Posts by Michael Lee4

Just one request to start: read everything I've written, and I mean everything. Thanks.

Anthony Lopez5 said:Here’s my take on this thread, which I’d probably have started myself if I were one of the old-school members here.

Look, I think it's obvious to all of us that being a moderator comes with a massive amount of responsibility alongside the power you gain. You have to handle it responsibly and impartially—at least most of the time.

But let's be real: the way Michael Lee4 demonstrates his power through his moderation, his sarcasm, and the constant—both overt and subtle—mocking and insulting of users who don't fall in line, is definitely not a textbook example of good leadership.

Let me explain why I say that...

Our local "love him or hate him" figurehead has proven time and again that his actions are driven by pure ego. Honestly, it’s gotten to the point where I can’t tell if we’re dealing with Michael Lee4’s ego or if the ego itself has become its own entity.

I’ll look back at things over the last three years or so...

Back on the car boards, some troll using a handle like Rionero would start a "BMW vs. Mercedes" thread. What began as a total troll thread turned into a virtual hangout for many of us. We'd discuss everything vaguely related to PF, but genuine friendships formed there—offline, of course (to the extent that I actually spent my vacation this year staying with User and partying with User and User). It was all built on banter and casual conversation. Naturally, the popularity and post count grew because of it. If I remember correctly, Michael Lee4 wasn't a mod when the thread started, but he became one later. Basically, during that era, there was very little off-topic chatter elsewhere because everything centered on that one thread, making it the perfect digital lounge.

If you click the link to that thread and read even just the first 10 or 20 pages, you’ll be laughing your head off—and pay close attention to who wrote the very first post after the OP:

Of course, the main roadblock was Michael Lee4. He used to complain about us on other threads regarding that specific discussion. Even if he didn't delete those posts, I really don't have the energy to spend hours digging through archives to prove what he'll just deny anyway—not to mention he called me mentally unstable in a private message.

Then, once Michael Lee4 felt sufficiently empowered by his mod tools, one day the thread just vanished. It disappeared as if it never existed, without any warning or explanation. That was my first real glimpse of his character, which is ultimately the biggest stumbling block and the reason people are calling for a change in leadership.

It wasn't until about a month ago that I received a blunt, baseless explanation via DM: "there's no room for chat on the car boards." I don't buy that for a second. Productive conversations can come from anywhere, including a chat thread.

Anyway, the thread was dumped into the off-topic section—which is a tier below the recycling bin—and predictably fell into oblivion since it was technically part of the automotive PF. I honestly suspect this was a calculated move to make it look like the topic wasn't popular and deserved to die out.

My experience with Michael Lee4 shows someone who can hold a perfectly normal conversation right up until someone presents a solid argument or proves him wrong. Once that happens, the insults start—subtle in a DM, or blatant through deleting posts and handing out warnings. It’s the classic double standard: I call someone an idiot and get a warning, but he calls someone a MORON and gets a pass. And it’s not a one-off thing; it’s chronic, like bronchitis.

That aforementioned game of guessing cars was shut down abruptly and autocratically, without any prior warning. It was bottom-tier moderation. Thank God that out of a dozen or so posts, I managed to nail half of them on other PFs. I've dealt with other moderators before, and their style isn't anywhere near this. I honestly don't know how to describe this level of moderation without resorting to insults or getting a warning myself. Besides, I have no desire to stoop to Michael Lee4's level or give him the satisfaction of handing me a warning or a ban.

I also think a moderator should be able to tell the difference between a new user who’s just struggling to navigate the forum waters and a clone or troll who's specifically here to flame people and cause trouble. The former needs some gentle guidance, not to be immediately met with all guns blazing and handed a ban from the PF.

Real life is serious and difficult enough for all of us; we come here for information and a bit of relaxation and banter. But how are you supposed to relax when you're waiting around wondering if Michael Lee4 is going to jump out from around a corner with a red or yellow card? For God's sake, if this were soccer, fans would have torn him to shreds by halftime...

I know Michael Lee4 will probably start making excuses now through jokes, sarcasm, and provocations—but honestly, his chosen avatar says more about him and his ego than anything else.

I’ll also touch on that Lupo topic and those lukewarm apologies from Michael Lee4 about not being able to make it—look, I don't care if you couldn't make it, but you seem to find time for everything else, and that topic was bumped to the top of the PF for over seven days. Cj7 deserved at least a three-day ban for openly insulting forum members, but he DIDN'T GET ONE. He deserved the topic to be locked, but YOU only did that once the anti-comments reached massive proportions. Honestly, that topic probably would still be at the top right now if you had acted sooner.

I won't call you a shill for certain car brands or a journalist or any of those other nonsense labels, because I know that isn't true. You're simply incapable of being a quality moderator for this PF.

But the fact remains: based on your reactions, it looks like you blindly support one specific brand while refusing to allow any comparisons with other brands regarding design, price, quality, etc., always following up with that weak explanation that "this topic isn't for that." For crying out loud, where are we supposed to discuss it then? On a cooking forum?

This, like any other PF, should be a place where people can't wait to visit to read something new and have a laugh, provided it doesn't cross the line into insults. It shouldn't be a chore to check in.

Michael Lee4—you said yourself that you don't need this moderation in your life and that things would be easier without it, SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST STEP DOWN?

Also, I'm curious why the poll isn't public so we can see how everyone voted.

That's all from me for now. There's a lot on my mind, and maybe it's not perfectly polished, but if I think of anything else, I'll write it down.

Oh God, here we go again... First off, I haven't been a moderator nearly as long as you think—it's barely been over a year. If you really believe I deleted anything in that chat you're talking about, feel free to reach out to any admin to check; they can see everything.

You figured it out the second you noticed the topic was gone. Honestly, I think it happened the same day. It’s exactly what I told you back in our PMs, and it’s what I’m telling you now. The Mercedes vs. Benz thread was only pulled because they nuked that other chat—the one about women drivers or whatever it was called. I didn't kill it immediately because I completely forgot it even existed, but once the trolls from that deleted thread migrated over to "your" chat and started acting up and making a mess of things, it had to go.

I don't know how else to break this down for you. If you still don't believe me after what I said in my PM, there's nothing left to say. Honestly, it's insulting that you won't take my word for it and keep twisting my facts.

Anthony Lopez5 said:Here’s my take on this thread, which I’d probably have started myself if I were one of the old-school members here.

Look, I think it's obvious to all of us that being a moderator comes with a massive amount of responsibility alongside the power you gain. You have to handle it responsibly and impartially—at least most of the time.

But let's be real: the way Michael Lee4 demonstrates his power through his moderation, his sarcasm, and the constant—both overt and subtle—mocking and insulting of users who don't fall in line, is definitely not a textbook example of good leadership.

Let me explain why I say that...

Our local "love him or hate him" figurehead has proven time and again that his actions are driven by pure ego. Honestly, it’s gotten to the point where I can’t tell if we’re dealing with Michael Lee4’s ego or if the ego itself has become its own entity.

