Posts by Michael Lee4

So why didn't the FIA penalize Kubica instead of Alonso? Global conspiracy or just a Masonic plot? 🤔

p.s. http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/23218.html

Nice one, mistybear87, using gasoline to put out a fire... you know, just to make sure everything burns up faster so there's nothing left to fuel it. 😁

Nicole Reyes97 said:Alright, do you honestly think Alonso is such an idiot that he’d just ignore a penalty order? 🙏 Surely he and Ferrari had some reason to be "disobedient" (if those three warnings actually meant anything). It would have made sense if Alonso was being clever and chasing fast laps so that even with a penalty, he wouldn't lose too much ground. But he was stuck behind Rosberg after that incident.
It was a racing incident, and Formula One has seen enough of them to judge objectively.

But... like you said, you're better off staying stuck in your own little bubble.👍

I never said I thought he was an idiot; I was just pointing out who might have ignored the warning, and frankly, who that was doesn't matter. The fact remains: they ignored the warnings.

So what's your excuse for Ferrari ignoring the warnings then? The FIA stated they warned them three times—you're telling me they're lying? What, you think the FIA just makes stuff up?

Roger Wright94 said:First off, we don't actually have the exact timeline for those conversations or how this whole mess unfolded.
Without that, your take is pretty much baseless.

And do you honestly believe the pros who handle this stuff daily are as clueless as you're making them out to be?
You really think you and I are better informed than they are?

Here’s what I know:

- I saw what Alonso did. My first thought was that it was illegal, and my second was that Alonso would fix it himself immediately. He didn't. I follow racing enough to know right away that it wasn't allowed. They could have told him to give the spot back instantly, or he could have just done it. Whether it was Alonso playing dumb, the pit wall, or everyone collectively pretending not to see it... who cares? It's exhausting.

- After the race, everyone just got hit with news about three warnings before a penalty...

That’s plenty for me. ☕

As for the Ferrari professionals on the pit wall and their massive blunders over the last few seasons—specifically since Napoleon left—you could write a whole book on it. ☕

I think I've said all I need to say on this. I'm sticking to my guns.

cosmicridge5 said:The FIA clearly has nothing better to do than throw penalties around for absolutely no reason. It's basically common knowledge at this point 🤷 😁

But if we're being logical, the whole point of a penalty should be to give Robert back his "undue advantage." Instead, they just handed positions to everyone else 😁 which doesn't help since Robert can't get that spot back now..

Oh, and David Coulthard told the BBC right away that the penalty was unjustified and just a racing incident 😳 😁😁

From what I can tell, the point of a penalty like that is just to signal to everyone else that you can't overtake like that... even if you're clearly faster. They weren't even trying to punish him; they just wanted him to yield the position. If those idiots on the pit wall had even a shred of brainpower, they would have told him immediately. He could've let him through right after the chicane and then reclaimed it by the next lap. Easy.

That's where I leave it. It's obvious some people need their hands held through every little detail... To me, punishing Hamilton was even stupider, not because he passed Kimi Räikkönen, but because he wasn't let through enough to utilize the slipstream 🤣 that's just pure nonsense.

Whatever. Ferrari will probably screw something up again next race, so we'll have plenty to talk about then 🍿

Roger Wright94 said:It's the exact same setup, except the Germans were side-by-side while our duo was mid-corner.
Michael Schumacher definitely left enough room for Sebastian Vettel—just barely, but enough. If he hadn't, it would’ve been an illegal move.

Remind me again... you got a YouTube link for that clip?

I vaguely remember a moment where someone tried to pass the veteran, shoved him halfway onto the grass, and the old man ended up dropping out. Can't recall if it was Vettel or someone else though... 🤷

cosmicridge5 said:If you just hate Fernando Alonso for no reason, then obviously nothing matters. 😁

The whole debate really boils down to whether it's worse to blindly loathe him or to worship him. 🙏 🤣

Love this subforum. 😍

So, basically the FIA hates an unspecified driver, which is why they slapped him with a penalty?

I live for this subforum. 🙏

Roger Wright94 said:What did Michael Schumacher even do when Sebastian Vettel overtook him?

Can't say I remember. Remind me... and what does that have to do with Fernando Alonso?

Roger Wright94 said:The Kubica-Alonso situation at Indianapolis is totally different from all those other links you guys were posting.

Kubica wasn't even defending!
Defensive driving is actually justified when an opponent is behind you, whether they're fully alongside or just partially.

Alonso made his move on the outside, which isn't like that Lewis move on Kimi on the inside. That’s a huge distinction. When Alonso takes the outside line, he’s not crowding or hurting Kubica, who’s holding the inside.
In this specific instance, Alonso entered the corner neck-and-neck with Kubica (maybe a bumper apart at most). I'm talking about entering that first sharp left turn (90 degrees).
In a setup like that, Kubica had to leave him enough room, but he didn't—he basically shoved him out. Obviously, Kubica saw he was done for since he would've been overtaken immediately upon exiting, so he deliberately forced Alonso wide.
That was a dirty move, not just standard line occupation.
If the cars are side-by-side, you have to give your opponent space. And the corner is part of the track, so there was plenty of room for both of them. It was just a calculated move by Kubica.
What if there had been a wall on the right? Would the logic change then?

Go ahead and watch the replay if you still care.

