Steven Fox37 said:I'm not trivializing anything here. It just seems like anyone who disagrees with you automatically becomes a "trivializer" in your eyes.
By that logic, I could say you're the one trivializing the whole Azov Regiment and similar groups with all this talk about "organic filtering."
Filtering doesn't happen naturally; it happens through pressure.
To claim that Ukrainians sided with the Germans—when Wikipedia suggests the UPA had maybe 20k to 200k members while the Red Army had between 4 to 7 million Ukrainians—is just an extreme stretch.
You’re usually a very logical guy, and I’m not being sarcastic—except for those moments when you refuse to touch certain ideological historical clichés because you become incredibly exclusionary, contradicting everything you normally stand against.
Take this as an example. You bring up Azov to me, but look at mainstream Russia. They aren't exactly fans of Black people, the LGBTQ+ community, atheists, vegans, Muslims, gender theory, or foreigners in general. They don't care for modern pedagogical approaches to upbringing either; they view anyone sensitive or artistic as weak or soft. They prefer ice baths, chopping wood in the middle of nowhere during winter, hitting the gym, and MMA. In fact, they mock the military and strict discipline—all the things you usually poke fun at. But suddenly, when it comes to Azov, you start having doubts.
It’s a bit of a "no shit, Sherlock" moment to point out how the majority within Azov operates, especially since those charging at them head-on share almost identical views. The only real difference is that the latter side digs up old symbols to try and map historical contexts onto today. To nearly the entire Western world, and certainly to mainstream Russia, the whole situation looks Nazi, exclusionary, and regressive.
But the core issue here is how the implementation of a new ideology works through the defamation of opponents, much like the American "cancel culture" rhetoric, which has created all these paradoxes. It’s exactly what we warned about long ago when we said that if you tried to pack half of the "progressive" crowd onto a deserted island, you'd be left with nothing.
So now we find ourselves in this spot where Russians trash Azov, even though they share 99% of the same views. Meanwhile, Russians mock Americans and Englishmen for promoting white identity politics, while the Russians themselves take pride in their own version of it. Yet, they take issue with Ukraine when it tries to find its modern identity through historical symbolism—the very same symbolism the Russians drag to the surface whenever it suits their needs.
In the middle of all these contradictions, which I know you recognize, you're telling me the situation is actually simple and easy to explain?
A Nazi in 1941 is not even remotely the same thing as one in 2022. Today, the real issue is the imposition of an ideology based on what the West defines as "progressive" values.