I’ll look back at things over the last three years or so...

Back on the car boards, some troll using a handle like Rionero would start a "BMW vs. Mercedes" thread. What began as a total troll thread turned into a virtual hangout for many of us. We'd discuss everything vaguely related to PF, but genuine friendships formed there—offline, of course (to the extent that I actually spent my vacation this year staying with User and partying with User and User). It was all built on banter and casual conversation. Naturally, the popularity and post count grew because of it. If I remember correctly, Michael Lee4 wasn't a mod when the thread started, but he became one later. Basically, during that era, there was very little off-topic chatter elsewhere because everything centered on that one thread, making it the perfect digital lounge.

If you click the link to that thread and read even just the first 10 or 20 pages, you’ll be laughing your head off—and pay close attention to who wrote the very first post after the OP:

Of course, the main roadblock was Michael Lee4. He used to complain about us on other threads regarding that specific discussion. Even if he didn't delete those posts, I really don't have the energy to spend hours digging through archives to prove what he'll just deny anyway—not to mention he called me mentally unstable in a private message.

Then, once Michael Lee4 felt sufficiently empowered by his mod tools, one day the thread just vanished. It disappeared as if it never existed, without any warning or explanation. That was my first real glimpse of his character, which is ultimately the biggest stumbling block and the reason people are calling for a change in leadership.

It wasn't until about a month ago that I received a blunt, baseless explanation via DM: "there's no room for chat on the car boards." I don't buy that for a second. Productive conversations can come from anywhere, including a chat thread.

Anyway, the thread was dumped into the off-topic section—which is a tier below the recycling bin—and predictably fell into oblivion since it was technically part of the automotive PF. I honestly suspect this was a calculated move to make it look like the topic wasn't popular and deserved to die out.

My experience with Michael Lee4 shows someone who can hold a perfectly normal conversation right up until someone presents a solid argument or proves him wrong. Once that happens, the insults start—subtle in a DM, or blatant through deleting posts and handing out warnings. It’s the classic double standard: I call someone an idiot and get a warning, but he calls someone a MORON and gets a pass. And it’s not a one-off thing; it’s chronic, like bronchitis.

That aforementioned game of guessing cars was shut down abruptly and autocratically, without any prior warning. It was bottom-tier moderation. Thank God that out of a dozen or so posts, I managed to nail half of them on other PFs. I've dealt with other moderators before, and their style isn't anywhere near this. I honestly don't know how to describe this level of moderation without resorting to insults or getting a warning myself. Besides, I have no desire to stoop to Michael Lee4's level or give him the satisfaction of handing me a warning or a ban.

I also think a moderator should be able to tell the difference between a new user who’s just struggling to navigate the forum waters and a clone or troll who's specifically here to flame people and cause trouble. The former needs some gentle guidance, not to be immediately met with all guns blazing and handed a ban from the PF.

Real life is serious and difficult enough for all of us; we come here for information and a bit of relaxation and banter. But how are you supposed to relax when you're waiting around wondering if Michael Lee4 is going to jump out from around a corner with a red or yellow card? For God's sake, if this were soccer, fans would have torn him to shreds by halftime...

I know Michael Lee4 will probably start making excuses now through jokes, sarcasm, and provocations—but honestly, his chosen avatar says more about him and his ego than anything else.

I’ll also touch on that Lupo topic and those lukewarm apologies from Michael Lee4 about not being able to make it—look, I don't care if you couldn't make it, but you seem to find time for everything else, and that topic was bumped to the top of the PF for over seven days. Cj7 deserved at least a three-day ban for openly insulting forum members, but he DIDN'T GET ONE. He deserved the topic to be locked, but YOU only did that once the anti-comments reached massive proportions. Honestly, that topic probably would still be at the top right now if you had acted sooner.

I won't call you a shill for certain car brands or a journalist or any of those other nonsense labels, because I know that isn't true. You're simply incapable of being a quality moderator for this PF.

But the fact remains: based on your reactions, it looks like you blindly support one specific brand while refusing to allow any comparisons with other brands regarding design, price, quality, etc., always following up with that weak explanation that "this topic isn't for that." For crying out loud, where are we supposed to discuss it then? On a cooking forum?

This, like any other PF, should be a place where people can't wait to visit to read something new and have a laugh, provided it doesn't cross the line into insults. It shouldn't be a chore to check in.

Michael Lee4—you said yourself that you don't need this moderation in your life and that things would be easier without it, SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST STEP DOWN?

Also, I'm curious why the poll isn't public so we can see how everyone voted.

That's all from me for now. There's a lot on my mind, and maybe it's not perfectly polished, but if I think of anything else, I'll write it down.

Kind of true... I’m capable of communicating normally, but once I have to repeat the same thing ten times because someone just isn't getting it, that's where it ends. I don't know how you guys handle those situations, but personally, I only see two possibilities: either you're trying to push my buttons, or there's something broken "under the hood"... and either way, you're getting a reaction.

Anthony Lopez5 said:Here’s my take on this thread, which I’d probably have started myself if I were one of the old-school members here.

Look, I think it's obvious to all of us that being a moderator comes with a massive amount of responsibility alongside the power you gain. You have to handle it responsibly and impartially—at least most of the time.

But let's be real: the way Michael Lee4 demonstrates his power through his moderation, his sarcasm, and the constant—both overt and subtle—mocking and insulting of users who don't fall in line, is definitely not a textbook example of good leadership.

Let me explain why I say that...

Our local "love him or hate him" figurehead has proven time and again that his actions are driven by pure ego. Honestly, it’s gotten to the point where I can’t tell if we’re dealing with Michael Lee4’s ego or if the ego itself has become its own entity.

I’ll look back at things over the last three years or so...

Back on the car boards, some troll using a handle like Rionero would start a "BMW vs. Mercedes" thread. What began as a total troll thread turned into a virtual hangout for many of us. We'd discuss everything vaguely related to PF, but genuine friendships formed there—offline, of course (to the extent that I actually spent my vacation this year staying with User and partying with User and User). It was all built on banter and casual conversation. Naturally, the popularity and post count grew because of it. If I remember correctly, Michael Lee4 wasn't a mod when the thread started, but he became one later. Basically, during that era, there was very little off-topic chatter elsewhere because everything centered on that one thread, making it the perfect digital lounge.

If you click the link to that thread and read even just the first 10 or 20 pages, you’ll be laughing your head off—and pay close attention to who wrote the very first post after the OP:

Of course, the main roadblock was Michael Lee4. He used to complain about us on other threads regarding that specific discussion. Even if he didn't delete those posts, I really don't have the energy to spend hours digging through archives to prove what he'll just deny anyway—not to mention he called me mentally unstable in a private message.

Then, once Michael Lee4 felt sufficiently empowered by his mod tools, one day the thread just vanished. It disappeared as if it never existed, without any warning or explanation. That was my first real glimpse of his character, which is ultimately the biggest stumbling block and the reason people are calling for a change in leadership.