Oh, so the FIA is just full of it? They don't actually know what they're penalizing, they just pick favorites. They waited until Indianapolis to finally come down hard on Alonso, giving him three warnings before finally cracking down...

Give me a break... Kubica should've given him more than just a sliver of space. It's the same deal: if Alonso had tried to pass on the other side, Kubica would've squeezed him just as hard. This "defending" excuse is nonsense. If he'd already passed, fine, but here? No way. You brake and wait for the next chance, or let's keep it simple: he overtook him illegally, period.

So the statement definitely holds up: "One issue with reviewing this incident is the blatant favoritism toward one participant (be it driver or team).
I think that bias prevents the people involved from looking at the situation objectively." 🍿

Mark Ruiz8 said:Sure, let's just blame Alonso's bad luck with the SC timing and the penalty, but Massa? Honestly, what was he even doing? I'm genuinely disappointed.

Wrong... The FIA messaged Ferrari three separate times telling Alonso to give the spot back without a penalty. It wasn't until the third time they finally slapped him with one, which just happened to overlap with the SC... basically, total incompetence.

What about Massa? What's there to be disappointed about? Alonso hit him, and then this guy punctures his tire and has to pit on the second lap.

Don't even bother, Gilbert... I honestly don't get why we have to explain this to Amanda Kelly. If it were just some random troll on a forum, I wouldn't be surprised, but for someone who claims to actually follow the races like she says...

I can imagine plenty of things, but the idea of someone that unattractive snatching women away just doesn't fly with me. Plus, you’ve got women hanging around Formula 1 garages who still end up falling for a face like Prost's 😬 It's also funny how "best friends" act when they're busy stealing each other's women 🤦

God was on his side today. He pulled off some great late pit stops, and both Fernando Alonso and Kubica played right into his hands. If I remember correctly, he had already climbed up to 10th by the end of the first lap...

"Jenson Button (McLaren, 4th): " I'm so happy to have made up 10 places. But it's hard to overtake around here, so I knew I had to make up a lot of places off the start-line. In the event I made up six places, but I then had to push really hard on the option tyre in the first stint. That strategy worked for us and I came out behind Fernando, who had a drive-through, so I picked up fourth. It's a pity I couldn't have overtaken Nico Rosberg, but this is still a fantastic result for me. It's a pity I couldn't get onto the podium in front of my home crowd, who have been absolutely amazing all weekend. You can never forget the fans around here - I genuinely think they helped Lewis Hamilton and me to a good result today.""

redheron12 said:McLaren handles things with such grace and elegance 😁

"Jenson sorry mate, we forgot to remove a cooling cover from the air intake"

Those points would have done him a world of good right about now 🙂

hollowgull5 said:as for Jenson Button
he's just cruising along
picking up points by driving safe and taking zero risks unless someone is somehow five seconds slower than him 🙂

Yeah... all I want to know is how he managed to jump from 14th to 4th yesterday. Sure, a few people dropped out, but it's not like the other eight drivers just vanished into thin air the moment they saw him coming ☕

Joshua Newman2 said:Hey everyone!
Spent the whole day breathing in salt air under some pine trees and missed the race. Heard things got interesting, and that Mark Webber finally started showing some teeth to the crew trying to turn him into Barrichello. 🙏

Did I miss anything else major?

It was pretty decent... just grab a torrent and watch it.

Douglas Parker61 said:Since Alonso veered off onto the grass to avoid Kubica, he should have just rammed him, backed up, and kept hitting him until there was nothing left.🙄

Cut the crap... He should've just let him pass right then and be done with it. He would’ve caught up a lap later anyway, sitting on a mountain of points, and everything would've been fine.

The real issue is that some people are so blinded by their favorite driver that they forget how this works—it’s fucking racing. What do they mean, "avoiding contact" or "cutting corners"?

bluehawk3 said:kIf the refs screwed Ferrari again. Unbelievable...

If I were Luca Montezemolo, I'd hire the Sicilian Mafia to take out every single one of those judges.

cosmicridge5 said:Mark Webber really showed everyone he’s bottom tier. 🙏 That’s how you push a teammate under the bus and wreck your own team. Bravo. 🙏 🤮

After that whole scandal, he still can't be left alone for five minutes. Bravo, psycho. Real classy move. 🙏 🤮

From here on out, I’d rather root for that jerk Lewis Hamilton to take the title than watch Webber do it. 🙄

As for Zalons and Kubica, Zalons had absolutely nowhere to turn. This penalty and how they handled it is a total joke. Easily the biggest circus of the season. 🤮 If he takes out half the judges and half the pit crew, I won't say a word. ☕

Did I mention how much this race is making me sick?

🙂

Look, stop embarrassing yourselves by posting this kind of nonsense. Seriously, just keep it to yourself instead of cluttering up the forum. ☕

Webber was absolutely livid when they stripped those new wings off his car and handed them over to the guy from the midwest, so this win definitely tastes sweet to him. 🤣

Nicole Reyes97 said:Michael Lee4, you honestly think nobody else has cut someone off in that exact same spot as Zalonso? 🙂

How on earth did you manage to twist my words like that?!

I said he shouldn't have made that move; he should've just let him through, avoided the penalty, and then overtaken him later to bag more points.

Here's the setup 🍿