Posts by Kenneth Campbell64

mellowhawk34 said:@Kenneth Campbell64/">@@Kenneth Campbell64 and @Lawrence Walker27/">@@Lawrence Walker27, seriously, just cut the crap and stop fighting. Neither of you is actually going to listen to a single word the other says because you’ve both already made up your minds, end of story.
@ER, let me set you straight: since the year 2000, there hasn't been a single conflict where we weren't backed by Demon supporters. Sure, maybe some guys only show up for home games, or they hit a couple of away matches a year, but those guys aren't kickboxers or MMA fighters. They're just fans.
The reality is, there are people in this group who train in all sorts of sports but they still show up to every single game.

And all this back-and-forth bickering, plus you calling out specific names of your own people? That’s just asking for trouble with the cops. You're basically handing them a roadmap.

Also, just to touch on that little comment about how you guys were the first to do this or that back in the Yugoslavia days—look, I respect history, but nobody lives in the past.

Look, man, let's drop the fighting. If you ask me, this was actually an interesting debate, even if we did get a bit too bogged down in the weeds without trying to provoke each other.
You know what kind of situation I'm dealing with right now, so bear with me if my thoughts are coming out a bit scattered. 🤣

I honestly don't get who thinks it's a good idea to play out in Cleveland with maybe 300 or 400 people watching. If the Football Federation actually gives a damn about the sport, they’ll just let the match happen in San Francisco instead...

Just having a regular conversation with the guy, even if we don't see eye to eye on everything—that’s what this forum is actually for, right? ☕ Regarding the match against Hajduk, here's how things stand: it's being played at Kantrida, and the DP92 crew isn't budging an inch on our stance.
THE FOOTBALL FEDERATION ARE TOTAL LOSERS, YOU COMPLETELY SCREWED THE SPORT!

Lawrence Walker27 said:Look, I’m not stuck in the past. I was one of the first people to actually take the Demons seriously. Our scene isn't what it used to be when a few hundred guys would show up in Cleveland just to wait for the Fandom, you know? Nowadays, you’ve got these organized groups—groups of forty guys who actually know each other and travel together constantly—who can easily hold their own in a fight. You keep harping on about how old everyone was, but let me ask you: out of those 35 guys, who was actually older than the guy born in '84? Take that guy you guys beat into the pavement, for instance; he doesn't even travel for away games much. Before that San Francisco trip, he probably hadn't been anywhere for two or three years. He's maybe 24 at most, but he looks like he's 15. And honestly, there were at least ten guys people claimed were there that I’ve never even laid eyes on. You had guys like the 24-year-old, the 23-year-old, and the 22-year-old who are the core crew, but I’m telling you, nobody was older than the '84 kid. As for the security detail, I know you guys are familiar with that setup. How do I know? Because I was heading back from an away game once and got picked up by a San Francisco local near Chicago. We started talking, he asked where I was headed, and he ended up telling me how he doesn't usually go to games, but he once jumped a Cohort group alongside the Demons (I think it was at a train station). The guy’s a security guard and trains kickboxing. From what he told me, there were a few other lone wolves like him who have nothing to do with the Demons. I don't know about what happened at Monte Carlo; I wasn't there. Again, our main heavy hitters—the 20 to 25-year-olds—haven't crossed paths with your original crew yet, so we'll see who's actually tougher. There were ten guys from that group at Monte Carlo, but the heavy hitters were missing. One time we didn't show up for a friendly because of the national team, and another time... I don't know, but we aren't looking for trouble with you guys any more than you are with us. It’s hard to motivate people, especially the older guys, to travel to games that might involve the Demons, especially when they fall on a weekday around two or three in the afternoon.

There were definitely more guys over 25, unless they all faked their birthdays to look older ☕. Regarding the Cohort, there were three clashes during the Uljanik-Osijek quarterfinals, and if I remember right, two games during the Pula-Osijek match. Honestly, I don't know who you're talking about, but I guarantee you that at Monte Carlo, it was strictly DP92 members. So, your main crew wasn't even at Monte Carlo. Who was it that you saw near Walmart? Probably the same guys who rarely travel for away games, right? Come on, man, what exactly do you mean by "older"...