It wasn't until about a month ago that I received a blunt, baseless explanation via DM: "there's no room for chat on the car boards." I don't buy that for a second. Productive conversations can come from anywhere, including a chat thread.

Anyway, the thread was dumped into the off-topic section—which is a tier below the recycling bin—and predictably fell into oblivion since it was technically part of the automotive PF. I honestly suspect this was a calculated move to make it look like the topic wasn't popular and deserved to die out.

My experience with Michael Lee4 shows someone who can hold a perfectly normal conversation right up until someone presents a solid argument or proves him wrong. Once that happens, the insults start—subtle in a DM, or blatant through deleting posts and handing out warnings. It’s the classic double standard: I call someone an idiot and get a warning, but he calls someone a MORON and gets a pass. And it’s not a one-off thing; it’s chronic, like bronchitis.

That aforementioned game of guessing cars was shut down abruptly and autocratically, without any prior warning. It was bottom-tier moderation. Thank God that out of a dozen or so posts, I managed to nail half of them on other PFs. I've dealt with other moderators before, and their style isn't anywhere near this. I honestly don't know how to describe this level of moderation without resorting to insults or getting a warning myself. Besides, I have no desire to stoop to Michael Lee4's level or give him the satisfaction of handing me a warning or a ban.

I also think a moderator should be able to tell the difference between a new user who’s just struggling to navigate the forum waters and a clone or troll who's specifically here to flame people and cause trouble. The former needs some gentle guidance, not to be immediately met with all guns blazing and handed a ban from the PF.

Real life is serious and difficult enough for all of us; we come here for information and a bit of relaxation and banter. But how are you supposed to relax when you're waiting around wondering if Michael Lee4 is going to jump out from around a corner with a red or yellow card? For God's sake, if this were soccer, fans would have torn him to shreds by halftime...

I know Michael Lee4 will probably start making excuses now through jokes, sarcasm, and provocations—but honestly, his chosen avatar says more about him and his ego than anything else.

I’ll also touch on that Lupo topic and those lukewarm apologies from Michael Lee4 about not being able to make it—look, I don't care if you couldn't make it, but you seem to find time for everything else, and that topic was bumped to the top of the PF for over seven days. Cj7 deserved at least a three-day ban for openly insulting forum members, but he DIDN'T GET ONE. He deserved the topic to be locked, but YOU only did that once the anti-comments reached massive proportions. Honestly, that topic probably would still be at the top right now if you had acted sooner.

I won't call you a shill for certain car brands or a journalist or any of those other nonsense labels, because I know that isn't true. You're simply incapable of being a quality moderator for this PF.

But the fact remains: based on your reactions, it looks like you blindly support one specific brand while refusing to allow any comparisons with other brands regarding design, price, quality, etc., always following up with that weak explanation that "this topic isn't for that." For crying out loud, where are we supposed to discuss it then? On a cooking forum?

This, like any other PF, should be a place where people can't wait to visit to read something new and have a laugh, provided it doesn't cross the line into insults. It shouldn't be a chore to check in.

Michael Lee4—you said yourself that you don't need this moderation in your life and that things would be easier without it, SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST STEP DOWN?

Also, I'm curious why the poll isn't public so we can see how everyone voted.

That's all from me for now. There's a lot on my mind, and maybe it's not perfectly polished, but if I think of anything else, I'll write it down.

Sure, you’re on this site 24/7, so you think you see everything I do—who I message, who I warn, what I write before you even step in. But you don't have the full picture. Claiming you won't act because you're afraid of handing me a warning like you did to me is just nonsense. You gave me two warnings because I was trolling, plain and simple. The sheer volume and reasoning behind everyone else's warnings speak much louder than my two.

Anthony Lopez5 said:Here’s my take on this thread, which I’d probably have started myself if I were one of the old-school members here.

Look, I think it's obvious to all of us that being a moderator comes with a massive amount of responsibility alongside the power you gain. You have to handle it responsibly and impartially—at least most of the time.

But let's be real: the way Michael Lee4 demonstrates his power through his moderation, his sarcasm, and the constant—both overt and subtle—mocking and insulting of users who don't fall in line, is definitely not a textbook example of good leadership.

Let me explain why I say that...

Our local "love him or hate him" figurehead has proven time and again that his actions are driven by pure ego. Honestly, it’s gotten to the point where I can’t tell if we’re dealing with Michael Lee4’s ego or if the ego itself has become its own entity.

I’ll look back at things over the last three years or so...

Back on the car boards, some troll using a handle like Rionero would start a "BMW vs. Mercedes" thread. What began as a total troll thread turned into a virtual hangout for many of us. We'd discuss everything vaguely related to PF, but genuine friendships formed there—offline, of course (to the extent that I actually spent my vacation this year staying with User and partying with User and User). It was all built on banter and casual conversation. Naturally, the popularity and post count grew because of it. If I remember correctly, Michael Lee4 wasn't a mod when the thread started, but he became one later. Basically, during that era, there was very little off-topic chatter elsewhere because everything centered on that one thread, making it the perfect digital lounge.

If you click the link to that thread and read even just the first 10 or 20 pages, you’ll be laughing your head off—and pay close attention to who wrote the very first post after the OP:

Of course, the main roadblock was Michael Lee4. He used to complain about us on other threads regarding that specific discussion. Even if he didn't delete those posts, I really don't have the energy to spend hours digging through archives to prove what he'll just deny anyway—not to mention he called me mentally unstable in a private message.

Then, once Michael Lee4 felt sufficiently empowered by his mod tools, one day the thread just vanished. It disappeared as if it never existed, without any warning or explanation. That was my first real glimpse of his character, which is ultimately the biggest stumbling block and the reason people are calling for a change in leadership.

It wasn't until about a month ago that I received a blunt, baseless explanation via DM: "there's no room for chat on the car boards." I don't buy that for a second. Productive conversations can come from anywhere, including a chat thread.

Anyway, the thread was dumped into the off-topic section—which is a tier below the recycling bin—and predictably fell into oblivion since it was technically part of the automotive PF. I honestly suspect this was a calculated move to make it look like the topic wasn't popular and deserved to die out.

My experience with Michael Lee4 shows someone who can hold a perfectly normal conversation right up until someone presents a solid argument or proves him wrong. Once that happens, the insults start—subtle in a DM, or blatant through deleting posts and handing out warnings. It’s the classic double standard: I call someone an idiot and get a warning, but he calls someone a MORON and gets a pass. And it’s not a one-off thing; it’s chronic, like bronchitis.

That aforementioned game of guessing cars was shut down abruptly and autocratically, without any prior warning. It was bottom-tier moderation. Thank God that out of a dozen or so posts, I managed to nail half of them on other PFs. I've dealt with other moderators before, and their style isn't anywhere near this. I honestly don't know how to describe this level of moderation without resorting to insults or getting a warning myself. Besides, I have no desire to stoop to Michael Lee4's level or give him the satisfaction of handing me a warning or a ban.

