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Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
Honestly, I wouldn't mess with the Latency... I tried it myself and it was a disaster 😉 ended up with a corrupted CMOS 😉 there are just way too many parameters and I managed to screw something up...

My board ran an Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 at 300x9 (it hit 333, but it was running a bit too hot for my liking) and right now I've got an Intel Core 2 Duo E2200 running at 280x11... and that's with pretty mediocre cooling, just a Blue Orb II which isn't much better than the stock cooler... so I think you've still got plenty of headroom left...
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
These temperature readings are driving me absolutely insane... honestly, I could barely find two programs that actually show anything remotely consistent—just Tat and Hardware Monitor. Everything else is garbage... that Core Temp app doesn't understand a damn thing, it just sits there showing -37 constantly. 😉

Anyway, I just did this real quick; I’ll mess around with it more later... gonna try dropping the memory voltage.

But look, I can tell you I'm happy... 3GHz is solid for an 8800GTS, and at least now I don't have to stress about the heat. Man, when my Intel Core 2 Duo was hitting over 80 during Orthus, I wasn't exactly losing sleep over whether the sensors were accurate or not... I've never fried a component in my life, so why start now? 😉
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
Got my hands on this new E2200. It’s from that 21xx series—65nm, quad-core, 2.2GHz. Seems like it runs a little hotter than the rest of the 21xx batch...

So, I pulled out the old E4300 (1.8GHz, quad-core), which I had overclocked to 2.7GHz (9x300). That thing used to run crazy hot. My setup is a Gigabyte P35-DS3 board, 4GB of Kingmax RAM (2x2GB 800MHz), and a Blue Orb II cooler...

I pushed this one to 3.0GHz (300x10). FSB is at 1200, memory ratio is 2:3, running at 450MHz (900 effective) with timings of 5-6-6-21-2T. Idle temps are sitting at 35 and 32 degrees. For context, my old E4300 was idling at 47 when it was at 2.7GHz!

I've been running Intel Thermal Analysis Tool under full load and temps never cross 64. Even under Orthos, they don't even touch 60. It holds steady for about 20 minutes and then just crashes...

Anyone have a guess why? Is it because the FSB is a bit high at 1200, or is it the Kingmax 800 sticks being pushed to 900?
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
Hey, man...
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
FINAL REPORT:

260 x 11 = 2866.50 and HT link at 781.8, memory sitting at CPU/7 = 409.7 with 5-5-5-15 2T... none of the temps even hit 50 and the stock vent stays at 2600 after running Orthus for several hours...

Idle temps are around 35-37 and the vent runs at 1200.

So, that's basically it... every other attempt just resulted in a reboot... obviously, I didn't touch the voltages and I don't plan to because I don't need to... I just wanted to see how far this could go...

Ultimately, once you actually figure out what's going on, a simple OC isn't that hard—you just have to know what you're doing, otherwise....

I tried setting my memory to 533, but then it just gets even slower with the same latencies, and if I bump it to 800, the motherboard won't allow it and kicks itself right back into safe mode... My attempts at manual latency tweaking are officially over... yeah, by pulling the battery from the board... my shaky knowledge of overclocking isn't enough to handle that massive page of endless parameters without messing something up... so I'm calling it quits on that.

BTW, I dug through this F4 BIOS pretty thoroughly and couldn't find anywhere else where I could adjust the memory divider except through the memory speed settings...

The lesson learned here is that I should have immediately fired up my second rig, a Dell OptiPlex with dual 4000+ CPUs and 4x1GB Kingmax 800, just for fun—lesson learned... though that board has way fewer OC options than the S3H.

I'm happy with this OC; it's over a 30% jump. For comparison, that Vista Experience Index (which I know is useless) gives me a 5.5 for the CPU and 5.5 for the memory, while the exact same Vista setup on that 4000+ at stock settings shows 4.8 for the CPU and 5.0 for the memory (!), and when I lightly OC it, it hits 5.0....

Interestingly, if it's using consistent criteria, it means 32-bit Vista doesn't really care much about dual-core processors and prefers higher core speeds instead....

My overall verdict on this S3H board with the F4 BIOS is that it's so well-built you can't mess with it even if you try... the second you tweak something it doesn't like, it immediately drops into safe mode... honestly, good job on that.

BTW, the processor costs $90...
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
Absolutely nobody?

Quick update:

I tried overclocking just the HTT, but if I push it to 280, the BIOS boots straight into safe mode and wipes all my settings. At 270, the BIOS accepts it, but Windows can't handle it and just keeps rebooting. Looks like 260 is my ceiling...

There are a few other settings in there, but I have no clue what they do, so I'm leaving them alone for now...

If I mess with the memory, superunknown mentioned on PCE that I could easily bump it to 4-4-4-12. Do I just change those specific values in the BIOS, or do I need to go through everything one by one (and at what levels)?

Since I can't figure out the actual CPU temp, I downloaded CPUID Hardware Monitor too. It’s showing me the exact same thing as PC Wizard—identical temps and bus speeds... The most annoying part is that the website says there's built-in support for LE Athlons, and it recognizes it fine, but then it shows Core #1 at -48 degrees and stays stuck right there...

On the bright side, if these voltage readings are actually accurate, this Shrotex Frontier power supply is hitting its rated voltages perfectly and staying rock solid... 12V is sitting at 12.03, though -12V is at -12.61 and 5V is down at -4.35...

Running Orthos right now. Been going for about half an hour and the temperatures (not even sure which component!) are 43 / 48 / 47 while the CPU fan is screaming at 2600 RPM...
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
So, I put together a new toy and finally got it running the way I wanted, so now I'm
trying my hand at overclocking. 😉 My experience level is basically zero—total noob here. The only thing I've
actually done is spend some time digging through the literature on the forums, and here is what I've got...

I picked up the CPU on sale at Best Buy for about $35, and it seems decent. Even though it's running
Windows Vista Business 32-bit on integrated Radeon 1250 graphics (I allocated
256MB out of the 2GB RAM, and Vista treats it like an Experience Index of 3.7 (!!!!)), I decided to give it
a little extra juice. I bumped it from 2200 up to nearly 2900, which is over a 30%
increase, so that shouldn't be nothing. Anyway, what did I actually accomplish here? How much of this
is actually correct, logical, and acceptable? I'm asking the experts to weigh in, please...

Specs:

Athlon 64 single core LE-1600 64/64/1024 cache stepping F3 @2200 MHz, multiplier 11, 45W, stock cooler
Gigabyte MA69G-S3H, Award F4 BIOS
2x 1GB Kingmax PC2-5300 667 MHz

Frontier Opera case with a 400W proprietary power supply, dual rails 14/15A
NEC DVD IDE
2 x Seagate 250GB SATA2
Zaptv analog TV card + HW MPEG2 (3DClub)
Integrated Radeon 1250 with Catalyst 7.12
Zalman 80mm fan running at 7V next to the CPU

Windows Vista Business 32-bit

In the BIOS:

Cool&Quiet is disabled
HTT = 260
HTLink = 200
That's it. I didn't touch anything else.

Idle BIOS temperatures:

System: 43
CPU: 43
CPU Fan Speed: 2327 RPM
System Fan Speed: 1646 RPM

---------------------------------------------

CPU-Z:

It recognizes the processor, motherboard, and memory correctly, stating:

Core Speed: 2866.9
Multiplier: 11x
Bus Speed: 260.6
HTLink: 260.6
Memory: 2x 1GB Kingmax PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
Timings: 5.0-5-5-15-20-2T @ 1.8V
FSB/DRAM = CPU/7
It says the memory is running at 409.5 MHz with 5-5-5-15-21-2T timings

-----------------------------------------------------

CORE TEMP:

260.59 x 11 = 2866.53 MHz
The temperature reading is stuck at -49, so it clearly has no clue...

---------------------------------------------------

PCWIZARD 2008:

Everything is recognized properly, and after an hour of running Orthus, it reports:

Original: 2200, Overclocked: 2866.89
Chassis Fan: 1646
Proc Fan: 2586
Proc Temp: 43
Proc Temp (Diode): 13
MB Temp: 48
Power/Aux Temp: 51

The CPU fan changes speed once it hits 1700 RPM. The CPU temp and that diode value (whatever that is)
stay constant, while only the MB temp (from 40 at idle to 48 under load) and
the Power/Aux temp (from 36 at idle to 51 under load) actually move.

------------------------------------------------------

My questions are:

- What have I actually done here? Is this okay, or should I change something? (The system boots fine,
doesn't throw any errors, and survived an hour of Orthus before I got bored waiting for it to crash)
- Why does HTLink show 260 when I set it to 200? There isn't even a 260 option in the BIOS,
just 200, 400, 600 -> 1000. If I set it to 400, the whole thing crashes.😉
- How am I supposed to know the actual CPU temperature now? By feel? If these readings are mixed up
and the MB temp or Power temp is actually the CPU temp, then it's insane that a 45W chip
runs this warm on such a pathetic, cheap stock cooler!
- It's really easy to get confused because PCWizard is clearly swapping values; it shows 3.3V for water
and 1.8V for memory right next to each other, and they seem to switch places.
- Is that Kingmax 667 really running at 409.5 x 2, and is that safe for it?
- Should I mess with the memory timings or just leave them alone?