Lawrence Walker27 said:You really think the Navy and the Equal Rights Movement are on our level just because our younger crew took a beating in San Francisco? Give me a break. We’re talking about a group that was respected across the entire former Yugoslavia—easily top five. We’re the ones who caused those legendary riots at Yankee Stadium. We were the first ones to rip a banner down from the Maracanã while the Yankees fans watched in shock. We’ve pulled away thousands for away games, and back in San Francisco, we showed up with 800 to 1,000 people three different times. For the last 13 years, we haven't dropped below 500. Ever. We used to roll with flags on dual spears. We’d pull off pyrotechnic shows with over 200 flares. We traveled through Europe backing the US. We snatched over 20 banners from the Fandom. We even stormed the Cohort when they were stuck in that first police station downtown. From '96 to '02, we were the undisputed best group in the country, all while our club was fighting for its damn life just to stay relevant instead of fighting for titles. Remember 1996? Cleveland couldn't find a win for six months straight. We’re getting thrashed 3-0 by Hajduk, and what do we do? We chant non-stop with a hundred flares going. Or 1999? Getting crushed 3-0 by Partizan, losing 1-6 overall, and the entire stadium is singing the exact same song for 45 minutes straight. I could go on forever; this whole forum wouldn't be big enough to hold all the examples. In the 13 years I’ve been following Cleveland, we haven't missed a single away game. Well, except for that one time when 150 people skipped the trip to Indianapolis to head to Chicago for a handball match instead—you know, the one where Unknown slapped Boxer around the arena? (Even then, I bet at least one car still made it to Indianapolis). To this day, the Boysi ask me about those old crews—Unknown, Unknown, Unknown—who between 2001 and 2004 couldn't pass through Chicago without causing absolute mayhem. Like that time before the game against Dinamo Chicago in 2002, when 50 guys rolled through the city and slapped anyone in their path. That crew knew how to take a hit, sure, but man, did they command respect.

In my book, the Demons are easily one of the top six teams in the country right now, but let’s be real—you guys aren't even in our league. We’re pulling in over 200 people to head out to Luxembourg in the middle of a regular work week during peak tourist season? And that’s even when we aren't even playing at our best! Sure, maybe the Navy doesn't get to roam around San Francisco quite like I did back in '04—back when I was walking to the game with Bartić and a buddy, scarves around our necks and banners tucked in our bags—but your old-school crowd hasn't even gone up against us younger guys when we're all together, and don't even get me started on how we handle the veterans. Besides, in the last five or six years, you guys have practically bolted from Cleveland ten minutes before the whistle twice now. What happened to that toughness?

Look, man, you’re living in the past. Seriously, get a grip—you can't pay the bills with "glory days" and old reputations. You think people don't remember? Just tell me one thing: who exactly was standing there by the Walmart or over at Monte Carlo when you guys got absolutely laid out in both those fights? Don't even try to pull that crap about everyone being just some "kids." We all know exactly who was there. It’s better to just be honest for once and own up to what happened instead of spinning these fairy tales about being teenagers. I mean, how are you gonna claim the oldest guy was only 24? We all know the exact birth dates for every single one of those 35 people. And please, stop with the pathetic stories about how you were actually protecting people from the Demons. It's embarrassing. 🙏Seriously, what else could we possibly be missing? A few heavy hitters to actually show up? Let me say this one more time: I’m not talking about the 90s. I’m talking about the last five or six years where we haven't won a single damn fight. We started failing right from that ridiculous "friendly" match between Uljanik-Rijeka 2003 and Milwollov—if you know, you know. And don't even get me started on everything leading up to Monte Carlo. Honestly, why bother even mentioning it? You guys didn't even show face for the last two friendlies against them!

mellowhawk34 said:@Lawrence Walker27/">@@Lawrence Walker27, you’re still missing a few matchups, but whatever.
Back in '96, we were nothing to you guys, absolute nobodies. But now? I’d say we’re finally standing on level ground. Sometimes we take the hit, sometimes you do. Nobody stays invincible forever.