I also think a moderator should be able to tell the difference between a new user who’s just struggling to navigate the forum waters and a clone or troll who's specifically here to flame people and cause trouble. The former needs some gentle guidance, not to be immediately met with all guns blazing and handed a ban from the PF.

Real life is serious and difficult enough for all of us; we come here for information and a bit of relaxation and banter. But how are you supposed to relax when you're waiting around wondering if Michael Lee4 is going to jump out from around a corner with a red or yellow card? For God's sake, if this were soccer, fans would have torn him to shreds by halftime...

I know Michael Lee4 will probably start making excuses now through jokes, sarcasm, and provocations—but honestly, his chosen avatar says more about him and his ego than anything else.

I’ll also touch on that Lupo topic and those lukewarm apologies from Michael Lee4 about not being able to make it—look, I don't care if you couldn't make it, but you seem to find time for everything else, and that topic was bumped to the top of the PF for over seven days. Cj7 deserved at least a three-day ban for openly insulting forum members, but he DIDN'T GET ONE. He deserved the topic to be locked, but YOU only did that once the anti-comments reached massive proportions. Honestly, that topic probably would still be at the top right now if you had acted sooner.

I won't call you a shill for certain car brands or a journalist or any of those other nonsense labels, because I know that isn't true. You're simply incapable of being a quality moderator for this PF.

But the fact remains: based on your reactions, it looks like you blindly support one specific brand while refusing to allow any comparisons with other brands regarding design, price, quality, etc., always following up with that weak explanation that "this topic isn't for that." For crying out loud, where are we supposed to discuss it then? On a cooking forum?

This, like any other PF, should be a place where people can't wait to visit to read something new and have a laugh, provided it doesn't cross the line into insults. It shouldn't be a chore to check in.

Michael Lee4—you said yourself that you don't need this moderation in your life and that things would be easier without it, SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST STEP DOWN?

Also, I'm curious why the poll isn't public so we can see how everyone voted.

That's all from me for now. There's a lot on my mind, and maybe it's not perfectly polished, but if I think of anything else, I'll write it down.

Just do me a favor and read what I wrote earlier on this thread. If I say I didn't even enter the thread, then I didn't. I don't jump into every single discussion; I'm not on here 24 hours a day, though I am pretty active during the time I am. Again, if anyone had actually reported the issue, it would have been fixed immediately.

Anthony Lopez5 said:Here’s my take on this thread, which I’d probably have started myself if I were one of the old-school members here.

Look, I think it's obvious to all of us that being a moderator comes with a massive amount of responsibility alongside the power you gain. You have to handle it responsibly and impartially—at least most of the time.

But let's be real: the way Michael Lee4 demonstrates his power through his moderation, his sarcasm, and the constant—both overt and subtle—mocking and insulting of users who don't fall in line, is definitely not a textbook example of good leadership.

Let me explain why I say that...

Our local "love him or hate him" figurehead has proven time and again that his actions are driven by pure ego. Honestly, it’s gotten to the point where I can’t tell if we’re dealing with Michael Lee4’s ego or if the ego itself has become its own entity.

I’ll look back at things over the last three years or so...

Back on the car boards, some troll using a handle like Rionero would start a "BMW vs. Mercedes" thread. What began as a total troll thread turned into a virtual hangout for many of us. We'd discuss everything vaguely related to PF, but genuine friendships formed there—offline, of course (to the extent that I actually spent my vacation this year staying with User and partying with User and User). It was all built on banter and casual conversation. Naturally, the popularity and post count grew because of it. If I remember correctly, Michael Lee4 wasn't a mod when the thread started, but he became one later. Basically, during that era, there was very little off-topic chatter elsewhere because everything centered on that one thread, making it the perfect digital lounge.

If you click the link to that thread and read even just the first 10 or 20 pages, you’ll be laughing your head off—and pay close attention to who wrote the very first post after the OP:

Of course, the main roadblock was Michael Lee4. He used to complain about us on other threads regarding that specific discussion. Even if he didn't delete those posts, I really don't have the energy to spend hours digging through archives to prove what he'll just deny anyway—not to mention he called me mentally unstable in a private message.

Then, once Michael Lee4 felt sufficiently empowered by his mod tools, one day the thread just vanished. It disappeared as if it never existed, without any warning or explanation. That was my first real glimpse of his character, which is ultimately the biggest stumbling block and the reason people are calling for a change in leadership.

It wasn't until about a month ago that I received a blunt, baseless explanation via DM: "there's no room for chat on the car boards." I don't buy that for a second. Productive conversations can come from anywhere, including a chat thread.

Anyway, the thread was dumped into the off-topic section—which is a tier below the recycling bin—and predictably fell into oblivion since it was technically part of the automotive PF. I honestly suspect this was a calculated move to make it look like the topic wasn't popular and deserved to die out.

My experience with Michael Lee4 shows someone who can hold a perfectly normal conversation right up until someone presents a solid argument or proves him wrong. Once that happens, the insults start—subtle in a DM, or blatant through deleting posts and handing out warnings. It’s the classic double standard: I call someone an idiot and get a warning, but he calls someone a MORON and gets a pass. And it’s not a one-off thing; it’s chronic, like bronchitis.

That aforementioned game of guessing cars was shut down abruptly and autocratically, without any prior warning. It was bottom-tier moderation. Thank God that out of a dozen or so posts, I managed to nail half of them on other PFs. I've dealt with other moderators before, and their style isn't anywhere near this. I honestly don't know how to describe this level of moderation without resorting to insults or getting a warning myself. Besides, I have no desire to stoop to Michael Lee4's level or give him the satisfaction of handing me a warning or a ban.

I also think a moderator should be able to tell the difference between a new user who’s just struggling to navigate the forum waters and a clone or troll who's specifically here to flame people and cause trouble. The former needs some gentle guidance, not to be immediately met with all guns blazing and handed a ban from the PF.

Real life is serious and difficult enough for all of us; we come here for information and a bit of relaxation and banter. But how are you supposed to relax when you're waiting around wondering if Michael Lee4 is going to jump out from around a corner with a red or yellow card? For God's sake, if this were soccer, fans would have torn him to shreds by halftime...

I know Michael Lee4 will probably start making excuses now through jokes, sarcasm, and provocations—but honestly, his chosen avatar says more about him and his ego than anything else.

I’ll also touch on that Lupo topic and those lukewarm apologies from Michael Lee4 about not being able to make it—look, I don't care if you couldn't make it, but you seem to find time for everything else, and that topic was bumped to the top of the PF for over seven days. Cj7 deserved at least a three-day ban for openly insulting forum members, but he DIDN'T GET ONE. He deserved the topic to be locked, but YOU only did that once the anti-comments reached massive proportions. Honestly, that topic probably would still be at the top right now if you had acted sooner.

I won't call you a shill for certain car brands or a journalist or any of those other nonsense labels, because I know that isn't true. You're simply incapable of being a quality moderator for this PF.

