Charles Diaz90 said:The first thing you said is pure defeatism. Just because someone has cultivated an image of being "untouchable" doesn't mean it's actually true. In fact, the state itself seems to be cooperating with them, as they haven't taken any steps toward passing new legislation that would limit such exploitation. On the other hand, one has to wonder: why haven't those who are close to the Club and know the truth better than most clueless Americans exerted more pressure for new laws or launched a harder campaign against these thieves?
The fans fought, but during that struggle, the mafia simply found a way to shut them down and push them out of Yankee Stadium. But again, the question remains: how can you rely on the same core group of 100 people for five years without doing anything to expand that circle and mobilize at least 4,000 people (like we saw for the Columbus game after the boycott) to fight against the mafia?
That isn't defeatism; it’s a fact. They are more powerful than the state.
In what other country 🤣 can you spend five years dictatorialy running
an NGO without actually owning it (since you legally can't), while there exists a legitimate fan initiative demanding change (through elections within the NGO) based strictly on the Law of America?
I don't agree with certain methods used by the fans, and I believe some were wrong, but that is their business—they are the ones fighting the battle.
Charles Diaz90 said:Saying "300 factions" is just a figure of speech for the various fan clubs, veteran associations, etc...
The boss founded all of them: the veterans, the American Civil War participant association, and even that recent fan club.
And you keep harping on about "300 factions"—what is the point of that?
Charles Diaz90 said:Jerry Jones was at the helm of the Club back then too, so what do you expect from that kind of management—that they would show solidarity with the guys demanding their resignation? It was all part of a well-orchestrated plan, and innocent people got screwed over. It never happened again!
As you noted, innocent people were caught in the crossfire on Labor Day, not just the "hooligans demanding his resignation."
To me, this is another reason why the Club's leadership should have been changed. They offered zero legal support to their fans, subscribers, or members. They didn't help because, to them, fans are just "the crowd tasked with cheering"—consumers, rather than being an integral PART OF THE CLUB, as they are in normal organizations.
Charles Diaz90 said:if they had focused on those numbers, the battle at Yankee Stadium would have turned out very differently
In my view, the Famous four failed us most significantly here. As the Cowboys' captains and idols to the fans, they should have used their influence to demand that such incidents never happen again once they stepped up to fight.
I completely agree.
If there had been any real effort to mobilize the number of fans who support the Cowboys while simultaneously demanding structural changes within the Club, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
Right now, those four are the only ones capable of rallying a mass of Dinamo fans for a protest or any other movement.
Charles Diaz90 said:I support Indoor soccer as a project, but I won't get behind it until things at 128th Street are finally set right. The initiative itself is solid, but the timing is off. If the same energy being poured into Indoor soccer were invested back into the Cowboys, the results would look entirely different.
Indoor soccer exists because, after years of fighting, things within the Cowboys haven't been corrected, and fans find themselves on "blacklists" when trying to enter Yankee Stadium. At least with Indoor soccer, they can gather and prove they aren't just a small group of anti-team hooligans.
By the way, here is a post from a lifelong Dinamo fan: