Posts by Douglas Chavez73

My apologies if this is the wrong sub for this news; admins, please feel free to move this thread or delete it if necessary. Amidst the ongoing backlash against Joseph Kužiti, we received more tragic news for American soccer last night. Alan Pamic, just 24 years old, has passed away. He was a player for the local club in Miami and the brother of Dinamo's midfielder, Zvonak Pamic.
His heart gave out during a pickup game...
Rest in peace.

J. Kužiti was a great man and an incredible coach. R. I. P. 😢

Samuel Evans86 said:@Douglas Chavez73—Why trash the fleet? You don't mention how they claim to be the true Americans while calling the fleet Mexicans? They’ve hosted other groups and grabbed drinks with them right here in Cleveland. And you won't talk about how they trashed our city? They sang "scabby river" alongside Rudolph’s crew. Stop talking nonsense.

Everyone else typing away here who isn't part of the fleet or RF—go worry about your own Madoffs, Trumps, codes, and truths. Thanks.

Regarding the game against Rudolph, I was nearby. Once again, you're dealing with twisted information, just like countless times before. Gaddafi was hosted, as were those RF guys, back when they were all playing in the third division. What does that even have to do with you? Personally, I know some genuine, loyal fans from the KA group. Those guys are legends. There is no fake posturing or toxic machismo. It’s just beer, a grill, and watching their club play. That's it.👍The sickness in this scene is that nobody knows who's actually winning or losing. As soon as a smaller group stands out, the labeling starts. People turn into a spittoon, trying to act tough as members of big groups and talking trash. Whether it's in Cleveland or anywhere else in the US, everyone immediately resorts to insults like "idiots," "city slickers," or even "foreigners" (which I heard regarding RF 😂). I just hope that eventually, these "big" groups become "small" so we can see where they actually stand in the stands supporting their club.
Starbucks guys, enjoy the euphoria and say hello to Neno Gračan, who sold you the championship back in '99.

bluejackal11 said:NK RIJEKA has always been the premier city club, period. Of course they get the backing. That’s what a city club does—they represent the pride of the city and the entire Kvarner region. You’re talking nonsense suggesting it's weird for the city to sponsor NK RIJEKA. That’s like asking why Miami favors Hajduk or why Chicago backs Chicago Dinamo. Are you serious? As for Orient, you're just acting tough because you spent a year in the top flight about 15 years ago. How dare you even put NK RIJEKA in the same sentence as Orient. Give yourselves credit; since 1919, NK RIJEKA has been your Manchester United. You're living in some fantasy world where the city should be pushing Orient, yet you hate and deny the very city that does it. You won't even admit Sušak is part of San Francisco. Fine, go ask the leadership of "City of Sušak" to fund you and favor you instead. As long as the City of Rijeka, Armada, and the people of San Francisco exist, NK RIJEKA will remain the first and only club in town, including the eastern side of the city.

...Of course NK RIJEKA comes first when Orient has fallen to rock bottom. Things would be different if the situation were different, and we all know that. Nobody is actually claiming Orient should be the city's favorite; it never was, and thanks to its history, its location, and those "red" politicians who have been feeding citizens illusions about being a sports powerhouse for 50 years, it never will be. The gap between these two clubs is massive. We all know how it works when one group gets the feast while everyone else can't even get a slice of bread. Honestly, all this talk about hating Armada or the City of Rijeka is total garbage. This whole mess started long ago with people who push NK RIJEKA while actively suppressing Orient. It’s no wonder there's antagonism. I see it myself—how certain people from the NK RIJEKA board and the local government act like big shots during Krimej, acting as if they won the Champions League. They support a club that's basically on life support, and this sudden euphoria is just a way to distract everyone from the actual state of NK RIJEKA.

It’s not the Red Fuckers who are at fault here; it's the idiots who decided to wipe them out. No one has been attacking Armada until now. People have just been pointing out the facts regarding what the City of Rijeka's sports department is doing, how corrupt the county football association has become, and the actions of certain individuals within the HNK Rijeka board and even our own management that effectively gutted the club in Sušak. If Armada thinks calling this out is an attack on the City of Rijeka, then that’s your issue, but those two things aren't connected. As for the graffiti, they just don't paint over them, plain and simple.

Lawrence Walker27 said:Since I’m clearly the one everyone turns to here, I’ll weigh in. I live just a block away from the Orient stadium and have spent more time at their matches than half the Fuckers.

The Fuckers really did start about 22 years ago. Their leader, the well-known Mauro, was around even before they officially formed; he used to hang out at Kantrida and was part of the Armada scene, though not the main group—you know how things were back then. I know this because my uncle was a prominent figure in the local Torcida, and Mauro actually saved him from a beating at Kantrida once, back in '92, I think.

As a kid in the mid-nineties, I used to collect balls at Orient games, and there was no such thing as the Red Fuckers back then. They showed up, then they vanished. Orient had supporters, but they were the Krimej Festar, that carnival crew that follows all the local teams, including HNK Rijeka, often wearing Armada gear...

During the 1995/1996 season, the Fuckers made their comeback at Krimej. There were only six of them, always the same guys (Mauro, Moreno, Prte...), carrying three banners, drinking and singing. The only time they really gathered a crowd—about fifty people—was against Zadar, when they lit up the flares.