But the fact remains: based on your reactions, it looks like you blindly support one specific brand while refusing to allow any comparisons with other brands regarding design, price, quality, etc., always following up with that weak explanation that "this topic isn't for that." For crying out loud, where are we supposed to discuss it then? On a cooking forum?

This, like any other PF, should be a place where people can't wait to visit to read something new and have a laugh, provided it doesn't cross the line into insults. It shouldn't be a chore to check in.

Michael Lee4—you said yourself that you don't need this moderation in your life and that things would be easier without it, SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST STEP DOWN?

Also, I'm curious why the poll isn't public so we can see how everyone voted.

That's all from me for now. There's a lot on my mind, and maybe it's not perfectly polished, but if I think of anything else, I'll write it down.

I’ll ask you again: go back through my posts and find any proof for those claims. It would be pretty weird if I were biased toward certain brands when I don't even work for the two or three major players on the market. I’ve been doing the same job for ten years, and it has zero to do with cars.

I’ve commented on design plenty of times, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The issue is when people start critiquing someone else's taste. That inevitably leads to bickering, then full-blown fights, and eventually just straight-up swearing once a bunch of random forum trolls jump in to stir the pot. That’s exactly why I try to shut those arguments down immediately. If someone can't wrap their head around that and thinks I'm just attacking their favorite brand, I honestly can't help them.

Anthony Lopez5 said:Here’s my take on this thread, which I’d probably have started myself if I were one of the old-school members here.

Look, I think it's obvious to all of us that being a moderator comes with a massive amount of responsibility alongside the power you gain. You have to handle it responsibly and impartially—at least most of the time.

But let's be real: the way Michael Lee4 demonstrates his power through his moderation, his sarcasm, and the constant—both overt and subtle—mocking and insulting of users who don't fall in line, is definitely not a textbook example of good leadership.

Let me explain why I say that...

Our local "love him or hate him" figurehead has proven time and again that his actions are driven by pure ego. Honestly, it’s gotten to the point where I can’t tell if we’re dealing with Michael Lee4’s ego or if the ego itself has become its own entity.

I’ll look back at things over the last three years or so...

Back on the car boards, some troll using a handle like Rionero would start a "BMW vs. Mercedes" thread. What began as a total troll thread turned into a virtual hangout for many of us. We'd discuss everything vaguely related to PF, but genuine friendships formed there—offline, of course (to the extent that I actually spent my vacation this year staying with User and partying with User and User). It was all built on banter and casual conversation. Naturally, the popularity and post count grew because of it. If I remember correctly, Michael Lee4 wasn't a mod when the thread started, but he became one later. Basically, during that era, there was very little off-topic chatter elsewhere because everything centered on that one thread, making it the perfect digital lounge.

If you click the link to that thread and read even just the first 10 or 20 pages, you’ll be laughing your head off—and pay close attention to who wrote the very first post after the OP:

Of course, the main roadblock was Michael Lee4. He used to complain about us on other threads regarding that specific discussion. Even if he didn't delete those posts, I really don't have the energy to spend hours digging through archives to prove what he'll just deny anyway—not to mention he called me mentally unstable in a private message.

Then, once Michael Lee4 felt sufficiently empowered by his mod tools, one day the thread just vanished. It disappeared as if it never existed, without any warning or explanation. That was my first real glimpse of his character, which is ultimately the biggest stumbling block and the reason people are calling for a change in leadership.

It wasn't until about a month ago that I received a blunt, baseless explanation via DM: "there's no room for chat on the car boards." I don't buy that for a second. Productive conversations can come from anywhere, including a chat thread.

Anyway, the thread was dumped into the off-topic section—which is a tier below the recycling bin—and predictably fell into oblivion since it was technically part of the automotive PF. I honestly suspect this was a calculated move to make it look like the topic wasn't popular and deserved to die out.

My experience with Michael Lee4 shows someone who can hold a perfectly normal conversation right up until someone presents a solid argument or proves him wrong. Once that happens, the insults start—subtle in a DM, or blatant through deleting posts and handing out warnings. It’s the classic double standard: I call someone an idiot and get a warning, but he calls someone a MORON and gets a pass. And it’s not a one-off thing; it’s chronic, like bronchitis.

That aforementioned game of guessing cars was shut down abruptly and autocratically, without any prior warning. It was bottom-tier moderation. Thank God that out of a dozen or so posts, I managed to nail half of them on other PFs. I've dealt with other moderators before, and their style isn't anywhere near this. I honestly don't know how to describe this level of moderation without resorting to insults or getting a warning myself. Besides, I have no desire to stoop to Michael Lee4's level or give him the satisfaction of handing me a warning or a ban.

I also think a moderator should be able to tell the difference between a new user who’s just struggling to navigate the forum waters and a clone or troll who's specifically here to flame people and cause trouble. The former needs some gentle guidance, not to be immediately met with all guns blazing and handed a ban from the PF.

Real life is serious and difficult enough for all of us; we come here for information and a bit of relaxation and banter. But how are you supposed to relax when you're waiting around wondering if Michael Lee4 is going to jump out from around a corner with a red or yellow card? For God's sake, if this were soccer, fans would have torn him to shreds by halftime...

I know Michael Lee4 will probably start making excuses now through jokes, sarcasm, and provocations—but honestly, his chosen avatar says more about him and his ego than anything else.

I’ll also touch on that Lupo topic and those lukewarm apologies from Michael Lee4 about not being able to make it—look, I don't care if you couldn't make it, but you seem to find time for everything else, and that topic was bumped to the top of the PF for over seven days. Cj7 deserved at least a three-day ban for openly insulting forum members, but he DIDN'T GET ONE. He deserved the topic to be locked, but YOU only did that once the anti-comments reached massive proportions. Honestly, that topic probably would still be at the top right now if you had acted sooner.

I won't call you a shill for certain car brands or a journalist or any of those other nonsense labels, because I know that isn't true. You're simply incapable of being a quality moderator for this PF.

But the fact remains: based on your reactions, it looks like you blindly support one specific brand while refusing to allow any comparisons with other brands regarding design, price, quality, etc., always following up with that weak explanation that "this topic isn't for that." For crying out loud, where are we supposed to discuss it then? On a cooking forum?

This, like any other PF, should be a place where people can't wait to visit to read something new and have a laugh, provided it doesn't cross the line into insults. It shouldn't be a chore to check in.

Michael Lee4—you said yourself that you don't need this moderation in your life and that things would be easier without it, SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST STEP DOWN?

Also, I'm curious why the poll isn't public so we can see how everyone voted.

That's all from me for now. There's a lot on my mind, and maybe it's not perfectly polished, but if I think of anything else, I'll write it down.

I’m too attached to this forum to leave over nonsense like this. If the majority decides (and I know who I'm talking about) that it's time for me to go, then I'll leave—at which point I won't need moderation anyway. But as long as I have to deal with trolls and idiots, I'm fine staying.