Anyway, if anyone has a spare moment and the patience to comment on this, I'd really appreciate it...
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
I haven't messed with the graph yet....

Didn't touch the voltage either. I set it to 9x333; the SPD offered me 2.4, claiming the memory would run at 800...

Everything's a 5/5. It works, no errors popping up. The POST only mentions that the memory is interleaved. From what I can tell, it's some mode where they fill the memory using specific channels for every block (not quite dual-channel—even though it says dual-channel is enabled). Seems like one of those high-end motherboard features, some kind of server-grade trick....

Temps after heavy gaming: the GPU doesn't go over 60 and the CPU stays under 50...

But once I run Orthos, everything goes to hell—the processor spikes aggressively toward 80 within just 10 minutes. Clearly, I need to fix my cooling, but I honestly can't believe this...

The second I boot the computer, CoreTemp shows 45, regardless of whether I have the Zalman CNPS-8000 on low or high.... Doesn't matter to him. Then the CPU temp climbs to 50-51 and just sits there....

Look, I know Zalman isn't top-tier, but it shouldn't be this bad that it can't keep the CPU under 45 while idling. This thing is a beast with a massive aluminum heatsink and a 120mm fan.... Even if I just had a standard 120mm fan, it should be able to cool it down. On top of that, I'm running the case completely open, and I've got another Zalman 80mm fan running at 7v right next to the CPU.... Something's definitely not right here.

Anyway, as long as I don't run Orthos, everything's a 5/5.....
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
--------[ Windows Home Edition (c) 2003-2005 Lavalys, Inc. ]------------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v2.20.405/US
Computer GAMER
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (Windows XP Retail)
Date 2007-12-16
Time 00:14 Computer

Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Installed Service Pack Service Pack 2
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0 C)
Computer Name GAMER

Motherboard:
Processor Unknown, 3000 MHz (7 x 429)
Motherboard Model Unknown
Motherboard Chipset Unknown
System Memory 2048 MB
BIOS Type Award Modular (09/06/07)

Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS (320 MB)
Monitor BenQ FP202W (Digital) [NoDB] (1708963)

Hard Drive Hitachi HDT725032VLA360 (298 GB, IDE)
Optical Drive PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-112 SCSI CdRom Device

Hard Drive SMART status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 94593 MB (39356 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 210649 MB (87099 MB free)
Total Size 298.1 GB (123.5 GB free)

--------[ Overclock ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Processor Information:
Processor Unknown
CPUID (Processor Name) Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 4300 @ 1.80GHz
CPUID Revision 000006F2h

CPU Speed:
CPU Speed 2996.80 MHz (original: 1800 MHz, overclock: 66%)
CPU Multiplier 7.0x
CPU FSB 428.11 MHz

CPU Cache:
L1 Instruction Cache 32 KB
L1 Data Cache 32 KB
L2 Cache 2 MB (On-Die, ATC, Full-Speed)

Motherboard Information:
Motherboard ID 09/06/2007-P35-ICH9-6A79OG0NC-00
Motherboard Model Unknown

BIOS Information:
System BIOS Release Date 09/06/07
Video BIOS Release Date 01/16/07
Award BIOS Type Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Award BIOS Message Intel P35 BIOS for P35-DS3 F6
DMI BIOS Version F6

--------[ Sensor ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sensor Information:
Sensor Type ITE IT8712F (ISA 290h)
GPU Sensor Type Driver (NV-DRV)

Temperature:
Motherboard 30 °C (86 °F)
Aux 51 °C (124 °F)
GPU 63 °C (145 °F)
Hitachi HDT725032VLA360 42 °C (108 °F)

Cooling:
CPU 4500 RPM

Voltages:
CPU core 1.39 V
+2.5 V 2.08 V
+3.3 V 3.30 V
+5 V 5.00 V
+12 V 0.90 V
+5 V Standby 5.16 V
VBAT battery 3.10 V
Debug Info F 96 FF FF
Debug Info T 51 30 254
Debug Info V 57 82 CE BA 0E 00 05 (77)

--------[ Windows Graphics ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS ]

Graphics Card Info:
Device Description NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
Card Name GeForce 8800 GTS
BIOS Version Version 60.80.0D.00.02
Chip Type GeForce 8800 GTS
DAC type Integrated RAMDAC
Installed Drivers nv4_disp (6.14.11.6375 - nVIDIA ForceWare 63.75)
Memory Capacity 320 MB
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
He says this:

BIOS version: F6

CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) - disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor 2 (TM2) - disabled
CPU EIST function - disabled

9x333, PCIe lock at 100

The Democratic Party settings offered me 2.40 and said the memory would run at 800 MHz

Vcore left at standard 1.325

Robust Graphic Booster - Turbo

It boots up fine. It reports the CPU is overclocked and says the memory is running in interleaved mode—what the hell is that?

