Posts by William Martin42

Nathan Foster23 said:Just file a lawsuit against all the news outlets; every single one of them ran the story and trashed the group.

So you think if someone gets dragged through the mud with nothing but slander and zero proof, they should just sue?

Yeah, I'm on board with that.

John Martin18 said:Boy, I honestly can't tell if you're just acting provocatively indifferent or if that's just how you were born (no offense...), but yeah, obviously soccer isn't the most pressing issue in this absolute joke of a country—if we're using that analogy—but where else are we gonna talk about soccer if not on a fan forum? Like, seriously... who else is even talking about the game when everything just revolves around Mamić. Raspa:
(and look, we shouldn't exactly jump from a fan forum straight into deep philosophy🤣)
And what was your point there?... because from what I can see, you're stubbornly clinging to some neutral stance that you probably don't even need.
And which idiot posted this clip... honestly, they must have just messed up, because no sane person would be walking around in a jacket and a t-shirt, sweating through their clothes in the middle of a summer heatwave... and for what purpose, goddamn idiots? Was it that site Index again?😍

So here I am, a Dynamo fan for decades now, someone who used to stay up all night or go through whatever rituals necessary to stay positive before big games, and suddenly today I catch myself casually watching the match in a cafe while playing cards with the guys(just glancing at the screen occasionally)—that's how much they've killed my passion and pushed me away from the club... bit by bit, month after month, year after year... and I'm actually afraid I won't live to see the day when I can proudly identify with them like I used to back in the day... maybe it's just a generational shift, maybe that's just how it goes... but watching the game with a group of guys who don't know a damn thing about Mamić, I'm still glad we crushed them (man, it makes my skin crawl just thinking about all those players we sold off). "Oh, there won't be any more selling, I promise you..." (you know damn well I'm lying)...

That's fine...
maybe you've just grown up and realized that soccer, Dynamo, and Mamić aren't the most important things in life...

feenian said:We’re living in a country where people obsess over some graffiti on a wall like it’s the end of the world...
Look, I'm not saying vandalism is fine—I'd be pissed if someone tagged my house too—but you can't fix deep-seated societal rot just by scrubbing walls, and sanctioning some spray paint isn't going to solve actual deviant behavior in this country...

What actually bugs me is whose pockets are being lined with the tax dollars the government keeps squeezing out of me and how they choose to blow that money...

And honestly, if we're using that logic, soccer isn't even the biggest issue facing this nation either.

Sam Hall45 said:But they didn't boo the other insults thrown at him or the other
songs about him and his brother. ☕

That's because those other insults don't fall under UEFA's jurisdiction... though I definitely heard people booing that stuff at games back before UEFA started handing out penalties for racial slurs.

Like I said, neither side has any real public backing because even though the BBB fight for what matters—like taking down the corruption at Real Madrid—they constantly use tactics that just turn people off, plus let's be honest, the BBB have their own massive issues which is why the public doesn't trust them...

I’d bet anything that according to the polls, even the BBB doesn't have any real support in this city...

Honestly, I don't even need a poll to tell me that, because you could clearly see it on Tuesday when the vast majority of people at the stadium were booing the BBB and shouting "Jerry Jones is a crook."
If the BBB actually had public backing, other fans would’ve walked out of the stadium in solidarity to protest both Jerry Jones and the unfair disqualification of the BBB from the tournament.

The reality is that neither side has any real support left, and the public has a massive problem with both Jerry Jones and the BBB.
As much as it hurts you to hear it, that's just the cold, hard truth, and it's the direct result of all the mistakes you've made in the past and recently.

That’s why I told you guys to be smart and tactical—don't go handing your opponents ammunition to mock you with, whether it's the riots, the flares, fans turning on their own team, or even trying to get your own club kicked out of European competition...

And honestly, it’s just a brainless move to turn on your own team just because you've got a grudge against the owner; all you're doing is making us look pathetic...