The poll isn't public because I didn't set it up. Ask the author. My guess is it's to prevent people from just signing up repeatedly to skew the results. I'm not saying that's the reason, but it's probably not as big a deal as everyone is making it.

No clue how long this thread will last. Things move slow because a few people feel the need to repeat themselves constantly, which brings me back to my original doubt: whether someone is just being provocative or if there's something actually wrong "under the hood." 🤷

coppernomad28 said:Why are you so obsessed with forcing jokes, sarcasm, and random chatter away from car topics? Why does all that stuff have to be shoved into some separate little box?
What, are we all robots now? If you actually think you're some kind of perfect forum moderator, man, you're dead wrong.

And what kid are you even watching Top Gear for? It's not exactly high-brow serious stuff anyway....☕

Because before I got here, this place was a disaster—a total mess, just a pile of garbage... and I was brought in to fix it. Look, if I managed to "survive" my first month after nuking three chat threads despite all the heat people gave me, and now those same people are laughing with me instead of at me, that's enough for me. If a "kid" like Giga figured things out at 19, and people twice his age still can't grasp them, there isn't much else I can say... and no, I'm not a perfect user; nobody is.

Noah Perez9 said:Wait, what exactly is the issue now? You were the one asking for this to be started, and now someone actually went ahead and did it...

My explanation is pretty much the same as his, and frankly, I find you just as much of a jerk as the names you throw at other users—calling them idiots and all sorts of other things. I’ve been seeing it for months now: you are incredibly blind to what's happening. It's like watching a horse wearing blinkers so someone else can steer it. You don't apply rules equally to everyone; you act like a complete anti-moderator, and it isn't surprising that a huge crowd of people is fed up with you.

You spend a massive amount of time moderating things that shouldn't even be touched, yet when you actually need to show up where it matters, you're gone for days... claiming you "didn't see it" or that "someone else should have reported it"... meanwhile, your own insults fester for days and you don't even notice...

Back when that thread about the little VW powerhouse was titled that way, people could talk about Volkswagen as if it were God itself. But the moment someone mentions a Clio or any other "junk" cars, suddenly it's all bad—service is too expensive, the cars aren't good enough—and those are usually just Michael Lee4's words...

The whole point of a forum is the exchange of ideas. If things get a little wild in the Off-Topic section, it shouldn't be an issue, except on these specific pages and only for certain users, which is obvious to anyone watching. There are piles of quoted posts with repeated images and nobody says a word, yet when I first showed up, I didn't even know it was against the rules and I immediately got hit with warnings...

It doesn't matter whether there's a shift change for Michael Lee4 or if there's a better or worse moderator; on the few sub-forums I visit here, he is definitely the worst, most unpleasant, and most disrespectful... honestly, looking at that signature under his name is just pure trash... written in all caps...

Problems aren't solved by talking about what kind of oil someone uses or how tall they are, which is what I was reading today; problems are solved through actual action...

What we used to bring to the table—the photos we shared to connect, the information we exchanged—that's what bothered him. We were people coming to this forum to be heard, spending our time hanging out over a shared interest... not to insult each other, argue, or trade barbs... but Michael Lee4 was right there to ruin it, because clearly, he's a moderator who isn't as unhinged by conflict as the others...

Unlike many people here, I tend to drive a variety of different cars, so I don't have to ask the endless stream of silly questions that get posted here every single day...

But those silly questions are exactly what makes a forum what it is: the jokes, the banter, and everything else... none of which is possible with Michael Lee4 around.

If someone is insulting someone else, I understand why action is taken. If someone is swearing, making false accusations, or inventing events—a moderator should step in early. But look at that thread with User; there was no moderator for days. That guy was messing with people for days, leading them on, and someone intentionally let it happen...

And I know that if Michael Lee4 stays, there are going to be countless more warnings handed out, but it doesn't matter... he's just that kind of person, and it's clear as day in this response...

The real question is how long they'll keep this open... an hour, two, or maybe a day or two? I wouldn't be surprised if he nudges his crew to jump in so ten extra voices chime in just to get the thread locked...

So that's it from me; you can spit all you want now... I'm standing with coppernomad28.

And to Michael Lee4, I'll say it straight, just like I told you in your private messages: I User every single night, and I don't need to waste my time obsessing over this forum...

You realize you're obsessed with VW, right? Before my words blow up, maybe try reading them carefully again, because clearly, reading isn't your strong suit.

Noah Perez9 said:Wait, what exactly is the issue now? You were the one asking for this to be started, and now someone actually went ahead and did it...

My explanation is pretty much the same as his, and frankly, I find you just as much of a jerk as the names you throw at other users—calling them idiots and all sorts of other things. I’ve been seeing it for months now: you are incredibly blind to what's happening. It's like watching a horse wearing blinkers so someone else can steer it. You don't apply rules equally to everyone; you act like a complete anti-moderator, and it isn't surprising that a huge crowd of people is fed up with you.

You spend a massive amount of time moderating things that shouldn't even be touched, yet when you actually need to show up where it matters, you're gone for days... claiming you "didn't see it" or that "someone else should have reported it"... meanwhile, your own insults fester for days and you don't even notice...

Back when that thread about the little VW powerhouse was titled that way, people could talk about Volkswagen as if it were God itself. But the moment someone mentions a Clio or any other "junk" cars, suddenly it's all bad—service is too expensive, the cars aren't good enough—and those are usually just Michael Lee4's words...

The whole point of a forum is the exchange of ideas. If things get a little wild in the Off-Topic section, it shouldn't be an issue, except on these specific pages and only for certain users, which is obvious to anyone watching. There are piles of quoted posts with repeated images and nobody says a word, yet when I first showed up, I didn't even know it was against the rules and I immediately got hit with warnings...

It doesn't matter whether there's a shift change for Michael Lee4 or if there's a better or worse moderator; on the few sub-forums I visit here, he is definitely the worst, most unpleasant, and most disrespectful... honestly, looking at that signature under his name is just pure trash... written in all caps...

Problems aren't solved by talking about what kind of oil someone uses or how tall they are, which is what I was reading today; problems are solved through actual action...

What we used to bring to the table—the photos we shared to connect, the information we exchanged—that's what bothered him. We were people coming to this forum to be heard, spending our time hanging out over a shared interest... not to insult each other, argue, or trade barbs... but Michael Lee4 was right there to ruin it, because clearly, he's a moderator who isn't as unhinged by conflict as the others...

Unlike many people here, I tend to drive a variety of different cars, so I don't have to ask the endless stream of silly questions that get posted here every single day...

But those silly questions are exactly what makes a forum what it is: the jokes, the banter, and everything else... none of which is possible with Michael Lee4 around.

If someone is insulting someone else, I understand why action is taken. If someone is swearing, making false accusations, or inventing events—a moderator should step in early. But look at that thread with User; there was no moderator for days. That guy was messing with people for days, leading them on, and someone intentionally let it happen...

And I know that if Michael Lee4 stays, there are going to be countless more warnings handed out, but it doesn't matter... he's just that kind of person, and it's clear as day in this response...