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Look, back in the day, we were total trash compared to you guys, but over the last five or six years, the whole vibe has shifted. There’s actual mutual respect now, and honestly, having more equal powerhouses in the MLS is just better for the whole scene.
mellowhawk34 pretty much nailed it. The bottom line is that Hell and the Armada are playing on the same level now, and nobody's untouchable. No point in overthinking it anymore. ☕

Lawrence Walker27 said:Your crew has been pretty much at the top of our scene for the last few years, but man, I still remember some seriously pathetic displays. There was even a time you guys were left without a banner—and in the supporter world, if you lose your banner, you’re basically dead. I remember back during a handball match in San Francisco, a few of the first-team Hell guys were hanging out with us and mentioning they weren't sure who they’d even support now that California had dropped out of the league. They said some wanted to jump ship to Cleveland, but they couldn't reach an agreement. Honestly, when I started going to games back in '96, those Hell guys were just a pathetic little group, barely even twelve kids. That year, though, about 200 of them showed up in Miami for a game that decided whether California or Cleveland stayed in the league. First, one of our guys gets shoved by two Hell guys in front of the East, then the Navy storms the pitch, climbs onto the fence right where the Hell guys were sitting, and starts shouting "Hail Armada!" In both '96 and '97, the Navy was roaming around San Diego, brawling with cops and stadium security, and the Hell guys were just standing there, totally mesmerized. By 2000, photos from San Diego were all over America; the Navy stormed the field, beat up a couple of guards, and snatched a banner or two from the Hell guys, and they? They just stood there like total statues. For the last six or seven years, we've realized the Hell guys actually aim for us. Once, during a basketball game while Mirza (that boxer from San Diego) was trying to calm the Navy down during a scrap with security, the Hell guys smashed the glass on a bus in the parking lot. Then in 2004, Njeg_ _ _ _ defended himself against about twenty Hell guys using nothing but a chair. Another time, we were downtown, hanging in a cafe for hours, and we grabbed two scarves from the Hell guys and tossed them on the floor right in the middle of San Diego. Not a single Hell guy showed up to do anything.

The biggest joke of the Hell crew was back in 2006 when thirteen of us chased eleven of them away. Out of those thirteen "tough guys," there was Đo_ _ who was only 12, Ri_ _ who was 13, Kol _ _ 13, Ki_ _ 17, Mali Bo_ _ _ 17, plus three guys over 20 like Be _ _ _ 26, Čv_ _ _ 22, and L_ _ _ 23 who was the only one left standing. What's even worse is how you guys played it up on the internet like it was some big victory, even though thirteen dudes chased you into a cafe, and once you fled because the first cop was only five meters away, you "bravely" popped back out and hit the one guy who stayed behind. There’s more, but I’ll save the biggest embarrassment for last: that time during our last encounter where we got jumped despite us having more people, maybe 40 against 30 (truth be told, a lot of us were just kids, the oldest was Ž_ _ _ 24). Rumor has it security was with you guys then—you tell me if that's true.

I’ll answer this from the perspective of the new generation, because you can't live in the past. To be honest, we actually used to get along with the Navy at first—like when you guys came to visit for our 10th anniversary, or when we showed up at Srdoč before the match against Orient.
Back in the 2004 San Diego-Cleveland matchup, were you even on the Forum?
Defending yourself against 20 Hell guys with a chair on the Forum? Haha, what kind of tall tale is that? Just like those heroes from Monte Zara last year who ran into the entrance crying because they were scared. Let’s go back to 2004: about 20 Navy scarves and a few jerseys were confiscated. We showed up on the Forum, and your crowd was running in a panic, locking themselves in a nearby cafe, except for one guy holding a chair. But while he was standing his ground, the Hell guys were already losing it because the cops were swarming since it was right in the heart of downtown. You got photos of the scarves and jerseys burning; you guys were getting attacked all day long.

At that basketball game outside the arena, we clashed with the police and couldn't even get to you guys. Besides, you guys got beaten up pretty good inside the arena by the Black Winds, so you just sat there nicely with your hands above your heads. 🤣, and that’s why there are photos to prove it....

Maybe when you guys finally rolled into downtown, thinking about that San Diego vs. Cleveland match, you decided it wasn't worth picking a fight. After the game, your three guys start heading toward Monte Zara, and we actually caught one of yours on camera—the guy filming how many of us were hanging out by the cafes. You walk past the shops, the cops show up at the exact same time, and suddenly there’s zero conflict.