Kyle Davis5 said:I wasn't saying we should have actually done anything stupid... they would've just slaughtered us, the cops and the media included. I was just pointing out that pretty soon there won't even be any opposition at the stadium because they'll have all of us blacklisted or slapped with restraining orders.

Look, as much as this seems like a loss, you can flip the script on them easily if you're smart and play it cunningly... honestly, handing out bans over something this minor is a massive self-inflicted wound on their part, a totalautogol.

For example, I thought it was a genius move when you guys boycotted the varsity squad but still showed up to back the JV and junior teams...
(that thumbs up emoji was meant for the part about backing the juniors so you don't think I'm tripping)

Kyle Davis5 said:most of them are gonna get banned.. and that blacklist will probably just keep growing...

now just imagine if they hadn't acted like that, like if they actually put up a fight or caused some kind of chaos around the stadium or inside it?
would they have even gained anything, or would they've just done themselves a massive disservice?

Jesse Campbell said:Mamić doesn't have any public support whatsoever. That's just nonsense. If you look at any poll, he's incredibly hated...

Then there's those few thousand paupers who show up during the summer on free tickets, but generally speaking, nobody gives a damn about him...

That’s true, but the reality is that even the hardcore fan groups don't have public backing, no matter how much you struggle to accept that fact...

But like I already said, what happened yesterday was actually a decent move—just a quiet exit without all the drama, flares, or throwing trash on the field—which really flips the script in your favor.

Thomas Doyle19 said:you smartasses better just sit tight while Mamić, Linić, and the rest of that trash screw everything over, so you can spend the next ten years regretting it when it’s too late. that's why the Bad Boys are basically our entire universe right now, because they actually get that we have to act now instead of waiting until we're drowning and there's no way out. but who am I even talking to, you and all those peacekeepers who probably want to solve things with olive branches like Mamić is some kind of saint? the guy is a total badass and he says it to everyone's face without blinking, and I didn't see you or any of you other "concerned citizens" acting tough or calling the cops back then, claiming it was unnecessary. personally, I think this whole corrupt country needs to be torched, not just New York City. I stand by that completely, so let them come for me if they want. one thing is certain, Mamić isn't going to face a damn thing because he's "above the law," which is why everyone deserves to get screwed—from the FBI to Dinamo to all these institutions that don't do their jobs, because if they actually did, the fans and the Bad Boys wouldn't have to do their work for them.

as far as the public goes, I honestly admire the optimists who haven't realized yet that you can never win over this mindless crowd for the fight and the goals we have, since we aren't even on the same wavelength; what matters to us doesn't matter more to them than the dirt under their fingernails. trying to bring people like that over to our side is impossible, making them understand or join the fight against Mamić is even harder, and frankly, I don't even know what we're hoping for anymore. I'm done with these empty heads who can't see past their own noses, because in a few years, the same people sending cops at us will be sending them at them, they're just too stupid to realize it. whatever, we deserve it if we can't think for ourselves, so let everyone from Mamić to the big shots in DC screw us over. clearly, we're no better than those idiots.

I hear what you're saying...
but expecting the whole city or the entire country to rise up is just an illusion (unfortunately), and here is why:
just look at how many people showed up for those protests against the government in different cities and it'll make sense to you...if people didn't rise up then, you can bet they won't now when it's about a football club (people just don't give a damn about some club)

that was always the real method, leaving quietly instead of meeting force with force, because that's exactly what they want—to paint you as savages destroying stadiums, cities, and property.

my honest advice to you is: don't give them any ammunition to use against you or to portray you as a destructive horde looking for chaos wherever you go.

what happened yesterday was a direct hit.