The real question is how long they'll keep this open... an hour, two, or maybe a day or two? I wouldn't be surprised if he nudges his crew to jump in so ten extra voices chime in just to get the thread locked...

So that's it from me; you can spit all you want now... I'm standing with coppernomad28.

And to Michael Lee4, I'll say it straight, just like I told you in your private messages: I User every single night, and I don't need to waste my time obsessing over this forum...

If I've said five times now that I didn't enter that thread until I saw you guys mentioning it on the Honda forum, then I didn't enter it until then. I don't know what part of that is confusing. Just like I don't understand why I have to repeat myself for the sixth time. Like I've already said multiple times, I don't watch every single thread because nobody has that kind of time—though you forum users apparently do. I'll say it again: use the report button. If you had just hit that instead of bickering with cj7, this whole thing would be over.

So now, after explaining this to you so many times, I have to wonder: are you trying to provoke me, or is something else just not clicking?

Noah Perez9 said:Wait, what exactly is the issue now? You were the one asking for this to be started, and now someone actually went ahead and did it...

My explanation is pretty much the same as his, and frankly, I find you just as much of a jerk as the names you throw at other users—calling them idiots and all sorts of other things. I’ve been seeing it for months now: you are incredibly blind to what's happening. It's like watching a horse wearing blinkers so someone else can steer it. You don't apply rules equally to everyone; you act like a complete anti-moderator, and it isn't surprising that a huge crowd of people is fed up with you.

You spend a massive amount of time moderating things that shouldn't even be touched, yet when you actually need to show up where it matters, you're gone for days... claiming you "didn't see it" or that "someone else should have reported it"... meanwhile, your own insults fester for days and you don't even notice...

Back when that thread about the little VW powerhouse was titled that way, people could talk about Volkswagen as if it were God itself. But the moment someone mentions a Clio or any other "junk" cars, suddenly it's all bad—service is too expensive, the cars aren't good enough—and those are usually just Michael Lee4's words...

The whole point of a forum is the exchange of ideas. If things get a little wild in the Off-Topic section, it shouldn't be an issue, except on these specific pages and only for certain users, which is obvious to anyone watching. There are piles of quoted posts with repeated images and nobody says a word, yet when I first showed up, I didn't even know it was against the rules and I immediately got hit with warnings...

It doesn't matter whether there's a shift change for Michael Lee4 or if there's a better or worse moderator; on the few sub-forums I visit here, he is definitely the worst, most unpleasant, and most disrespectful... honestly, looking at that signature under his name is just pure trash... written in all caps...

Problems aren't solved by talking about what kind of oil someone uses or how tall they are, which is what I was reading today; problems are solved through actual action...

What we used to bring to the table—the photos we shared to connect, the information we exchanged—that's what bothered him. We were people coming to this forum to be heard, spending our time hanging out over a shared interest... not to insult each other, argue, or trade barbs... but Michael Lee4 was right there to ruin it, because clearly, he's a moderator who isn't as unhinged by conflict as the others...

Unlike many people here, I tend to drive a variety of different cars, so I don't have to ask the endless stream of silly questions that get posted here every single day...

But those silly questions are exactly what makes a forum what it is: the jokes, the banter, and everything else... none of which is possible with Michael Lee4 around.

If someone is insulting someone else, I understand why action is taken. If someone is swearing, making false accusations, or inventing events—a moderator should step in early. But look at that thread with User; there was no moderator for days. That guy was messing with people for days, leading them on, and someone intentionally let it happen...

And I know that if Michael Lee4 stays, there are going to be countless more warnings handed out, but it doesn't matter... he's just that kind of person, and it's clear as day in this response...

The real question is how long they'll keep this open... an hour, two, or maybe a day or two? I wouldn't be surprised if he nudges his crew to jump in so ten extra voices chime in just to get the thread locked...

So that's it from me; you can spit all you want now... I'm standing with coppernomad28.

And to Michael Lee4, I'll say it straight, just like I told you in your private messages: I User every single night, and I don't need to waste my time obsessing over this forum...

If I've been "begging" you for a month to reopen this, I definitely have no intention of closing it. I want people to share their opinions so I can respond. Honestly, I think once even the people who can't stand me read how many times I have to repeat myself, it'll become pretty clear where everyone stands in this situation.

As for rallying "my" crew to vote? Like I said, those poll results don't mean much since anyone can jump in...

Listen, my dear Noah Perez9, listen... I'm not afraid of words. I know how to write and how to answer questions. The only issue I see here is that you aren't reading what I write. Whether it's intentional or accidental, I'm not sure which is more tragic.

Noah Perez9 said:It isn't a Polo; we are talking about Passat values reaching 45,000 dollars...

But you wandered off into Off-Topic... which isn't even the subject of this thread...

The real subject here is you—your arrogance, your conceit, and your sheer idiocy. It’s a rarity that people realize Grace Turner is a moderator... and it’s equally rare that people know the moderators on Tourism are Air Canada, but everyone respects them. They carry themselves with dignity, they speak normally with everyone, and they deserve nothing but respect...

It’s not off-topic if you’ve already repeated it here and on other forums multiple times. I’ve explained the "how" and "why" to you both publicly and in private several times now.

If you’re still forcing this on me despite all my explanations, I can only assume one of two things: you're trying to provoke me, or there's something wrong with you.

Because, again, I can't wrap my head around how you can have something explained to you ten times, and instead of understanding it, you just completely ignore it.

Same goes for everything else—I’ve told you guys countless times: if you want to joke around, go to the jokes section; if you want to mess around, hit the men's corner; if you just want to chat, go to Off-Topic... someone comes here looking for actual answers, and it's up to you whether you choose to give them one.

I've said all this a million times in various posts and private messages to some of you... so, are you just trying to get a rise out of me, or is there actually something else going on?

coppernomad28 said:

Michael Lee4 Asks:
Look, honestly, I could just go on a power trip, handing out bans like candy, tossing red cards around, and wiping everything clean whenever I felt like it—but that’s just not my style. I can't stand working like that. Just imagine how messy things would get if I actually did, and how many people would end up exactly like this. 😁

Man, you really missed the mark on that one. You completely whiffed.

That's it. That's the whole thing. bit Man, these polls... you really do this all the time, don't you?

Regarding that poll closing... honestly, I think you should just leave it open for the full 20 days, or let it just die out on its own. If you shut it down early, you're just going to have everyone breathing down your neck, complaining that you didn't give everyone a fair shot to weigh in. It’s a headache waiting to happen.

The poll is completely irrelevant; what actually matters is who’s talking and what they’re saying. You should realize that a poll on Reddit is pointless since anyone can just make an account and click whatever they want. Is that clear enough for you?

coppernomad28 said:Just another classic case of condescension and being totally closed off... which is exactly why you clearly aren't grasping why we're all constantly questioning your moderation style.

"Blah blah blah"?!.......Honestly, that's the last time I saw a response like that, and it was in a preschooler's playground.