Picasso, look, it was hard to tell exactly how many of you there were because if I remember right, you all scrambled from behind the bus. Sure, some of you retreated into a cafe, but don't give me that crap about being scared. A flare goes off, the crew storms out and jumps a few of your guys who didn't run fast enough. Yeah, the cops were close, maybe that's why you backed off, but still, eleven people shouldn't be "strolling" through downtown Cleveland. Again, check the photos.....

Norway in Cleveland.... a few of your idiots were acting up and got knocked out by Hell, while the rest of you were basically shitting yourselves.

Vojvodina(?) vs. Cleveland in Medulin..... on the way back, things went down near the grocery store, and you know exactly how that ended....

Monte Zara... don't try to sell me that story about "kids," claiming the oldest one was only 24. We have names, last names, birthdays, and addresses for all 35 of you who were up there. Security 🤣. Your guys come from the top side, firing off a few flares, throwing torches and rocks at each other, but we held our ground and pushed toward you. Then, you guys retreat downhill, leaving your own people lying in the street. And let me mention your "legendary hero" again—the guy who ran into the entrance crying his eyes out, screaming that Hell aren't cowards. That kid from your group—and I know this because he was calling your D. to get your former member from San Diego to come pick him up—was so terrified he couldn't even explain where he was, just kept rambling that we were following him. There's even video of you sprinting down Monte Zara.... A few of your guys walked away pretty banged up without any real consequences...

The Orient-California B crew—our group of 30 shows up in Cleveland unorganized, walking from the station.... You guys arrive at Krimeja, and that's the only time the police actually catches us.... You all bunch up above the stands near the RF once the game has already started, and that's it.... that's a loss for you guys...

California vs. Cleveland, last summer, friendly match in San Diego, you guys didn't even show up....
Rovinj... California vs. Cleveland.... you guys were MIA, claiming you had an excuse because the national team was playing...

That's just a quick rundown of what I've got to say... I don't feel like getting into some deep, drawn-out debate over this...

bluewalker92 said:Personally, I think the Demons are a decent group. They look killer, if nothing else, just because their color scheme is actually unique... But seriously, let them finish a season—two, maybe more, if we're lucky. For them, that first game was basically the Champions League after spending forever in the lower leagues... Whereas for us, it’s just another Yankee Stadium situation following a string of bad results from Cleveland, which meant even our turnout was slightly below average...

But honestly, who gives a damn about how someone handled an away trip to the "ugliest stadium in the country"? 😁

Look, back in MLS Division 2 and 3, the Demons put on some top-tier displays and choreo. We traveled everywhere, we went toe-to-toe with every other crew coming into town... Realistically, 80% of these groups would have gone extinct if they had to grind through what we did, yet we just keep getting stronger year after year. The reason is dead simple: the core of the Demons has been the exact same for 10 years. That's our massive advantage—we don't fold just because of one bad result or a couple of lousy games. Now, the group finally has something the Demons never had before.

If you guys have any shots from the pitch, go ahead and drop them...
Honestly, though, the Armada has been pretty damn impressive this season.

Solid release. How many of you actually showed up? Was it like 150 or 200 people?

Killer choreography. Mad props to the folks from Oakland.

Paul Taylor2 said:Let me tell you one more time, I’ve been talking to a bunch of older fans from the coast, and they laid out exactly how things are playing out on your side. To me, you guys are still the breath of fresh air this league needs. It’s a damn shame you’re acting so worked up, just like most of those young punks from Portland... You'll always be my favorites in this league, but man, that mentality of yours is just killing you.

I have no idea why you think I'm all worked up. Seriously, I was writing about situations firsthand—stuff I actually witnessed myself—so if you look at that, maybe you'll realize I've got some actual years on me and I'm not some hyperactive kid from Portland like you seem to think. As for Thomas Moore25, I'm basing that on conversations with your guys from the coast who were actually there, or at least talked to people who were. This is my last post on this topic. See you guys next game.

Look, I’m not trying to be cocky here, and honestly, I don't even care enough about your opinion to stress over it. I’m being real because everything I say comes from my own damn experience. Besides, you basically admitted yourself that you guys got absolutely wrecked in our last two matchups, so what’s the point in even arguing? It's pointless... See you at the next game...