Jeffrey Jones58 said:Exactly, I didn't want to say anything earlier just to avoid looking like I was poking the bear. The real issue here is how much the average Real Madrid fan—you know, the masses—just doesn't give a damn about what's actually happening behind the scenes at the club. It would be pretty eye-opening to run a poll in some major US city about club loyalty, because if you ask me, about 60% of people couldn't care less who's pulling the strings or who sits on the board, as long as Real Madrid plays well, pulls decent transfers, and they can win a parlay and grab a beer. To those folks, any fans complaining are just uneducated idiots and nuisances because they're getting in the way of someone watching the game from their backyard while grilling and chilling with a cold one.
I also reckon there’s probably 30% of people, maybe more, who fully back the current setup and the management because of the wins, the cash, the free tickets, the perks, and all that. They'll always fall back on arguments like "let the guy work since he's capable" or "maybe he's skimming off the top, but at least he's doing it for the club," and so on. Only about 10% actually grasp the depth of the issues, and even fewer are actually willing to step up and fight it.
it's pathetic

Of course the general public doesn't really care about the inner workings of clubs because people have actual life problems and real priorities to deal with...

The whole thing comes down to public perception being the trigger for fighting Mamić and guys like him; you need the public to stop seeing Mamić as this successful president running a winning organization, and instead see the fans fighting him as nothing more than thugs who got what was coming to them. That's the key.
And honestly, it's delusional to expect people working ten-hour shifts and providing for their families to waste energy on something as life-irrelevant as a soccer club...

Public support matters, sure, but you can't expect a full-blown revolution where people think they can just burn down all of Chicago because they feel like it... total stupidity.

Jerry Morris2 said:Yeah, because his whole job is protecting people, which means standing up to his own partner if things go south.

Facts,
if one guy is harassing you while the other just stands there watching, they're both responsible for what happens.

but I'm telling you again, don't go painting everyone with the same brush.

Jerry Morris2 said:We can start talking when the first cop actually gets punished for harassing fans, when the brass running that trash gets held accountable, and when the law finally applies to them instead of just us.

It’s not the cop doing his job who’s to blame just because some other idiot on the force is a screw-up and the courts don't give a damn...

Yesterday’s move felt straight out of North Korea,

but honestly, I can't get behind insulting every single officer out there—not all of them are thugs, corrupt, or broken, and most people are just doing their jobs because that's what they were told to do.
Using terms like ACAB is basically asking for trouble since it’s such a massive generalization; I mean, you fans always complain when people lump every supporter together as some hooligan or junkie, right? Sure, those types exist, but they aren't everyone, and the vast majority are decent people, much like how most cops are honest workers instead of maniacs.

Jerry Morris2 said:I’m totally with you on this. When we were in Chicago, Indianapolis, back on January 1st, and even during every trip since—including when we hit Milwaukee after the game—we always stood our ground. But you have to realize that for today, half the leadership wasn't there, half the first squad was missing, and the few of us who actually made it through the gates just did the best we could with the crowd we had. When your whole section is only 20 or 30 people, and then you divide that by two because half of them are going to freeze up, and then you divide that by two again because half of us are under 20 and haven't even felt a nightstick yet, you end up with a pathetic number of guys actually left standing. Honestly, playing it this way might be the smartest move because it makes it look like the entire sector is getting penalized, while some guys end up banned just for "verbal offenses." It’s easy to play general after the battle is over.

Look, speaking as just some random neutral fan, I'm telling you that you didn't mess up; if anything, you played it smart. You made a tactical move, and you have to remember that sometimes being clever is better than trying to fight force with force.😉
If you had handled it differently, you would have just handed the opposition ammunition to call you savages or barbarians brawling with the cops.

Sometimes an outsider sees things more realistically and objectively than you lot do from the inside, and they can give you a much clearer picture of what's actually happening.

I’ve never been a fan of those hardcore hooligan groups, especially the ones that cause chaos and trash the streets; seeing people spray-paint slogans all over property is just disgusting to me, and honestly, it feels bizarre when a whole match turns into a vendetta against one specific guy instead of actually rooting for the club,
but what happened today was pure insanity, like, it couldn't have gotten any crazier, having entire sections of the stands sit empty just to chant some basic stuff that you hear at every game everywhere else🙂🙂🙂🙂

I think Jerry Maguire really screwed himself over with this move, and the Bad Boys played it smart by walking out calmly (at least from what I saw, though I don't know if things got messy outside)