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swiftdrifter8 said:I get that it’s hard for people to believe I’m not picking sides here, but look at the facts: the Russian military managed to seize four Ukrainian provinces in just six months. Meanwhile, the US spent over a decade playing games in Muslim countries, which mostly ended with them retreating empty-handed. Whether intentional or not, those are just my observations.
The moment Russia starts truly losing, China will make its move on Taiwan.
History shows us that communists don't value human life at all; if they need to sacrifice 5 million Russians or Chinese citizens to keep the communist machine running, they'll do it without blinking.
...Except the people in power in Russia aren't Communists.
silentnomad7 said:And then you suggest that the very people who have raked in trillions of dollars over the last few decades are just going to torch everything by triggering a nuclear Armageddon. And in the process, they'll wipe out their own families and everyone they love.
Well, fine then! Just quit your job and spend your last few days however you please... because I highly doubt you'll be working through the end times for a paycheck you'll never actually receive...
It isn't their call to make; it’s up to Putin and his generals.
But then again, as I've said before: God willing, I am wrong.
All bark and no bite.
I honestly have no idea where that tired old cliché even came from.
The Chinese have a different way of putting it: "A barking dog isn't quite cooked yet."
The real issue with Russia is that their nuclear threat isn't just rhetoric—it’s real.
Yes, Russia is an aggressor.
Yes, they invaded a sovereign nation.
Yes, they blackmail everyone in their orbit.
Yes, their military commits atrocities.
Yes, they are a mirror image of Nazi Germany leading up to World War II.
The problem? They possess 6,000 nuclear warheads. If even half of those are functional, they could drag the entire world back to the Dark Ages.
As things stand now, is nuclear war inevitable?
It feels like a dead end.
We can't afford to give in to the Russians, yet if we don't, we face nuclear war.
Everyone loses.
Quite frankly, I don't see a way out. I don't see any solution at all.
I fear a nuclear conflict is unavoidable.
We should have been thinking about this—and acting on it—a long time ago.
hiddeneagle98 said:I swear on my life, I'm not going to attack Ukraine! And if I do attack it...
I'm going to drop the nuke, I swear to God! _________
Fill in the blank.
Let me be clear: I won't touch the nuclear button unless someone dares to strike Russia. Swear on my life.
velvetbadger11 said:I find it quite difficult to believe that Putin would actually resort to nuclear weapons; in my estimation, it’s nothing more than a calculated bluff designed to deter NATO from considering any potential military intervention in Ukraine.
I'm looking back at my posts from February and cringing a bit... "Putin won't invade Ukraine, haha..." How easily the West gets played by a four-dimensional chess player while they panic over absolutely nothing.
boldotter2 said:First off, maybe stop getting your news from Russian troll sites? It might actually help with that nuclear anxiety you've got going on.
And hey, if you're feeling a bit twitchy about it, here are some facts to show why a nuclear strike—even if it happened—really just means the end of Putin and Russia:
- For 40 years, the world has been dodging a nuclear catastrophe. In that same window, we got The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, the pill, the economic boom in Europe, the moon landing, and pretty much everything else that defined the second half of the 20th century. Basically, our whole modern civilization was built right alongside that fear.
- During that exact same timeframe, nearly 2,000 nuclear bombs were detonated globally. Some in war, most in peace, many above ground, leaving behind direct radiation and long-term pollution. The South Pacific, Nevada, and New Land all took a massive dose of Becquerel. Even John Wayne died from radiation exposure.
- We also had the Chernobyl disaster, which polluted the planet way more than all those 2,000 detonations combined. And then there was Fukushima.
- That Soviet thermonuclear "Tsar" bomb, the most powerful weapon ever, left a crater measuring 19 miles. A radius of 19 miles is basically the minimum exclusion zone around the Chernobyl nuclear plant, surrounding the sarcophagus and that famous "Red Forest," where radiation still leaks from the melted reactor core today. The actual exclusion zone is way, way bigger than that.
The distance of 19 miles is the exclusion zone around the Fukushima plant, and that’s going to stick around for a very, very long time.
The distance from 19 miles is roughly the straight-line distance between Krško and Washington, D.C.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are just regular Japanese cities. Trinity and Los Alamos are basically tourist attractions now.
My point in one sentence: For someone living in, say, Washington, D.C., an unthinkable danger would probably be a major accident at the Krško plant rather than the detonation of the strongest atomic bomb ever over Karlovac.
So, I guess you should look at what's actually more likely to happen.
From the perspective of Ukraine, things are even crazier. Their capital is literally 31 miles downstream from Chernobyl.
In other words, are you trying to say that a potential nuclear war is just smoke and mirrors, and would cause fewer problems than Chernobyl?
You are living in a total fantasy land.
Sam Alvarez4 said:Why use the plural? 🤔
We're talking about one guy.
Anyway...
If they won't do it nicely, they'll force him back by hand... straight to hell where he belongs...
Because the CIA isn't just one man.
Sam Alvarez4 said:Just let the CIA leave Ukraine alone... and tell them to head back to their own backyard.
They have no intention of doing that.
Richard Wilson4 said:There is no such thing as a nuclear option. Just look at all these people acting all scared of nuclear war, saying things like, "Look, I'm not pro-Russia, but NATO shouldn't have..." and all that nonsense.
Whatever, man...
I have never once said "...but NATO shouldn't have."
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Richard Wilson4 said:No offense intended, but this feels like pure copium. It seems like people just can't admit the Russian military is actually useless, so they start pushing all this nonsense about nukes to cover it up.
I don't know about you guys, but the fact that their only remaining leverage is atomic weaponry is the ultimate proof that their conventional military is a joke compared to what they were peddling until recently.
The real issue here is that we failed to isolate Putin right at the starting line.