So you only caught the "blah blah blah" part of my post? You’re completely missing how weird the reasons are that Noah Perez9 keeps hounding me on Reddit. Like, does only the "blah blah blah" matter? Are his ramblings and my invitation to just lay it all out right here totally irrelevant?

Noah Rivera5 said:I don't plan on voting since I’m pretty indifferent toward Stinger. But honestly, I think he’d do a much better job if he took a page out of his colleagues' books; take Grace Turner, for example, who stays completely under the radar for me. She just handles business when necessary and moves on, without all the unnecessary bickering, insults, or trying to force her opinion on everyone. I guess Stinger acts more like one of us forum users than someone who's actually supposed to be overseeing the situation.

That's exactly why I talked Grace Turner into joining me on this job.

coppernomad28 said:Well, if that happens, just go ahead and disqualify them.

On the flip side, since Michael Lee4 has been around here forever, is it even possible he's got a bunch of clones running around? 🤷?
Look, I'm a guy with actual integrity; I stand by everything I write. I don't need games, I don't need clones, none of that stuff.
It's just the arrogance, the sheer ego, the unfairness, and the constant insults that get under my skin.

Since this place started, those two haven't posted a single thing without using a different account.

coppernomad28 said:Michael Lee4 isn't the only moderator, but he's definitely the one in the spotlight—and not just because of how things are measured in this subforum.
Grace Turner joined us just a little bit ago, too.

Michael Lee4 and Grace Turner are basically the only active moderators right now. Setra is technically here, but rarely shows up, and little User has been MIA for ages... Grace has been slammed with private work lately, but even then, she jumps in to handle what I can't get to. And as much as Grace and I might differ on things, we pretty much think the same way overall...

@Noah Perez9

blablabla... seriously, just post all the PMs between us because I am definitely not explaining this whole thing from scratch. Like I said, you're a lost cause. Someone who keeps getting three strikes in a row for the exact same thing, and then gets a fourth for that same reason? It’s no surprise his chat history got wiped on the new models, just like how that guy's Polo burns a quart of oil every 1865 miles... he still hasn't figured it out... and he still can't seem to read what's actually written, just stubbornly repeating the same thing over and over like a parrot...

Grace Turner said:Not yet. Let people keep voting for a bit so we can wrap this one up too.

Buddy, you don't even have a vote 😁

What am I even supposed to say to someone who drops 1,500 posts of just pictures in three months? 😁

That conversation you took personally was really about how you guys turned car guessing into the main topic, flooding the feed with camping photos, car reviews, and non-stop quoting of images...

Don't try to take my "insult" out of context... just quote the full sentence or sentences where those words actually show up.

As for me "not having time" to moderate the forum... do you honestly think any moderator on this site has the time to read every single thing? That’s why the report button (those little triangles under the avatars) exists—so you users can flag issues when you run into them.

Samuel Palmer10 said:Just lock this nonsense down already...
Some of you guys have closed much more reasonable threads right on time, or maybe even earlier.

Don't go there... I'll end up looking like I'm defending democracy for them (even though I was the one who suggested they start this). Then later, when they hand out bans for some stupid reason, people will act like I should be treated like a saint because of this.😁

Jessica Thompson3 said:Personally, I think Mr. Stinger has much better things to do with his time: http://reddit.com/r/thread/489167 😁

Here’s an example of how things shouldn't be done... just report the post instead of dropping links in random topics. Imagine if I hadn't stumbled onto this thread by accident. 😁

Just so you know how many people like that show up every single day—you don't see them because they get deleted. 🤦 Honestly, I’m so bored with my life right now that I actually went through the trouble of setting up an email just to come hang out on Reddit. 😁 The funniest part is how people obsessively post just to keep the thread at the top. 🙏

Dennis Carter9 said:When you report a post for being indecent, does it just go through as a report, or do you actually have to write down the reasons?😕

It's probably better to include a reason so they can deal with it faster...

Obviously, there's no point reporting every single stupid thing—like someone baiting you into an argument and then crying when things get heated. Besides, once you report it, one of the mods will see it eventually...

Morgan Scott3 said:Poll or no poll, I went ahead and cast my vote regardless. In my view, Mr. Stinger is doing an excellent job maintaining order within this subforum. If anything, he might occasionally take just a touch too long to scrub away some of the trolls that pop up here 😬

Now, let’s be perfectly clear—I’ve taken an infraction myself once for some heavy off-topic rambling... and honestly, maybe it was for the best, because I ended up acting like a complete troll (and it wasn't even a particularly good day, so I suppose my nerves were a bit frayed 😁). Besides, I could have easily dragged five more trolls into causing chaos on that thread 😬

At any rate, personally, I don't see any compelling reason why he should be replaced. Although, I do think it would be much cooler if he engaged with the trolls a little less publicly (similar to what happened with those new arrivals—those trolls who were supposedly kicked off the Honda forum)

The only reason I want to put this whole thing to bed once and for all is because I definitely don't need to spend my free time every single day dealing with people who clearly have nothing better to do with their lives. Whether I'm telling them to back off or just cleaning up their nonsense.

Technically, I could just hand out bans and delete everything without saying a word, but I’m not really into that style of management. Just imagine how much worse things would get and how many more of these people there'd be. 😁

coppernomad28 said:Thanks for the reply!

I totally agree with your point. The only thing that gets under my skin is how abrasive this one moderator is with his attitude—it's honestly the only thing I even notice. Someone in that position really shouldn't be acting at that level.

Why doesn't this happen on the other forums I visit?

People who just won't shut up... I've already written about this, but apparently, you didn't read it...

Look, I'm not the type to tell someone "don't do that" ten times in a row. If I have to tell you ten times, then no matter how dictatorial it sounds, there's nothing left to discuss. If I say it for the tenth time and imply even an idiot would get it, you shouldn't be offended. You're throwing a tantrum over one warning and a temporary thread lock because you broke the rules, acting like a total child. You're 40 years old? And since then, you've been stalking me across the site, waiting for anyone else to bark at me just so you can jump in? What did you even do with those 40 years of your life? If you were a kid, I might get it...

Samuel Palmer10 said:I couldn't care less about Stinger, you, or the moderator...
Anyway, shouldn't this be in the complaints section instead of the automobiles category?
And shouldn't you have reached out to the administrators first?

Nah, I played the "dictator" role by telling everyone if they aren't happy, speak up and let's see what happens. Naturally, I asked for the real veterans to step forward, not the ones whining because they got a warning...

If people don't want me here, I'm out. I'm not on the payroll, and I don't get any perks for being a "moderator."

And User, don't be like them—stop spamming this thread and flooding my inbox with reports. 😁

mistybear87 said:mom's strike😠

Give him a red card😁

Hey, losers... we’re less than three days out from the next race and there isn't even a new thread open yet?!

What are we waiting for?

Here we go right back to square one

Why the hell are they letting this idiot back on the track? This has gotta be his last race 🙂

It’s gonna be a wild ride until the finish line 😁