EVEREST is reading everything wrong; it says the clock is 7x429 = 2996.75, which is a 66% OC

Temperature readings are also totally off.

External sensors: the CPU temp on the heatsink fins doesn't go over 38, and the GPU on the case doesn't cross 40.

The BIOS sensor shows the CPU at 35, and after struggling with it for half an hour, the highest it hit was 51.

That Nvidia software is also half-wrong, though maybe it gets the GPU right; after thirty minutes of playing Crysis on almost all High settings, it says it's 61...

Everything seems okay, nothing's glitching, for now... My son is playing and hasn't complained yet... 🙂

Oh, yeah, I didn't even gradually bump it up; I just jumped straight to these values...

I think I'm done touching it. It's great as is. The jump in speed and graphics quality(!) is obvious, even though I saw online that this board can actually hit 490 FSB...

And honestly, what's the difference? I've seen people OC with 8x400, but then there's the memory and heat issues—is it even worth it?
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
Alright, here’s the setup: just slapped an E4300 into a new Gigabyte P35-DS3 with a Zalman CNPS-8000 cooler... RAM is currently 2x 1GB AData at 800MHz (until Monday, then I'm adding two more because I want to try Vista), and the GPU is a Gainward Bliss 8800 GTS with 320MB...

So, I need some help... Look, I did a messy job putting this together. I get the basic vocabulary and the general principles, but beyond that, I'm out of my depth...

Specifically, what exactly do I need to do to push this E4300 close to 3GHz? People say it can handle it without needing massive tinkering, messing with voltages, or swapping out the cooler...

Also, Gilbert mentioned once that this card can be overclocked like crazy. Well, I don't need "crazy," but if I could bump it up a little bit without too much pain, I'd love to—if anyone knows how...

Before this, I was running a GA M55S-S3 with an X2-4000+. Now that I've swapped the board and the CPU, even without touching any settings, my kid tells me the graphics look noticeably better. In WoW, TFT, COD, and even that Crysis demo—almost everything on High—there's zero stuttering or lagging, and it looks way cleaner. It actually surprised me; I didn't think the difference would be this obvious until I upgraded the CPU. Usually, in these gaming benchmarks, the E4300 and the X2-4000+ are pretty neck-and-neck, sometimes the X2 even pulls ahead. But in Crysis, the whole scene feels sharper, more detailed, and the textures are definitely much clearer... I don't really get how that connects to the processor? You'd expect it to be the GPU's doing... but then again, if the old CPU was choking the card that badly, the jump is insane, especially since they're supposed to be similar in power. Maybe I'm just imagining things, but with this new CPU and board, it feels like the whole system just "woke up."

Oh, and yeah, after my son plays for several hours, temps are sitting at 35°C for the CPU and 37°C for the GPU...
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
Ugh... 👍 my kid is running the demo on his GTS card at medium settings and it actually looks pretty damn good at 1280x1065... but man, I can only imagine... it's definitely choking the CPU. Feels like an Athlon 64 x2 4000+ is struggling to breathe... I'm gonna have to upgrade that setup... 😁
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
e, wiredmarlin5, alright, now I've gotta know—just asking a blunt, straight-up question here—how much of an FPS boost are you actually seeing in the games you usually play with a new GT compared to the old one?
Overclocking (Main Thread) in Desktops ·
Sean Miller93 said:Quick question!

Is the stock cooler that comes with the E4500 actually decent enough for some light overclocking? To put it simply, I want to grab the CPU, tweak it a little without cranking up the voltage (keeping it at 3.0), and call it a day. Or am I wasting my time unless I pick up a Typhoon cooler?

ModelProcessor 2×2.2GHz
SocketLGA 775Clock Speed2x2.2GHz
FSB800MHzCache (L2)2 MB
Included Cooler: Heatsink and Fan included

People say it's unnecessary:

http://legionhardware.com/document.php?id=700