You can actually stop dictators from causing massive amounts of chaos if you catch them while they're still just making small-scale messes.
But now? We're backed into a corner.
Figures like Orbán and Erdoğan are equally worth watching—especially Erdoğan.
If the US hadn't applied pressure on Turkey when Erdoğan first started acting out, or if there isn't some hope for leverage now, we're in trouble. If he's left unchecked, he’ll follow the exact same path as Putin.
Putin didn't just transform into this version of himself overnight or back in 2014. He has always been Putin.
Now, the shit has finally hit the fan.
Bradley White73 said:They aren't actually calling for a nuclear strike; they're just trying to manufacture panic. Anyone playing that game is essentially doing Putin's dirty work for him. The best move? Just hit ignore on people like that.
Honestly, anyone who isn't concerned about the increasing possibility of nuclear war is being completely delusional.
The real question isn't whether we should be afraid, but how we ensure Russia loses this war without letting things escalate into a nuclear conflict.
hiddeneagle98 said:I mean, seriously, why on earth would China even consider dropping a nuke on their own people? It’s not like Taiwan is some backwater wasteland; it’s a highly advanced, sophisticated region where the population is ethnically Chinese and they’re just trying to live their lives in peace—you know, free from Communist interference. The whole world basically agrees that Taiwan belongs to China territorially anyway. Taiwan doesn't even exist as an independent nation; it isn't in the UN, you won't see them at the Olympics, and most maps in the US don't even list them as a separate country. From what I can see, the Chinese leadership is focused on reintegrating Taiwan peacefully if possible, specifically because destroying it would be a massive loss—it would easily become the most valuable asset in a unified China. Anything else is just a total disaster, and the idea of nuking it is honestly just mind-numbingly stupid.
It’s obviously idiotic, but...
A peaceful reintegration isn't going to happen. Besides, Taiwan effectively splits the Chinese coastline in two. It sits right there between Hong Kong to the south and Beijing and Shanghai to the north.
Strategically speaking, Taiwan is absolutely vital to the Chinese.
analogbear5 said:Since we're already talking nuclear weapons—what do you think the Chinese or Indians are actually thinking when they hear the Russians leaning into that kind of rhetoric?
The Chinese are probably just calculating how easy it would be to nuke Taiwan, while the Indians are likely thinking about their own move against Pakistan.
Kenneth Cruz67 said:I suppose I'm just wondering what my personal expectations have to do with anything at all here... 🤔
"My point was that we should have played this much smarter from the start. This whole disastrous war by the Russian aggressor could have been avoided entirely. You can argue with me all you want, but that’s the reality. I just hope I won't be sitting here in a month writing about how a nuclear war could have been prevented."
"Oh, I'm certain you won't be writing about a nuclear war."
Get it now?
Kenneth Cruz67 said:I have to say, I don't quite see things that way. I guess my take is that Putin possesses this specific mindset where he simply cannot stomach defeat, and honestly, it seems more likely he'd resort to nuclear options rather than actually retreating. It feels like his whole modus operandi from the very beginning has been that if brute force isn't working, then perhaps not enough force has been applied yet.
Maybe at the start of the conflict, people thought those surrounding him would never let him touch those nuclear weapons, but I suppose we can probably forget about that now, since the people in his inner circle seem even more unpredictable than he is.
Do you honestly expect to have internet or electricity after a nuclear war, assuming you even survive?
Nancy Gomez26 said:I find that hard to swallow, though they certainly squander money in other ways. Take aircraft carrier development, for instance. Both France and the United Kingdom pour resources into developing their own carriers. It’s an astronomical cost, only for them to end up with maybe one or two vessels. In the US, development is just as pricey, but at least we produce a dozen ships over twenty or thirty years. Then you have the jet fighters needed for those carriers. Same story there—massive R&D costs—but they fare slightly better by producing about fifty units over the carrier's lifespan. A fortune is spent, yet the strategic impact remains marginal. Americans actually see a return on investment because we maintain actual scale.
Ask any Argentine how much influence an aircraft carrier actually has; even when using smaller ones, the impact is minimal.
James Chavez91 said:Alright. So, I have this theory (I’ve ranted about this before), where the Chinese side openly turns against Russia—basically siding with the West and slapping them with enough sanctions to force a Russian withdrawal.
-Just my two cents, mind you—I'm no geostrategy expert 🤣
If that actually worked, here is how I’d play it...
The US tells China, "Look, just back off Putin, lean on him, and make him retreat, and in exchange, we'll pull back our focus on protecting Taiwan." That could lead to a de-escalation in UA, lowering the risk of those scary nuclear games. You'd still get a China-Taiwan conflict, but one that doesn't trigger a nuclear Armageddon. And since Taiwan isn't exactly insignificant, it would leave China wounded and weakened, which—I guess—would ultimately satisfy the Americans.
There you go—everyone wins, right? Haha. What do you guys think? Should I give Joe Biden a call with this proposal? 😁
For Americans (and really, the rest of the world), Taiwan is far more significant than Ukraine.
There is zero chance the US would sacrifice Taiwan for the sake of Ukraine.
Brenda Murphy3 said:That’s exactly why the goal has to be making sure that when all this is finally over, nobody even gives a damn about how things "look" from the Russian side of the fence.
And honestly, despite all the loudmouths yapping on this forum (and in politics, looking at you, Joe Biden and his crowd), it’s totally doable. In fact, I'm betting it’s actually going to happen. Whether it happens through military force or if the internal power struggles within Russia itself take care of it... who knows? But it’s almost a certainty.
Russia needs to lose... it would be the best outcome for everyone involved, including the Russians themselves (and by that, I mean the actual citizens, obviously, not the regime).
There is a difference between what would be ideal and what is actually realistic.