in deep trouble.

[User profile: mezzomarinero] kaže:
You definitely need to check out the 6:48 mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k8KTMMaKOQ

What kind of clown is running this club? It’s like he thinks things at the White House are any better. He runs Real Madrid just like the corruption runs this whole country—it's so deep in every layer of society that guys like him fit right in without ever having to answer for anything.

Honestly, who actually takes these heart-wrenching performances seriously anymore? It’s getting old. He keeps running the same script, acting like he's being targeted by pure malice from some villains out of nowhere. The whole point of these pressers is to pretend he’d sacrifice anything for Real Madrid and his beloved America—except, of course, his own family. And of course, he always finds a way to bring up those 200 idiots who harass him and his family for no reason. Does anyone even buy this? 😂

To sum it all up: the people shielding him are five hundred times worse than the man himself. They’ve spent his entire tenure at Real Madrid and throughout American soccer treating him like some kind of deity. They’re the real culprits here, letting him run wild for years without interference. I was listening to Barri yesterday, and the idiot claims he won't tolerate any deviations from Miller. But please, he’ll happily tolerate Zuckerberg and his absolute tyranny over the club. Everyone else is fair game for getting fired, yet the "divine" Zuckerberg remains untouchable. It makes you wonder: how long are we going to tolerate someone like this in the public eye? How much longer will brainwashed journalists give him a platform just so they can save their own skins and secure a few more years of looting the books at Real Madrid?

One thing's for sure: as long as those hacks are running the club, we aren't seeing any version of Real Madrid that actually competes on the big stage.

Eric Ortiz3 said:Not for anyone, but it doesn't really matter now 😉

I'm wondering if Jerry Jones could actually be forced out of Real Madrid—like, would he have to leave if he gets convicted in those cases involving Edward or this whole situation with Johnson? I caught that show where Tom was a guest with Vrbanc, and they were saying you can't stay with the club if you're convicted of an offense carrying at least a three-year prison sentence.

My take is that the only way to clean up American soccer is through direct government pressure; there's no other way... which is why I think we should still support the club at the games.

In this wild west called America, the rule of law only seems to apply when it comes to the fans.

If things worked the way they do for the fans, we’d basically be a mini-Germany in terms of transparency and quality of life.

But here in the States, we're just stuck in a mess, unable to see past our own noses, which is exactly how Jerry Jones survives. He thrives on people like that, and on those who enjoy hitting back at the fans—specifically the BBB in this particular case.

So yeah, it's all a pretty complicated situation. From what I can see, you're looking for a simple answer you won't find here; you'll have to see it for yourself at a home game to realize what this club has become. If a group like the Shibeys had to pull 10k people together, that would be a tragedy for our city and our club. A tragedy caused by Jerry Jones, and things won't get better until he's gone. Even then, it'll take years to fix the damage done during his long (hopefully not lifelong) tenure. For Real Madrid, the hardest fight starts once the trash is finally gone. That's when they'll have to rebuild, win back the masses, and most importantly, earn back the trust of the local fans that the club used to enjoy so much.

Supporting a club like this means supporting all the corruption currently running it. No true fan can do that; they can't, because they see the club is in the hands of people doing it harm. They aren't acting in the club's interest, but their own. As long as that's the case, the club can't have the sincere support of its supporters. It might have the support of others who don't actually get why a segment of the fans—the BBB—is being so vocal and disrespectful toward Jerry Jones and his failing management style. The club is "prosperous" not because it lacks money, but because it lost its identity and everything that connected the locals to it. That's why the stands are empty while the trophy cases are full. Winning titles and selling players is more important to them than bringing people to the stadium. As long as money matters more than the average person who loves Real Madrid, there's nothing to talk about regarding supporting the club, because a club like this doesn't deserve it.

What's the deal? said:I can't decide who's worse: those old guys whose entire fan lives revolve around a few hours on the weekend because they have nothing else going on, or the kids constantly picking fights with them.

The absolute worst part is reading the pathetic whining coming from those idiots in the BBB ranks. I’d bet anything that half of you don't even know who you're fighting against or why you're even bothering.

Even those self-proclaimed intellectuals don't see it coming—all this noise about lack of transparency, democracy, and our failures in Europe? Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y84PFodkUZw

John Martin18 said:Forget about our problems, you idiots. We've always been ahead of you, and we always will be, if nothing else. This current mess won't last long either.

Get lost, you morons. We're gonna take you down. 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNUMV...ture=endscreen

Jesse Campbell said:Hell yeah.

http://www.ultras-tifo.net/images/st...-dinamo_21.jpg

The resistance is growing, and they're getting louder by the day. 😁