John Ford
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Dennis Martin6 said:Look, I get why people watch him—if they’re trying to check a box on film history class—but otherwise, I just don't see the draw. Especially when you compare him to what Welles or Kurosawa were pulling off back then; Ford's camera work feels sloppy and dated in that context.
Same goes for a good chunk of Hitchcock's catalog—just another director who's been mythologized endlessly.
Sorry for responding to a post from almost four months ago, but I just hadn't seen this until now...
I'm not quite sure if this is a standalone thought that isn't referencing anything previously written, or if you're partially replying to Joshua Smith regarding Ford's style and then adding your own take on his camerawork.
If it's the latter, Reed is talking about a film from 1939. Neither Welles nor Kurosawa were even filming back then, and it’s actually interesting that you picked those two specifically, since they were both huge admirers and fans of John Ford's work.
Even setting aside "The Searchers" and "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," I consider Ford's peak creative period to be between 1939 and 1941. During those years, he made four pivotal films that truly cemented his legacy; besides "Stagecoach," you have "Young Lincoln," "The Grapes of Wrath," and "How Green Was My Valley." When you watch those movies, I honestly don't see anything sloppy or outdated—they have aged incredibly well. At the time, some of them represented the absolute pinnacle of social realism in American cinema, and they still hold up perfectly today.
As for the Hitchcock comment, that's even further from the truth. His stylistic choices and camera movements in many of his films and across various periods are incredibly inspiring and can still serve as a textbook for filmmakers today. Look at the car chase ending in a close-up in "North by Northwest," the subjective shots in "Rebecca" or "Notorious," the entire composition and camera movement within rooms in "Rope," or again, the way he builds tension in a single room through subjective shots in "Rear Window." Then there's the famous framing (subjective vs. objective) in "The Man Who Knew Too Much," and the techniques used in "Vertigo," and so on.
Look, Hitch knew how to pull a fast one, I won't deny that, but generally speaking—he isn't overrated or mythologized; he is a truly great director.
Besides, De Palma, who is one of the greatest stylistic masters in film history and responsible for some of the most iconic sequences ever filmed (like that museum scene in "Dressed to Kill"), has expressed his lifelong inspiration and the influence of Alfred Hitchcock multiple times.
Anyway, talking about Hitchcock here is a bit off-topic. It feels a little silly to be debating Hitchcock in a thread dedicated to Ford.