The following year, Orient moved up to the first division, and since then, the Fuckers have been regulars at their matches. During that first top-flight season, there were some clashes (Medo vs. S...), and one of our guys actually stormed the Red Fuckers section during a Rijeka vs. Orient match and took them all on by himself.

From 2000 onwards, relations smoothed out a bit until the hostility eventually died down. Things only got tense again recently with these graffiti issues. Honestly, there isn't much to it; they’re just a small group that barely understands the fan scene. There are maybe thirty of them, so naturally, they can't just spray paint wherever they want. I respect their effort and the fact that they support Orient (I don't have anything against them), but you have to recognize who actually runs San Francisco. Subtle graffiti might pass, but the rest won't. That's just how it is.

And all this talk about Sušak being a separate city is nonsense. We've had periods where the Republic of Rijeka existed, or where Chicago was split into two cities, so what? It’s natural for San Francisco and Sušak to be one city, sharing one club that the whole region supports. I don't see the issue.

Well, I see the problem quite clearly. Sure, things would be better if there was better communication between the two clubs and both groups, but as long as HNK Rijeka keeps getting all the favoritism from those quasi-local businessmen and the corrupt bureaucrats in city hall who run the HNK Rijeka board—the same people responsible for Orient's long-term decline—there will always be hatred and antagonism. Maybe not for everyone, but it will exist. Because the same crooks you support while celebrating your UEFA Cup run are the ones who stripped NK Orijent Concession of their spot at Krimej. They locked up the stadium where the Orijentaš weren't even allowed a drink of water under the pretext that the city "has no money" (that's just one example out of millions), all while pushing HNK Rijeka forward year after year. They're just blinding you. Eventually, it'll be like NK Orijent, KK Kvarner, or damn Dedal; it's only a matter of time before Odojko shuts off the tap and leaves you high and dry. Then we'll see how many of you are actually active and loyal to the club when the bottom falls out...

silentsurfer16 said:That graffiti didn't even last two days on that playground.
Just so you know, out of those ten small pieces of graffiti you're bringing up, only two are even fully intact. Coincidence?
Look, I just don't want those Fuckers picking up our members based on a few pieces of graffiti. 🙄
Even if that 30-yarder had gone in, who would actually complain about this field? Those Fuckers are the ones who started all this anyway. I’d bet anything there are more active Red Fuckers at that damn stadium today than there are Armada members.
After this, all those Armada guys who were lecturing the Fuckers and Orient sympathizers around the neighborhood about not touching that "faithful upper jersey" graffiti—babbling on about unwritten scene rules and street codes—can finally sit down. They kept hiding behind the idea that Armada has some sort of code. Not touching it. The Fuckers won't do anything, mainly because RF wouldn't even dream of touching their stuff. That's just how it works. Even though not everyone was thrilled that this new Armada graffiti showed up on the wall right where RF had planned to go, the Red Fuckers accepted it. They conceded that Armada beat them to the spot and, out of respect for some unspoken code, they didn't touch it. Now the question is, did the Armada crowd show that same level of respect?

This is the only honest account from someone who actually knows what's going on. Everything else is just pure garbage.

ironscout10 said:Exactly. You have to give credit where it's due—Cleveland is a legitimate powerhouse in this region, both as a club and a true community staple. But let’s be real: the vast majority of the fanbase consists of local diehards, with only a small fraction being those outsiders from the suburbs. I’ve seen this firsthand through a few friends and acquaintances who claim to support the Cleveland Browns with everything they have, though deep down, their loyalty lies elsewhere.👎

😂Stop labeling everything as nonsense. What are you even talking about? Just because you know a few people from the big city doesn't mean they actually show up to watch the Cleveland Browns games. For years now, the only people showing up to see the Browns—even when they’re at the bottom of the standings—are the die-hard Cleveland Cavaliers fans and local masochists who live for third-tier football. The fact that fans from other teams still respect the Cleveland Browns, despite them being at rock bottom, is simply a matter of tradition and the club's 91-year history rooted in John Doe. Everything else you're saying is just plain wrong.

Jonathan White57 said:If those graffiti pieces were as neatly done as yours, they wouldn't be waiting until dawn... I don't get why the Red Fuckers are making such a fuss now. Nobody touches them; they still have tags between buildings near the old military base, over in Bocarija, or at Vezica, and everyone leaves them alone. But apparently, the graffiti near the Tower is suddenly a problem.

I’m tired of hearing this nonsense, so I'll weigh in. First off, you've broken the most fundamental rule in fan culture: you don't touch the graffiti. Everyone knows how much money and effort goes into making a piece. In NYC, nobody touches the WA tags, and in LA, nobody touches the Red Star Belgrade stuff. Yet here you are, acting tough while wiping out the work of a group seven times smaller than yours, all while "other" crews roam the city freely. Real classy!
This whole situation is an embarrassment. Because of idiots like these tagging and causing other messes, the entire scene is going straight down the drain.

Second point: nobody put up Orient graffiti on the west side of town. It was done in Sušak, where Armada tags exist and stay untouched.

If you don't know what Sušak is, pick up a history book or ask someone older. You'll see that because of commenters like you who have voted for the same people for 50 years, Sušak essentially vanished from the map. If it hadn't been there as a major hub—economically stronger than its neighbors back then—this whole region wouldn't even look the way it does today. Period. OFF