So, you’re telling me thirty guys wearing demon shirts just strolled through Seattle like they were on some damn sightseeing tour? Look, man, you’re living in the past. Those were the days when you guys actually used to own the streets in San Francisco... Let your little group of 35 people keep selling that fantasy about what happened at Monte Zaru, because we all know exactly how that went down. It’s easy to run away and play it cool, isn't it? Haha... Honestly, I’m done arguing about this here. If you really want to go at it, we can take it to the DMs, because there’s zero point in trashing this thread.
What have you guys actually accomplished in Newport that’s worth mentioning? Like that time you hired a few of our guys at Bill to bail you out, only for you to lose your minds when all thirty of us showed up at the top? And if you think you're talking about Krimej, you're probably thinking of Picasso. We could go on forever about that—why we retreated to the cafe, why a couple of your guys ended up looking like they stepped into a boxing ring in those photos, or why you guys bolted the second we burst out of the cafe and left your own people behind. Again, if you want to keep going, hit my private messages. I'm not trying to ruin the topic.

Hyped up 🤣
We were totally pumped for you guys, but honestly? Watching you all try so hard to act "tough" just made you look pathetic... you lost us completely.
Shoutout to the clown hanging out by the entrance—heard he’s the one running this whole forum with nothing but lies—and a quick hello to that fraud from the bus 🤣
Peace out from the gummy bear crew, catch ya at the next showdown 😍

Such a cute little guy, always dodging any actual, logical answers when things get real...🤣

So, what was that whole scene with the group of middle schoolers heading out to watch Seattle vs. Texas in Key West? (If I’m remembering right...) Haha. Just a bunch of tourists wandering around, maybe 30 kids all decked out in Demon shirts, basically just tourists from San Diego ☕. Seriously, why didn't you show up for the last friendly match in San Diego? Are you intentionally dodging Monte Carlo?
Don't tell me there were a bunch of little kids there too...

I’m sticking by my decisions, period. No amount of hype from some big shots like the Kansas City Chiefs or the LA Lakers is gonna change my mind... We aren't seeing a game at Malibu unless we're playing an away match against Seattle. They were expecting us up at Ucka, and look, everyone knows deals can be made behind closed doors, but for them? Giving in to the fans would be like lifting a massive boulder off their shoulders 🤣

US Soccer is treating Orlando City SC like a stepchild

I still have these images burned into my brain—rolling meadows, pastures, and some "stadiums" (if you can even call them that) we had to endure while following Orlando City SC on the road. Looking back at those days, the injustice done to Orlando City SC just cuts deeper. While they're busy building a state-of-the-art stadium in San Diego—pouring something like $10 million into it even during this recession—on the other side of town, there's a pitch where the temporary license to play in the top flight was flat-out denied. By doing this, US Soccer basically kicked Orlando City SC a hundred miles away from our home turf, making it a hell of a lot harder to stay in the big leagues and forcing us into an unfair fight against everyone else. It’s obvious to anyone with eyes: there is a massive difference between playing in front of packed stands fueled by fan chants and playing in front of empty seats in dead silence. Let’s not forget, over two thousand people used to show up for some second-division games, and back in the day, Orlando City SC actually pulled some of the biggest crowds in the league. So now, while the fans in San Diego are starving for football, Orlando City SC is forced to play their home games in Seattle in front of maybe two hundred people. And let's be real, football exists because of the fans, right???... or at least, that's how it's supposed to work...
An old-timer from the old North

škorotav haha, you really think you're smart, don't you? Is it not true that you guys got wrecked outside Walmart and that we absolutely crushed you at Monte Carlo? Is it not true that our group of 30 showed up totally unorganized in Seattle, while you guys couldn't even bother to show up for that last friendly match in San Diego? Look, I'm not looking for a fight here, just give me some straight answers to those questions...
Until the next matchup, 😍, you better start counting down the days, hours, and minutes haha
We aren't going to sit here and bicker like little kids on the internet. Honestly, I think it's actually in your best interest that you finally found some decent competition through Ucka ....

What are you even trying to say, that we’re scared? 🙏 I mean, seriously, what if all the games happen at once and the Navy needs to show up for an away match? You clearly aren't one of those guys who actually travels to away games anyway. If we were actually intimidated by some little group of kids, thirty of us wouldn't be strolling through town during a meaningless friendly against the Seattle team just to get jumped by some tiny crew. We definitely wouldn't be running circles around the Walmart or cruising down Monte Carlo 🤣. I’m not about to sit here and argue with you on the internet... besides, there's only a few days left...